2020 Democratic Nominee

[bad_teammate 13116]

It's almost like there's only one actually good candidate available...

[Red Five 40574]

Sherrod Brown reminds me of if Uncle Billy ever got his shit together, mostly

The Jevan Snead of politicians.

 

That was meant for maybe a coordinator dammit.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

I’m not a fan of the way a politicians stance on Israel is used in our domestic politics.  It’s such divisive low hanging fruit as far as talking points go.   No one is anti-Israel. 

[Js1 85009]

I like Beto, but woof, running for POTUS requires a bit more than stock "working bipartisanly" and "we'll debate the solutions or have a national discussion."  No one wants to debate or have a discussion. 

That's not the reality of politics anymore.  Mitch McConnell set forth the parameters of "I'm not working with a president of the opposition party, so go fuck yourself."  It is a decent probability we have a Dem President-Dem House-GOP Senate in 2021.  And that Senate is not working bipartisanly with President Beto.

[Chuckie Finster 22571]

28 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m not a fan of the way a politicians stance on Israel is used in our domestic politics.  It’s such divisive low hanging fruit as far as talking points go.   No one is anti-Israel. 

Somehow, Israel has become a more important topic to Evangelical Christians than to most American Jews.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I like Beto, but woof, running for POTUS requires a bit more than stock "working bipartisanly" and "we'll debate the solutions or have a national discussion."  No one wants to debate or have a discussion. 

That's not the reality of politics anymore.  Mitch McConnell set forth the parameters of "I'm not working with a president of the opposition party, so go fuck yourself."  It is a decent probability we have a Dem President-Dem House-GOP Senate in 2021.  And that Senate is not working bipartisanly with President Beto.

In today’s world, I think politicians on the democratic side need to do more to drive national conversations through the media and work harder to platform real experts and scientists on issues instead of responding to the narratives being driven on the right by their army of grifters.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hank Kingsley 20597]

Liberal media continues to snipe at Democratic candidates. See below. Where is Beto suggesting we "ditch" the Constitution? This is gonna be an ugly primary. 

 

 

[Hank Kingsley 20597]

Oh, and look who followed up using the same language. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45439]

What a bunch of fucking morons.  This is why twitter sucks.  Half the people won't read the highlighted text and will just go off the text of the actual tweet.

 

ETA:  the responses to Kevin Robillard are from people who apparently are capable of rational thought.  The responses to the other guy, not so much.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Biff Tannen

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

At this point, ditching the constitution might play better with voters than you think. (On both sides).

[Brisketexan 104239]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What a bunch of fucking morons.  This is why twitter sucks.  Half the people won't read the highlighted text and will just go off the text of the actual tweet.

We are the USSA.  The United Stupid States of America.  We deserve everything we're getting, and everything we're gonna get.  Spread 'em boys, it's only gonna get worse.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

We are the USSA.  The United Stupid States of America.  We deserve everything we're getting, and everything we're gonna get.  Spread 'em boys, it's only gonna get worse.

You spew nothing but vitriol and contempt against the majority of people of this country. How do you square that with the system of government that we have? You should be happy as the Democrats did very well in 2018 midterms and the system we have worked in your favor. Hate will burn you up son.

[Brisketexan 104239]

2 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

You spew nothing but vitriol and contempt against the majority of people of this country. How do you square that with the system of government that we have? You should be happy as the Democrats did very well in 2018 midterms and the system we have worked in your favor. Hate will burn you up son.

Naah.  Keeps me warm.

And my contempt squares perfectly with our system of government.  We don't have direct democracy by idiots.  We have a representative government.  Our reps are supposed to be the wise men and women we elect to represent our interests.  They aren't supposed to be a raw manifestation of our ignorant id.  We expressly opted OUT of government by the mob.  Yet that's exactly what our current government and culture are foisting on us anyway.  The consequences are easy to predict.  And they ain't good.

Oh, and as for your "majority" of people in this country.  Among your many faults, you're shitty at counting, too.  His net approval is around -14%.  Still, his approval shows us that there are a LOT of fucking morons.

 

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Somehow, Israel has become a more important topic to Evangelical Christians than to most American Jews.

Unequivocal support for Israel is probably higher amongst the fundie Evangelicals with their bullshit theology than the typical millennial progressive Jew. You have American millennial Jews disrupting the free Birthright trips because they fail to discuss the Palestinian perspective and occupation. Bitching about a free fucking 10 day trip to their ancestral homeland! I am going in the spring to both Israel and the West Bank and will be traveling and meeting with both Jews and Arabs. I think the young American Jews don’t realize how different the Arab Muslim mindset when it comes to how they view the conflict.

[bad_teammate 13116]

WaPo and NYT are garbage. Always have been. Always will be.

[Bama Chick 28596]

lol at thinking this country is made up of a Trump supporting “majority”.

Y’all may be loud, fat, and tacky and have a minority rule over your shitty party of treason but you’re still only 35% of the country.

And people who disagree with you have tried reason and facts and logic but y’all are beyond all help. Everything is fake news and alternative facts.

Quite frankly, I’m tired of being polite and pretending like you Trumpkins aren’t shiteating, pissdrinking mental invalids.

You’re gross. You’re loud. You’re fat. You’re dumb. You’re tacky. You’re ignorant. You’re racist. You’re embarrassing.

Go smoke meth in your trailer, collect your SSI, and yell at the blonde lady on the picture box about the scary brown people and let the rest of us try to pull the country out of it’s death spiral.

[Brisketexan 104239]

Just now, Bama Chick said:

lol at thinking this country is made up of a Trump supporting “majority”.

Y’all may be loud, fat, and tacky and have a minority rule over your shitty party of treason but you’re still only 35% of the country.

And people who disagree with you have tried reason and facts and logic but y’all are beyond all help. Everything is fake news and alternative facts.

Quite frankly, I’m tired of being polite and pretending like you Trumpkins aren’t shiteating, pissdrinking mental invalids.

You’re gross. You’re loud. You’re fat. You’re dumb. You’re tacky. You’re ignorant. You’re racist. You’re embarrassing.

Go smoke meth in your trailer, collect your SSI, and yell at the blonde lady on the picture box about the scary brown people and let the rest of us try to pull the country out of it’s death spiral.

Icono, you just got shit on by a woman who's more of a man than you'll ever be.

Not that the bar was set particularly high, but still.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Naah.  Keeps me warm.

And my contempt squares perfectly with our system of government.  We don't have direct democracy by idiots.  We have a representative government.  Our reps are supposed to be the wise men and women we elect to represent our interests.  They aren't supposed to be a raw manifestation of our ignorant id.  We expressly opted OUT of government by the mob.  Yet that's exactly what our current government and culture are foisting on us anyway.  The consequences are easy to predict.  And they ain't good.
Oh, and as for your "majority" of people in this country.  Among your many faults, you're shitty at counting, too.  His net approval is around -14%.  Still, his approval shows us that there are a LOT of fucking morons.
 

You have a very broad brush that doesn’t include just the Trump supporters. You haven’t given your solution on how you’d change things for the better. You are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. You don’t even try to relate to or make an effort to try to understand or win over those you think are morons. To me that shows contempt for our system of government.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

lol at thinking this country is made up of a Trump supporting “majority”.

Y’all may be loud, fat, and tacky and have a minority rule over your shitty party of treason but you’re still only 35% of the country.

And people who disagree with you have tried reason and facts and logic but y’all are beyond all help. Everything is fake news and alternative facts.

Quite frankly, I’m tired of being polite and pretending like you Trumpkins aren’t shiteating, pissdrinking mental invalids.

You’re gross. You’re loud. You’re fat. You’re dumb. You’re tacky. You’re ignorant. You’re racist. You’re embarrassing.

Go smoke meth in your trailer, collect your SSI, and yell at the blonde lady on the picture box about the scary brown people and let the rest of us try to pull the country out of it’s death spiral.

You’re the one from Alabama who posted a picture of herself here. Remember that before you spout off because you’re a lout.

[Brisketexan 104239]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

You have a very broad brush that doesn’t include just the Trump supporters. You haven’t given your solution on how you’d change things for the better. You are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. You don’t even try to relate to or make an effort to try to understand or win over those you think are morons. To me that shows contempt for our system of government.

To you, tailored jerseys are a good idea.

I've offered a jillion solutions -- I've posted about my thoughts on comprehensive immigration reform, on ending the war on drugs, on improving education, and any number of other significant policy matters.  But I've also realized this, and I'm not fucking stupid, so I'm not going to ignore what's been slapping us all in the face: the morons CANNOT BE WON OVER.  Facts, logic, data, reasoned thinking?  They don't have zero value to the moron class -- they have NEGATIVE value.  The more evidence that you present, the more you are "fake news," a tool of the "deep state," etc. etc.  

Good ideas will never win the moron vote.  The only path for dealing with the morons is defeating them.

[Chuckie Finster 22571]

2 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

You’re the one from Alabama who posted a picture of herself here. Remember that before you spout off because you’re a lout.

You sure you want to get into the "personal details revealed on the board" discussion?

[GHOSTUSER 361]

You sure you want to get into the "personal details revealed on the board" discussion?

Those personal details were never revealed by me but my dipshit brother. I don’t spout off about her unprovoked. She is a foul mouth

[Brisketexan 104239]

2 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Those personal details were never revealed by me but my dipshit brother. I don’t spout off about her unprovoked. She is a foul mouth

These are foul times.  I'm fucking good with it.

[bad_teammate 13116]

What would be really helpful for Beto is to have a signature proposal regarding immigration that mirrors the larger vision and shows the direction of the larger values that will guide the individual decisions. A simple policy proposal that COULD be reduced to a sound bite in lieu of being able to condense an entire immigration vision into a sound bite.

Here's something: "Amnesty for those currently here and a relaxed standard for asylum."

Bam, there you go. You're welcome, Beto.

[yaqdum 182]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

These are foul times.  I'm fucking good with it.

fucking A.

i like to hold my best cuss words for when they do the most.  like keeping back your straightest arrows for when they are really needed.  like now.

[bad_teammate 13116]

Imagine being such a garbage human that your own family goes on the Internet to trash you. lol

[Underdog 28392]

26 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

lol at thinking this country is made up of a Trump supporting “majority”.

Y’all may be loud, fat, and tacky and have a minority rule over your shitty party of treason but you’re still only 35% of the country.

And people who disagree with you have tried reason and facts and logic but y’all are beyond all help. Everything is fake news and alternative facts.

Quite frankly, I’m tired of being polite and pretending like you Trumpkins aren’t shiteating, pissdrinking mental invalids.

You’re gross. You’re loud. You’re fat. You’re dumb. You’re tacky. You’re ignorant. You’re racist. You’re embarrassing.

Go smoke meth in your trailer, collect your SSI, and yell at the blonde lady on the picture box about the scary brown people and let the rest of us try to pull the country out of it’s death spiral.

I mean...  gotdamn!!! 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What would be really helpful for Beto is to have a signature proposal regarding immigration that mirrors the larger vision and shows the direction of the larger values that will guide the individual decisions. A simple policy proposal that COULD be reduced to a sound bite in lieu of being able to condense an entire immigration vision into a sound bite.

Here's something: "Amnesty for those currently here and a relaxed standard for asylum."

Bam, there you go. You're welcome, Beto.

This would be a great approach for Beto, to be the immigration reform candidate actually from the fucking Mexican border. 

Taking the GOP signature issue and turning it on its head. 

 

[Celery Man 20832]

majority?

[Js1 85009]

23 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What would be really helpful for Beto is to have a signature proposal regarding immigration that mirrors the larger vision and shows the direction of the larger values that will guide the individual decisions. A simple policy proposal that COULD be reduced to a sound bite in lieu of being able to condense an entire immigration vision into a sound bite.

Here's something: "Amnesty for those currently here and a relaxed standard for asylum."

Bam, there you go. You're welcome, Beto.

Good idea.

But instead his response to how to fix visa overstays - "I don't know."

And everything else about immigration/the wall has been "let's have a discussion with bipartisan solutions."

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[Fozzz 152]

They should ditch the constitution though.  It's a piece of shit.

[bad_teammate 13116]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Good idea.

But instead his response to how to fix visa overstays - "I don't know."

And everything else about immigration/the wall has been "let's have a discussion with bipartisan solutions."

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Some candidates are legitimately substantive thinkers but aren't good at sound bites.

Some candidates are good at sound bites but are not legitimately substantive thinkers.

Some can do both.

Some can't do either.

If Beto is challenging the fundamental precepts of the Constitution, I'm intrigued.

Edited January 16, 2019 by bad_teammate

[David Dennison 18487]

I'm shocked a presidential hopeful actually used the word "empire" to describe the United States.

[Bama Chick 28596]

I’m proud to be from Alabama and I’m proud of how I look.

Why don’t you show us a picture of your dicksucking methmouth and your lovingly tailored jerseys so we can compare who’s really the “lout” here.

Which, BTW dumbass a “lout” is an aggressive man.

I know all your years of “experimentation” might have eaten holes in your already inferior brain but if you’re going to try to insult me please use correct terminology.

[elfenix 34161]

2 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

You spew nothing but vitriol and contempt against the majority of people of this country. How do you square that with the system of government that we have? You should be happy as the Democrats did very well in 2018 midterms and the system we have worked in your favor. Hate will burn you up son.

icono is rocko!  rocko is icono!

[bad_teammate 13116]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I'm shocked a presidential hopeful actually used the word "empire" to describe the United States.

I mean there's another guy on the Dem side who describes it that way, but I'll leave that alone for now.

But yeah, it's awesome to hear that from someone who isn't a rumpled old man yelling at clouds.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Love Bernie but he does have a Russia problem.

This isn’t going to play well with democrats no matter how you spin it.

[bad_teammate 13116]

having consistent principles = "spin" lol ok bud

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

having consistent principles = "spin" lol ok bud

Letting Russia walk all over us without a response isn’t exactly a good principle, even if consistent.

[bad_teammate 13116]

25 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Letting Russia walk all over us without a response isn’t exactly a good principle, even if consistent.

Honest question, Mr. McCarthy, were you paying attention to either Russia-related to Democratic politics in 2012? How new are you to being a woke lib? It's kind of important, because you're easily baited by the right-wing. Say "Russia" out loud to you and you're as helpless as Marty McFly hearing "chicken" and watching you go back in time is awkward.

The 2012 Magnitsky was altered by the right to apply only to an extremely narrow band of specific Russian oligarchs, creating an inconsistent stance against human rights abusers worldwide. Sanders wanted a consistent stance against human rights abusers. When the Magnitsky Act was expanded in 2015/16 to apply to more than just a very narrow band of Russian oligarchs, Sanders supported it.

(Similarly, he voted against the sham new sanctions in 2017 which were designed by the right to try and cripple the Iran deal. The majority of Dems jumped in line because they, like you, are easily goaded.)

You're not trying to learn, you're trying to make a home within the Democratic party for your center-right/right-wing politics. You've been temporarily deranged by Donald and will very soon go back to your conservative home.

No thanks, bud.

Edited January 16, 2019 by bad_teammate

[bad_teammate 13116]

RUSSIA IS WALKING ALL OVER US

(Russia's economy is smaller than California's)

[Hank Scorpio 17704]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Honest question, Mr. McCarthy, were you paying attention to either Russia-related to Democratic politics in 2012? How new are you to being a woke lib? It's kind of important, because you're easily baited by the right-wing. Say "Russia" out loud to you and you're as helpless as Marty McFly hearing "chicken" and watching you go back in time is awkward.

The 2012 Magnitsky was altered by the right to apply only to an extremely narrow band of specific Russian oligarchs, creating an inconsistent stance against human rights abusers worldwide. Sanders wanted a consistent stance against human rights abusers. When the Magnitsky Act was expanded in 2015/16 to apply to more than just a very narrow band of Russian oligarchs, Sanders supported it.

(Similarly, he voted against the sham new sanctions in 2017 which were designed by the right to try and cripple the Iran deal. The majority of Dems jumped in line because they, like you, are easily goaded.)

You're not trying to learn, you're trying to make a home within the Democratic party for your center-right/right-wing politics. You've been temporarily deranged by Donald and will very soon go back to your conservative home.

 No thanks, bud.

Uh, actually, maybe the 80 year old socialist has been a secret Russian asset for years and they finally activated him. That makes way more sense than this bullshit. 

[Hank Scorpio 17704]

And another thing, if you rearrange the letters in BERNIE SANDERS it spells RUSSIA, but there's no U, except for YOU, because YOU ARE NOW A RUSSIAN AGENT! 

[Brisketexan 104239]

RUSSIA IS WALKING ALL OVER US
(Russia's economy is smaller than California's)

Yeah....that makes it even more embarrassing. When a heavyweight gets knocked down by a featherweight, that’s shameful.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Love bad teammates nuanced explanations.  Can’t wait to hear Bernie explain all that shit when the Russia question inevitably comes up in the debates.

For the record, I think Bernie is one of the few people on earth that would compromise himself for an ideology he really believes would make America a better place.

I don’t think it’s about the money or blackmail.

[Pescado_Rojo 19324]

3 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I’m proud to be from Alabama and I’m proud of how I look.

Why don’t you show us a picture of your dicksucking methmouth and your lovingly tailored jerseys so we can compare who’s really the “lout” here.

Which, BTW dumbass a “lout” is an aggressive man.

I know all your years of “experimentation” might have eaten holes in your already inferior brain but if you’re going to try to insult me please use correct terminology.

[bad_teammate 13116]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Can’t wait to hear Bernie explain all that shit when the Russia question inevitably comes up in the debates.

Are you also going to not listen or pay attention when he explains it?

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For the record, I think Bernie is one of the few people on earth that would compromise himself for an ideology he really believes would make America a better place.

What ideology are you talking about?

And what has Bernie done to show that he's compromised? He has, after all, spoken out forcefully against Russian and voted for sanctions that were not (1) purposefully crippled in their scope or (2) designed to destroy the Iran deal.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

It’s the things Bernie doesn’t do that speaks volumes.  

Bernie can at least tell Russia he doesn’t want or need their help in elections.  That he rejects any assistance they might give him.  He doesn’t want it.

Has he ever done that publicly? 

Because I haven’t seen it.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13116]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie can at least tell Russia he doesn’t want or need their help in elections.  That he rejects any assistance they might give him.  He doesn’t want it.

This is self-parody, Hugo. You can do better.

Sanders on Iran and Russia Sanctions

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"I am strongly supportive of the sanctions on Russia included in this bill. It is unacceptable for Russia to interfere in our elections here in the United States, or anywhere around the world. There must be consequences for such actions. I also have deep concerns about the policies and activities of the Iranian government, especially their support for the brutal Assad regime in Syria. I have voted for sanctions on Iran in the past, and I believe sanctions were an important tool for bringing Iran to the negotiating table. But I believe that these new sanctions could endanger the very important nuclear agreement that was signed between the United States, its partners and Iran in 2015. That is not a risk worth taking, particularly at a time of heightened tension between Iran and Saudi Arabia and its allies. I think the United States must play a more even-handed role in the Middle East, and find ways to address not only Iran's activities, but also Saudi Arabia's decades-long support for radical extremism."

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Also, what ideology are you talking about?

[JimmyJames 12271]

7 hours ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Those personal details were never revealed by me but my dipshit brother. I don’t spout off about her unprovoked. She is a foul mouth

Why would your bother/her spout off about you unprovoked on a message board? That seems strange for him/her to do. Perhaps you can explain.