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6 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Does anyone really think Beto is even going to beat Cruz?  I know he is polling decent but he is still behind and you know the repubs are going to show up at midterms.  I can't see him failing in 2018 and making some run in 2020.

Based on Cruz’s twitter account, Cruz seems to think so. 

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I'll spring for the donuts if you go to a meeting and rant. WillCo.
Travis still has the lunatic as chairman?
Run for it. It is yours for the asking.

The lunatic got runned off. Current Travis County chair is a guy I’ve been good friends with for 20+ years.

And these days I’d go over about as well at a GOP meeting as a fart in church (which I sneak out on occasion).
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The lunatic got runned off. Current Travis County chair is a guy I’ve been good friends with for 20+ years.

And these days I’d go over about as well at a GOP meeting as a fart in church (which I sneak out on occasion).

You are friends with a GOP politician even!? What is really going on here, who did you really vote for in 2016. And what can your GOP friends possibly think of you and your doomsday/pessimistic positions? Serious questions, btw.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Barely. And he was outed as a fucking pedophile. That’s how high the fucking bar is.

It ain't just that. African Americans turned out to vote in relatively high numbers for a special election.  They practically sat out 2014, and didnt show up strong in 2016 either. If Latinos do the same, Beto can win.  I cant think of a more publicized off year election than 2018 ever. It's a Presidential level fever pitch and real conservatives are disenchanted. Dems have a real chance. 

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You are friends with a GOP politician even!? What is really going on here, who did you really vote for in 2016. And what can your GOP friends possibly think of you and your doomsday/pessimistic positions? Serious questions, btw.

I voted for (yep) Johnson, because I live in Texas and my vote hasn’t mattered for decades.

I won’t share my private conversations with him, or what he’s said to me in confidence. Suffice it to say he knows my take and our relationship these days is challenging. It makes me genuinely sad.
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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I voted for (yep) Johnson, because I live in Texas and my vote hasn’t mattered for decades.

I won’t share my private conversations with him, or what he’s said to me in confidence. Suffice it to say he knows my take and our relationship these days is challenging. It makes me genuinely sad.

sorry to hear that.

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I voted for (yep) Johnson, because I live in Texas and my vote hasn’t mattered for decades.

I won’t share my private conversations with him, or what he’s said to me in confidence. Suffice it to say he knows my take and our relationship these days is challenging. It makes me genuinely sad.

I don’t know him personally, but he’s my neighbor and we’ve got a ton of mutual acquaintances. He seems like a very conflicted person at the moment.
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On 7/19/2018 at 6:06 PM, Patrick Bateman said:

She's almost 69 and would be 71 in 2020.  

When are the democrats going to look at what works rather than trip over their dicks.

Billy boy -- 46 years old

Obama -- 47 years old

The country doesn't want old retreads.... They should let that be the oppositions strategy.  

I agree, find someone in their mid 40's to mid 50's, bring in some new blood.

Carter was 52 at the start of his presidency.  Johnson was 55 at the start of his, which is about the median age for new presidents.  Only two presidents have been over 70 at the *end* of their presidency; Trump will be the third. Other than Obama, the president has had a 1946 birthday from 1993 through whenever Trump leaves.  That's too much time for one generation to have power.

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4 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

I agree, find someone in their mid 40's to mid 50's, bring in some new blood.

Carter was 52 at the start of his presidency.  Johnson was 55 at the start of his, which is about the median age for new presidents.  Only two presidents have been over 70 at the *end* of their presidency; Trump will be the third. Other than Obama, the president has had a 1946 birthday from 1993 through whenever Trump leaves.  That's too much time for one generation to have power.

I agree as well.

My only caveat is Biden running for a promised 1 term under "restoring our standing in the world and cleaning up Trump's mess" with a younger VP would get my vote.  I would be extremely hesitant to support Biden in the primaries if he didn't make such an offer. 

Such individuals I would prefer instead or to be Biden's VP choice to run in 2024:

Kamala Harris - 53 (55 in 2020)

Cory Booker - 49 (51 in 2020)

Chris Murphy - 45 (47 in 2020)

 

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On 9/19/2018 at 7:55 AM, Js1 said:

I agree as well.

My only caveat is Biden running for a promised 1 term under "restoring our standing in the world and cleaning up Trump's mess" with a younger VP would get my vote.  I would be extremely hesitant to support Biden in the primaries if he didn't make such an offer. 

Such individuals I would prefer instead or to be Biden's VP choice to run in 2024:

Kamala Harris - 53 (55 in 2020)

Cory Booker - 49 (51 in 2020)

Chris Murphy - 45 (47 in 2020)

 

Seth Moulton will be 42 in 2020. 

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23 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Poll on Jake Tapper's show claims Biden is at 33% with Bernie in second place more than 20 points behind.

First rule for the Democratic primary in 2020.  If you are a candidate and at any time your popularity falls behind Michael Avenatti just go ahead and jump out a window.

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On 10/14/2018 at 11:46 AM, Biff Tannen said:

Poll on Jake Tapper's show claims Biden is at 33% with Bernie in second place more than 20 points behind.

lol Dems gonna lose again

Galaxy Dem Brain: "In this era of #BlackLivesMatter and #MeToo, let's make sure to nominate an ancient white man from the Northeast who spent his entire life in the US Senate. Even better if we have pictures and video of him constantly creeping on women and making them uncomfortable."

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Name recognition =/= front runner.

Also, LOL at Bernie pretty low for his name being easily recognized. FEELIN THE BURN.  Bigger surprise is where Kamala Harris is positioned - just below Bernie but above Warren.

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21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trumpism pretty much destroyed whatever was left of a legitimate libertarian movement.

Sadly

Well considering the "most Libertarian" Republican is Rand Paul and he basically laps up Trump's ball sweat while Mitch takes him from behind....

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

There was never such a thing

Kinda true.  

There was never a true Libertarian leader to advance a consistent and monolithic ideology based on values.  It was always kind of a hodgepodge of anti-state hardliners and utopian pot smokers. 

They never really got their shit together. 

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8 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

lol Dems gonna lose again

Galaxy Dem Brain: "In this era of #BlackLivesMatter and #MeToo, let's make sure to nominate an ancient white man from the Northeast who spent his entire life in the US Senate. Even better if we have pictures and video of him constantly creeping on women and making them uncomfortable."

So who are you going to vote for? 

Did you protest vote like Brisket?

 

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11 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

So who are you going to vote for? 

Did you protest vote like Brisket?

In this age of "Every accusation a confession", it's telling when Dems and other center-right-libs endlessly bring up Bernie Sanders to people who didn't even mention him. Your collective lib desire to purge even the past crimethink of Sanders support is exactly what you pretend to be calling out.

It's not about me. The Dems have me. That's the whole point. I'm an old white man of means in the exact type of neighborhood the Dems are inexplicably working very hard to swing even though my ZIP code is Cruz's #1 (or at least top 3) source for non-PAC donations.

I always vote. It's about the people who are not motivated to vote for Dems. The Dems need 100% of Sanders voters BECAUSE they don't know how to actually appeal to their naturally massive base of non-voting Hispanic, black, and female constituents. What does Joe Biden do? Who does Joe Biden motivate? Why is he at the top of the list? His best days, such as they were, are 30 years in the past. What vision of the 21st century does this guy champion? What relevance does this fossil of a Senator have to young Latinos?

And as a reminder...

Bernie '16 primary voters were far more likely to vote for Clinton in the general (10% drift) than Clinton '08 primary voters were to vote for Obama in the general (25% drift).

Do you remember PUMA? Probably not. Down the Dem Memory Hole in service of yet another decaying appendage of the larger apparatus.

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Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts has one-upped socialists Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: She proposes to nationalize every major business in the United States of America. If successful, it would constitute the largest seizure of private property in human history.

Warren’s proposal is dishonestly called the “Accountable Capitalism Act.” Accountable to whom? you might ask. That’s a reasonable question. The answer is — as it always is — accountable to politicians, who desire to put the assets and productivity of private businesses under political discipline for their own selfish ends. It is remarkable that people who are most keenly attuned to the self-interest of CEOs and shareholders and the ways in which that self-interest influences their decisions apparently believe that members of the House, senators, presidents, regulators, Cabinet secretaries, and agency chiefs somehow are liberated from self-interest when they take office through some kind of miracle of transcendence.

Under Senator Warren’s proposal, no business with more than $1 billion in revenue would be permitted to legally operate without permission from the federal government. The federal government would then dictate to these businesses the composition of their boards, the details of internal corporate governance, compensation practices, personnel policies, and much more. Naturally, their political activities would be restricted, too. Senator Warren’s proposal entails the wholesale expropriation of private enterprise in the United States, and nothing less. It is unconstitutional, unethical, immoral, irresponsible, and — not to put too fine a point on it — utterly bonkers.

It is also cynical. Senator Warren is many things: a crass opportunist, intellectually bankrupt, personally vapid, a peddler of witless self-help books, etc. But she is not stupid. She knows that this is a go-nowhere proposition, that she will be spared by the Republican legislative majority from the ignominy that would ensue from the wholehearted pursuit of this daft program. It is in reality only a means of staking out for purely strategic reasons the most radical corner for her 2020 run at the Democratic presidential nomination. The Democratic party in 2018, like the Republican primary electorate in 2016, is out for blood and desirous of confrontation. So Senator Warren is running this red flag up the flagpole to see who salutes.

To propose such a thing for sincere reasons would be ghastly stupidity. To propose this program for narrowly self-serving political reasons is the sort of thing that would end a political career in a sane and self-respecting state, which Massachusetts plainly is not and has not been for some time.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/elizabeth-warren-plan-nationalize-everything-woos-hard-left/


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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

In this age of "Every accusation a confession", it's telling when Dems and other center-right-libs endlessly bring up Bernie Sanders to people who didn't even mention him. Your collective lib desire to purge even the past crimethink of Sanders support is exactly what you pretend to be calling out.

It's not about me. The Dems have me. That's the whole point. I'm an old white man of means in the exact type of neighborhood the Dems are inexplicably working very hard to swing even though my ZIP code is Cruz's #1 (or at least top 3) source for non-PAC donations.

I always vote. It's about the people who are not motivated to vote for Dems. The Dems need 100% of Sanders voters BECAUSE they don't know how to actually appeal to their naturally massive base of non-voting Hispanic, black, and female constituents. What does Joe Biden do? Who does Joe Biden motivate? Why is he at the top of the list? His best days, such as they were, are 30 years in the past. What vision of the 21st century does this guy champion? What relevance does this fossil of a Senator have to young Latinos?

And as a reminder...

Bernie '16 primary voters were far more likely to vote for Clinton in the general (10% drift) than Clinton '08 primary voters were to vote for Obama in the general (25% drift).

Do you remember PUMA? Probably not. Down the Dem Memory Hole in service of yet another decaying appendage of the larger apparatus.

They know how to appeal to "their naturally massive base of non-voting Hispanic, black, and female constituents."  Its called a Hispanic, black, or female candidate.  Obama showed us that. Beto is showing us that a young likeable white male can get them out to vote as well.  Super old white dudes should not be the Dem thing. Hillary proved that neither should super old white women. The common denominator there is super old, however.  Biden, Bernie, and Warren are done with. 

Dems need a young and charismatic leader to win. The GOP can get away with charismatic ancient artifacts like Trump and Reagan.  

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

In this age of "Every accusation a confession", it's telling when Dems and other center-right-libs endlessly bring up Bernie Sanders to people who didn't even mention him. Your collective lib desire to purge even the past crimethink of Sanders support is exactly what you pretend to be calling out.

It's not about me. The Dems have me. That's the whole point. I'm an old white man of means in the exact type of neighborhood the Dems are inexplicably working very hard to swing even though my ZIP code is Cruz's #1 (or at least top 3) source for non-PAC donations.

I always vote. It's about the people who are not motivated to vote for Dems. The Dems need 100% of Sanders voters BECAUSE they don't know how to actually appeal to their naturally massive base of non-voting Hispanic, black, and female constituents. What does Joe Biden do? Who does Joe Biden motivate? Why is he at the top of the list? His best days, such as they were, are 30 years in the past. What vision of the 21st century does this guy champion? What relevance does this fossil of a Senator have to young Latinos?

And as a reminder...

Bernie '16 primary voters were far more likely to vote for Clinton in the general (10% drift) than Clinton '08 primary voters were to vote for Obama in the general (25% drift).

Do you remember PUMA? Probably not. Down the Dem Memory Hole in service of yet another decaying appendage of the larger apparatus.

Goddam right I remember Party Unity My Ass. Been a trusted user at the Great Orange Satan for a while. And I had just as much patience for those women as I do Bernie bros that can't seem to understand why POC are not going to vote for their anointed leader. Not then and not now. 

Hey, if you are privy to the magic formula for getting the RGV to quit voting R I am all ears. 

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8 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

And I had just as much patience for those women as I do Bernie bros that can't seem to understand why POC are not going to vote for their anointed leader.

If Sanders ran against Trump in 2020, POC wouldn't vote for Sanders?

Who would they vote for? Biden?

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