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12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The majority of people that mention Biden as their favorite right now aren't really paying attention to anything. I think most of those voters will be available to any candidate as we get closer to the debates.

100% agreed.

I think there's going to be movement around the debates and a TON of movement after Iowa. The #1 priority for voters is beating Trump and it's not going to be about who can out-centrist or out-left the other, but about who can make a convincing case that they can win. The policy stuff will, for most voters, come after that.

10 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Beto wasn’t even in the race when people were asked who they would support if Biden dropped out. It’s logical to think that as time goes on and his name recognition goes up, he will pick up more of Biden’s vote. Beto isn’t picking up a lot of progressives but those people aren’t in Biden’s camp anyway.

Sure, but why Beto specifically? It's not like he's got higher name recognition than Warren or Harris.

And also, actually being in the race doesn't matter a ton, because Biden isn't in the race at all and is winning every single poll. Beto had statistically significant support and huge name recognition before he entered the race. It's not like a huge portion of America was all like, "Oh wait, who is this guy!?" when he announced. He got a full Vanity Fair cover and spread + hundreds of hours of national media coverage the day he announced. People already knew he was coming and were ready.

Beto's chance to bumrush the process passed. Now he's just one of the horses in the pack.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Did anyone watch Booker's Town Hall last night? I caught some of it and thought he did okay. He's a little spazzy and over-excitable. I think it speaks to the strength of candidates that he's not talked about very much right now. 

 

I think Booker will be one of a few who drop out due to bad polls prior to the primary getting here.  When he made his jump from mayor to senator, I think he thought he'd be in the Dem establishment coronation succession line for 2024.  Hillary's loss completely destroyed that nonsense.  I could see him making a legitimate run in 2028 when he is more seasoned and things have settled down a bit.

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Beto will fall short in the Rust Belt states where Biden is hugely popular. As a Midwest resident I can tell you people here want to vote for someone they can identify with - Biden is seen as a blue collar guy - ie "one of us" versus a Kamala Harris or Warren.

All Biden has to do is roll out to some Bruce Springsteen at a rally in Grand Rapids or Milwaukee and he'll have those states locked down. 

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Beto will fall short in the Rust Belt states where Biden is hugely popular. As a Midwest resident I can tell you people here want to vote for someone they can identify with - Biden is seen as a blue collar guy - ie "one of us" versus a Kamala Harris or Warren.

All Biden has to do is roll out to some Bruce Springsteen at a rally in Grand Rapids or Milwaukee and he'll have those states locked down. 

Bruce basically sat out the 2016 election after campaigning for Kerry and Obama.

Interesting fact: Bernie and Bruce both lost to the (deceased) Carrie Fisher for a 2018 Spoken Word Grammy.

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1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

I think there's going to be movement around the debates and a TON of movement after Iowa. The #1 priority for voters is beating Trump and it's not going to be about who can out-centrist or out-left the other, but about who can make a convincing case that they can win. The policy stuff will, for most voters, come after that.

Agreed, but this is a bit concerning to me. Backing a candidate mainly because you THINK he/she has the best chance to beat Trump is foolish IMO. There are too many unknown variables to properly predict it. 

 

 

 

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Agreed, but this is a bit concerning to me. Backing a candidate mainly because you THINK he/she has the best chance to beat Trump is foolish IMO. There are too many unknown variables to properly predict it.

Sure, but it's a sales job. All candidates right now need to be selling themselves as someone who can beat Trump. Literally all they need to do is confidently say, "I am going to beat Donald Trump." over and over again; that's how soft-brained the whole "electability" thing is. Act confident and people will believe and follow.

People like us, people with political brain worms, are going to try and come up with elaborate rationales regarding electability, but we're dumb and wrong.

It's why they like Biden. He said he'd beat Trump up multiple times and people loved it. As they should.

I've said it a million times by now, but if Jeb Bush had walked over to Trump during a debate, pushed Trump's podium over, got in Donald's face and called him a prissy rich boy then Jeb's numbers would've skyrocketed. Every time Trump waved his hands around and said, "believe me", Jeb just prisses around saying "oooh, 'believe me'" in a fey New York queen voice; Trump's numbers crater.

If the people watch the debates and see 3 tough candidates who want to fight Donald and 8 softies who want to be nice, a HUGE proportion of voters are going for the tough ones, policy be damned.

And the people know what's fake and what's not. Booker isn't going to be able to convince anyone he's tough. I don't think Beto could, either.

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11 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Sure, but it's a sales job. All candidates right now need to be selling themselves as someone who can beat Trump. Literally all they need to do is confidently say, "I am going to beat Donald Trump." over and over again; that's how soft-brained the whole "electability" thing is. Act confident and people will believe and follow.

I respectfully disagree. They need to talk past Trump and straight to American voters. 

I think Buttigieg nails it when he says Trump "absorbs" the attention/hate and it makes him more powerful. He wants a nasty, personal battle vs. a Dem candidate. Unfortunately he's proven to be very good at it.  

Stick to the ideas/policies/voters, and it weakens Trump IMO. 

 

 

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I respectfully disagree. They need to talk past Trump and straight to American voters. 

I think Buttigieg nails it when he says Trump "absorbs" the attention/hate and it makes him more powerful. He wants a nasty, personal battle vs. a Dem candidate. Unfortunately he's proven to be very good at it.  

Stick to the ideas/policies/voters, and it weakens Trump IMO. 

They should also use polysyllabic words to confuse him.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm ready to discuss wagers re: Biden. His candidacy will be an absolute disaster from Day 1 of his announcement. 

 

Kind of contradicting yourself since he has the best chance to beat Trump.  The easiest way to beat Trump is to take back the Rust Belt states he won in 2016.  Biden would perform the best of any Democrat in that region.

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Kind of contradicting yourself since he has the best chance to beat Trump.  The easiest way to beat Trump is to take back the Rust Belt states he won in 2016.  Biden would perform the best of any Democrat in that region.

Any of the Democrats can beat Donald Trump.

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Look, none of the candidates are perfect. Bernie and Biden are old white dudes and too extreme on their respective ends of the political spectrum for most Democrats, Beto and Buttigieg lack experience, Gillibrand and Klobuchar and Gabbard lack name recognition, and Waren and Harris just don't seem to have enthusiastic backers. 

It's not like the Dems can find a middle aged, well-known, female politician with huge name recognition and tons of experience. Unless....

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Any of the Democrats can beat Donald Trump.

In a board game, yes.  In a game of H-O-R-S-E, yes.  In an election, no.  All Trump has to do is put together a mix tape of the Democrat Party's greatest hits from the last two years--Kavanaugh hearing, third trimester abortions, open borders, sanctuary cities, anything that has came out of AOC's mouth, Green New Deal being vocally supported by every major Democrat presidential candidate only to not get one actual vote in support of it, anything that has came out of Adam Schiff's mouth in the last two years, white privilege, toxic masculinity,  anything out of the mouth of Little Miss Anti-Semite from Minnesota,  anything out of the mouth of that dumbshit senator from Hawaii, etc. plus the numerous gifts sure to come in the next year and a half out of the mouths of O'Rourke, Sanders, Biden, Harris, Booker, Warren and company.  Trump doesn't have to run against any particular candidate.  All he has to do is run against your idiotic party in general.  A little reminder, the most reliable voters in elections are old people and the current lunacy in the Democratic Party will scare the shit out of old people.

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4 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

In a board game, yes.  In a game of H-O-R-S-E, yes.  In an election, no.  All Trump has to do is put together a mix tape of the Democrat Party's greatest hits from the last two years--Kavanaugh hearing, third trimester abortions, open borders, sanctuary cities, anything that has came out of AOC's mouth, Green New Deal being vocally supported by every major Democrat presidential candidate only to not get one actual vote in support of it, anything that has came out of Adam Schiff's mouth in the last two years, white privilege, toxic masculinity,  anything out of the mouth of Little Miss Anti-Semite from Minnesota,  anything out of the mouth of that dumbshit senator from Hawaii, etc. plus the numerous gifts sure to come in the next year and a half out of the mouths of O'Rourke, Sanders, Biden, Harris, Booker, Warren and company.  Trump doesn't have to run against any particular candidate.  All he has to do is run against your idiotic party in general.  A little reminder, the most reliable voters in elections are old people and the current lunacy in the Democratic Party will scare the shit out of old people.

I can’t fucking wait

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I respectfully disagree. They need to talk past Trump and straight to American voters. 

I think Buttigieg nails it when he says Trump "absorbs" the attention/hate and it makes him more powerful. He wants a nasty, personal battle vs. a Dem candidate. Unfortunately he's proven to be very good at it.  

Stick to the ideas/policies/voters, and it weakens Trump IMO. 

 

 

Gee I wonder what candidate out there is both tough and sticks to ideas/policies/voters

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Gee I wonder what candidate out there is both tough and sticks to ideas/policies/voters

Yeah, and if only there was a candidate who has spent a career being extremely critical of the two-party system and how both parties continually fail to listen to working Americans and only serve corporate paymasters.

Almost an... "independent" or something.

 

hmm

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I know a bit of noise was made about Bernie gashing his fucking head open... but this fucking guy is surpassing legendary status. He didn’t skip a beat. Proceeded to host a panel on healthcare, hold actual real massive rallies, and stand with union workers. If that’s not the epitome of tough and standing w the people idk what is. If Trump had shown his face I’m absolutely positive he’d have been clotheslined and had the people’s elbow dropped on his candy ass.

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47 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Kind of contradicting yourself since he has the best chance to beat Trump.  The easiest way to beat Trump is to take back the Rust Belt states he won in 2016.  Biden would perform the best of any Democrat in that region.

Biden is a joke. Not surprised that you think he would be the D's best candidate though. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Did you think my post was critical of Bernie for some reason? He definitely fits the bill. 

Of course not Hank. You’re a good guy. I’m just trying to use my year plus wisely in this game of tug of war.

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1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Look, none of the candidates are perfect. Bernie and Biden are old white dudes and too extreme on their respective ends of the political spectrum for most Democrats, Beto and Buttigieg lack experience, Gillibrand and Klobuchar and Gabbard lack name recognition, and Waren and Harris just don't seem to have enthusiastic backers. 

It's not like the Dems can find a middle aged, well-known, female politician with huge name recognition and tons of experience. Unless....

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That’s not funny dude. 

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11 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Agreed, but this is a bit concerning to me. Backing a candidate mainly because you THINK he/she has the best chance to beat Trump is foolish IMO. There are too many unknown variables to properly predict it. 

 

 

 

There are some very concrete truths though that will steer the election, though. Everything is going to hinge on the Rust Belt. That much is not even up for debate, really.

I'm not worried about poll numbers right now. But I am worried about who can/will win those states. I can't tell you who is the best candidate for that area just yet, but I think anyone who has spent significant time up there or lived there can tell you who _isn't_ the right candidate.

Not really trying to start a debate on individual candidates. Just stating that there are guiding principles that the 2020 election is going to run on, and that should be in the back of every voter's mind in the democratic primary. There are several candidates who put those states in serious risk vs. Trump. In my personal opinion, it's irresponsible to pull the lever for them in the primary, even if you really want them to be president. 

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In a board game, yes.  In a game of H-O-R-S-E, yes.  In an election, no.  All Trump has to do is put together a mix tape of the Democrat Party's greatest hits from the last two years--Kavanaugh hearing, third trimester abortions, open borders, sanctuary cities, anything that has came out of AOC's mouth, Green New Deal being vocally supported by every major Democrat presidential candidate only to not get one actual vote in support of it, anything that has came out of Adam Schiff's mouth in the last two years, white privilege, toxic masculinity,  anything out of the mouth of Little Miss Anti-Semite from Minnesota,  anything out of the mouth of that dumbshit senator from Hawaii, etc. plus the numerous gifts sure to come in the next year and a half out of the mouths of O'Rourke, Sanders, Biden, Harris, Booker, Warren and company.  Trump doesn't have to run against any particular candidate.  All he has to do is run against your idiotic party in general.  A little reminder, the most reliable voters in elections are old people and the current lunacy in the Democratic Party will scare the shit out of old people.

Seems like circumstantial evidence.
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19 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Kind of contradicting yourself since he has the best chance to beat Trump.  The easiest way to beat Trump is to take back the Rust Belt states he won in 2016.  Biden would perform the best of any Democrat in that region.

I think Buttigieg can win the Rust Belt/Midwestern states that went from Obama to Trump. 

I'm 100% in his corner at this point.  Gabbard intrigued me early on, but her thing with Assad weirds me out.

People can point at his lack of experience as a negative, but he has more experience in public office than the fucking President.  Also, let's look at Dem nominees in the past 25 years.  The two Democrat Presidents in that time frame were the governor of a small Southern state and a first term Senator from the Midwest.  The failed nominees were a 2 term Vice President, long time Senator from the northeast, and a former First Lady/NY Senator/current Secretary of State.

Experience has not been the Democrats' friend.  It's been no one's friend, frankly.  The people who have won Presidential elections in my life are (in order):  sitting VP, Arkansas Governor, Texas Governor, first term Illinois Senator, Pussy Grabbing Rich kid.  Other than Bush Sr., not exactly a pile of political experience at the national level.

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I agree with Gabbard on Russia.  It's obvious they interfered, it's obvious Trump benefited, but there's probably not enough evidence to hang him for it.  Get to work, and beat the fucker out of office.  It is not in the Democrats favor to get bogged down on this.

As someone who's not that far left of center, I like a lot of Gabbard's positions (especially her enthusiasm on ending the drug war), but I think her campaign is dead at this point, and she's entirely too cozy with Syria, which has been a bit of a deal breaker (I can forgive her anti LGBTQ past - overcoming your initial biases on such matters is a sign of sound mind to me).  FWIW, I do think the right was terrified of her going up against Trump, and I think that's exactly why you saw people like David Duke giving her Twitter accolades.  He was trying to make her toxic to the left with his touch, because I think he/they felt she could actually unseat Trump.  In no way to I believe a white supremacist wants to see a female minority be President.

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1 minute ago, Pancho Negro said:

Bloomberg tv reporting that a poll is showing both Biden and sanders leading trump by double digits in Pennsylvania 

I’m not sure what poll they are referencing though

A poll of the obvious, maybe?

The Blue Wall will be back in 2020, baby.  They were a source of pride in 2018 - many new D representatives from PA and MI, threw all the GOP out of office in MI, kicked Scott Walker to the curb in WI, re-elected their D senators bigly. 

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3 hours ago, NWBuck said:

Well, I'm sure this will go over well...

  • Beto O’Rourke: Lost comfortably to the political equivalent of Purdue and still thinks he deserves a chance, only because he passes the eye test. He’s Ohio State.

(yes, I know it's allegedly comedy. To each their own)

Hillary 2010 Indiana? I can dig it.

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Well, I'm sure this will go over well...
  • Beto O’Rourke: Lost comfortably to the political equivalent of Purdue and still thinks he deserves a chance, only because he passes the eye test. He’s Ohio State.
(yes, I know it's allegedly comedy. To each their own)

Ted Cruz is absolutely Baylor and no other comparison, except perhaps aggy, holds any water.

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20 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

lol

Can't wait for the conspiracy libs to latch onto this...

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I recognized the name because she's been an opening speaker for Bernie in the past and endorsed him in 2016.

Come on, libs, show your teeth.

Plenty of evidence over the years that it ain’t a conspiracy. 

Biden is a creepy old man 

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