2020 Democratic Nominee

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[Llano Estacado 1257]

Not sure if it’s old video, but RNC had this ready to roll on Bullock. Saw it elsewhere around the Twitterverse this morning, and was trying to find the earliest source. Think it was this RNC account.

...uh...I’m a dad. (Think think damn you)...uh...

[Guest Lobo]

Whenever you're in doubt or caught off guard, and somebody asks you what you're political achievements are, just pivot towards, "I took on the big banks" or "I stood up to Wall Street."  

People have literally ridden those quotes all the way to winning the popular vote for POTUS.  As a governor, you can still claim to financial services reform.  

[JimmyHoffa 1188]

10 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Tulsi Gabbards is a #bothsides candidate.

 

 

I don't agree with everything she says or some of her policy ideas but at least she is willing to try and do something different instead of just allowing the political machines on both sides (yes, on both sides) to determine how and what someone should do based on stupid decades long "this is how it's done" DC crap. 

The whole point of being in DC is to get things done and her point of disagreeing with 9 out of 10 things with someone in the GOP it's about finding the 1 out of 10  that they are willing to work with you on to get bills passed that are good for those they serve. 

She is 100% right the hyper political my side vs. your side crap is unhealthy for the country and needs to change. 

[Js1 87181]

HA

Basically just “you’re likable....enough” - “Joe would make a great running mate.....as Veep”

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Biden is so bad.  He’s worse than I thought he would be.  He’s running a campaign out of 2004. If he started a nickname war on twitter with Trump he’d probably go up 10 points.  

[Fozzz 152]

7 hours ago, JimmyHoffa said:

 

I don't agree with everything she says or some of her policy ideas but at least she is willing to try and do something different instead of just allowing the political machines on both sides (yes, on both sides) to determine how and what someone should do based on stupid decades long "this is how it's done" DC crap. 

The whole point of being in DC is to get things done and her point of disagreeing with 9 out of 10 things with someone in the GOP it's about finding the 1 out of 10  that they are willing to work with you on to get bills passed that are good for those they serve. 

She is 100% right the hyper political my side vs. your side crap is unhealthy for the country and needs to change. 

I think Tulsi would have surprisingly broad appeal if she could get a decent amount of neutral media coverage.  She is a clear and direct speaker and she gives good interviews when she's not being attacked on all sides over bullshit.

[Pancho 46301]

Like, why bro?

 

[bad_teammate 13519]

"I'm thinking about running."

- "No one wants you to."

"I hear what you're saying." *exaggerated wink*

- "Seriously, Bill, no one cares. No one wants you to run."

"Loud and clear, sport." *finger guns*

- "Bill, nobody outside NYC knows who you are and everyone in NYC hates you."

"Fine, fine, you're twisting my arm. I'LL RUN!"

[Js1 87181]

5 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

Like, why bro?

 

Hi, I’d like to be Secretary of Transportation. K thanks. 

[bad_teammate 13519]

If Bernie wins the nomination he's going to look at all these chucklefucks and laugh in their faces.

Biden will find spots for all of them.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

9 hours ago, JimmyHoffa said:

 

I don't agree with everything she says or some of her policy ideas but at least she is willing to try and do something different instead of just allowing the political machines on both sides (yes, on both sides) to determine how and what someone should do based on stupid decades long "this is how it's done" DC crap. 

The whole point of being in DC is to get things done and her point of disagreeing with 9 out of 10 things with someone in the GOP it's about finding the 1 out of 10  that they are willing to work with you on to get bills passed that are good for those they serve. 

She is 100% right the hyper political my side vs. your side crap is unhealthy for the country and needs to change. 

Of course she is. Political parties have in their best interest their own party. The entire idea that any party has the moral high ground is a joke. They don't even rise to the level of being competent. 

Unfortunately, around here, it's all team, all the time. There is a gigantic difference between political ideology and partisanship. They're two completely different things.

I wholeheartedly despise the Republicans. I feel exactly the same way about Democrats, for competely different reasons. Both parties are a threat to the American people.

Edited May 16, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[JimmyJames 12271]

47 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Of course she is. Political parties have in their best interest their own party. The entire idea that any party has the moral high ground is a joke. They don't even rise to the level of being competent. 

Unfortunately, around here, it's all team, all the time. There is a gigantic difference between political ideology and partisanship. They're two completely different things.

I wholeheartedly despise the Republicans. I feel exactly the same way about Democrats, for competely different reasons. Both parties are a threat to the American people.

Nah. Only one party is threatening democracy and the republic. 

You can both sides bullshit all you want. Doesn’t make it true. 

One party supports a pussy grabbing, narcissistic wannabe dictator who calls anyone who doesn’t completely suck his dick an enemy of the state and lies 98 percent of the time. 

Go fuck yourself with your both sides ignorant or lying bullshit. Not falling for it. 

[David Dennison 19536]

4 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Nah. Only one party is threatening democracy and the republic. 

You can both sides bullshit all you want. Doesn’t make it true. 

One party supports a pussy grabbing, narcissistic wannabe dictator who calls anyone who doesn’t completely suck his dick an enemy of the state and lies 98 percent of the time. 

Go fuck yourself with your both sides ignorant or lying bullshit. Not falling for it. 

A large portion of Republican voters don't understand that the Republican Party is about one thing and one thing only: protecting the interests of the rich. That's it. That's all they care about.

If that means they have to pander to Jesus freaks and racists to get votes, so be it. 

Edited May 16, 2019 by David Dennison

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

A large portion of Republican voters don't understand that the Republican Party is about one thing and one thing only: protecting the interests of the rich. That's it. That's all they care about.

If that means they have to pander to Jesus freaks and racists to get votes, so be it. 

That’s a major problem for sure. Wish they’d wake up to that but the alternative is not owning the libs so probably not even happening. 

[tucker 238]

 

[bad_teammate 13519]

Absolutely pathetic.

 

[Js1 87181]

13 minutes ago, tucker said:

 

This is not a surprise.

Schultz would run third party to protect the status quo from Warren/Sanders because Biden won't upset anything if he's elected, which opens the door for a worse version of Donald Trump to run against the status quo in 2024. 

Joe Biden thinks he's saving America, but he could just end up making it a lot worse 6 years down the road and he'll be 82 and set for life, so who fucking cares? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Hey look, another brilliant plan by Elizabeth Warren that would improve our system of self government instead of being a defense contractor meal ticket. 

 

[JimmyHoffa 1188]

15 hours ago, Fozzz said:

I think Tulsi would have surprisingly broad appeal if she could get a decent amount of neutral media coverage.  She is a clear and direct speaker and she gives good interviews when she's not being attacked on all sides over bullshit.

 

Agreed and that is my problem with the system. 

[Jhawk 1075]

What in the fuck is de Blasio doing? I remember when 16 Republicans was a clown show.

Edited May 16, 2019 by Jhawk

[Bash Riprock 1695]

[Jhawk 1075]

Seriously question.. how did he get elected mayor?

[Bozo_Casanova 26848]

6 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

Seriously question.. how did he get elected mayor?

Well, first he got 73%, and then he got 66%. He's popular. 
It's stupid for him to run for president, but from the outside looking in he appears to be good  enough mayor. 

[Incredulity 11876]

14 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

fuck you.

[David Dennison 19536]

5 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

A worse version of Trump could just as easily run in 2024 if Bernie drastically changes a bunch of things.   I think that’s actually more likely.  More people are going to be upset and embrace extremist views in response to major disruption than in response to more or less keeping the status quo with some small tweaks.  

It might be Donald Trump.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

7 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Absolutely pathetic.

 

I'm confused.  For what reason would Booker be doing this? 

[tantric superman 4668]

5 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I'm confused.  For what reason would Booker be doing this? 

Let it not be said that Cory doesn't like the blond ladies.

[Patrick Bateman 3966]

Lizzie on the warpath.  Bernie weakening a ton, Kamala and Beto look stalled.  Pete is a nice story but ain't happening.

 

[bad_teammate 13519]

Biden, Bernie, Liz is a Top 3 I am happy to see heading into the debate.

Biden must be destroyed.

[EMAWesome 101]

22 hours ago, Jhawk said:

What in the fuck is de Blasio doing? I remember when 16 Republicans was a clown show.

Not a good sign for a Democrat running for president when Whoopi Goldberg and the rest of the coven on The View pretty much turn to the camera and break up laughing while trying to tell their audience you are running for president.

[Pancho 46301]

 

[Jhawk 1075]

Trump down in the polls

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Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.

Conducted after the final presidential debate, the poll finds the Democratic nominee leads Trump among likely voters 51% to 37%, a significant lead over the Republican candidate.

Forgive me if I don't believe the polls this election cycle.  Also... Something something electoral college.

Edited May 17, 2019 by Jhawk

[Jhawk 1075]

21 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

A worse version of Trump could just as easily run in 2024 if Bernie drastically changes a bunch of things.   I think that’s actually more likely.  More people are going to be upset and embrace extremist views in response to major disruption than in response to more or less keeping the status quo with some small tweaks.  

Not to downplay the extremist views on the right side of the aisle, but wouldn't socialism be considered an extremist view on the left side of the aisle?  A pro-life candidate is viewed as extremist by many on the left (I'm pro choice btw), but for some reason the furthest outreaches of the left are never considered extremist.  Bernie is absolutely an extremist candidate so of course anyone running against him would be considered extremist from his spot on the spectrum.

[tantric superman 4668]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Biden, Bernie, Liz is a Top 3 I am happy to see heading into the debate.

Biden must be destroyed.

Warren is going to catch Bernie, and when that happens, Bernie is going to keep dropping.  

 

That being said, anybody have a link to a poll that identifies who has higher negative ratings from Dems and Republs, Bernie or Lizzy? 

Edited May 17, 2019 by tantric superman

[Jhawk 1075]

10 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Warren is going to catch Bernie, and when that happens, Bernie is going to keep dropping.  

I think Warren is a strategic buffoon who is too awkward to make the people like her as a person (not as a politician).  She'll finish in the top 4 with Biden, Bernie, and Pete I think but her and Pete will fall out about the same time.  One of two outcomes happens from there in my mind, Bernie gives the election away like he did in 2016 and eh bernie bros that regretablly cam back for round 2 full on revolt and vote for trump or Bernie wins and gets absolutely smoked by Trump because deep down a lot of the old dog dems think bernie is too progressive.  Dem turnout is LOW with him.  My predictions, nothing to back it up but gut feel and personal analysis of how people will react to essentially the exact same 2 candidates leading the 2020 nomination as the 2016 nomination.

Edited May 17, 2019 by Jhawk

[tantric superman 4668]

1 minute ago, Jhawk said:

I think Warren is a strategic buffoon who is too awkward to make the people like her as a person (not as a politician).  She'll finish in the top 4 with Biden, Bernie, and Pete I think but her and Pete will fall out about the same time.  One of two outcomes happens from there in my mind, Bernie gives the election away like he did in 2016 and eh bernie bros that regretablly cam back for round 2 full on revolt and vote for trump or Bernie wins and gets absolutely smoked by Trump because deep down a lot of the old dog dems think bernie is too progressive.  Dem turnout is LOW with him.  My predictions, nothing to back it up but gut feel.

My gut feel is that Warren is a buffoon, but I'm basing that on my own inherent sexism as well as a hunch that her weird buffoonery might end up appealing to women and millennials.  Because I don't understand either or those two demographics. 

She's an odd duck, but part of me thinks there is a chance that as the field slims down she's get the runoff from those two groups.

 

 

[BradInATX 9208]

2 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

My takeaway here is that there is a hard wall of 41% that will support Trump over just about anyone, and 3% of them are full of shit when they claim they'd vote Biden over Trump.

Give Trump those 3% of full-of-shit voters back and Biden's at 46/41, just like Bernie. Assuming the lower numbers for Warren/Harris/Pete are mostly just on lack of exposure/name recognition yet.

Edited May 17, 2019 by BradInATX

[Js1 87181]

Donald Trump has gold toilets, a fat ass, fake hair, a spray tan, eats steaks will done with ketchup, can't pronounce words longer than 2 syllables or spell things properly in a tweet and couldn't tell you where Niger was on a map but Warren is an unlikeable buffoon. 

Okay. 

[bad_teammate 13519]

20 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Warren is going to catch Bernie, and when that happens, Bernie is going to keep dropping.

Polls are data points, yes, but Bernie isn't going away. He has more volunteers, organizers, and donators than the next few candidates combined. Warren is building a huge machine herself.

Don't confuse the media narrative (and the polling that trails the media narrative) with primary/caucus vote predictions.

[BradInATX 9208]

10 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

I think Warren is a strategic buffoon who is too awkward to make the people like her as a person (not as a politician).  She'll finish in the top 4 with Biden, Bernie, and Pete I think but her and Pete will fall out about the same time.  One of two outcomes happens from there in my mind, Bernie gives the election away like he did in 2016 and eh bernie bros that regretablly cam back for round 2 full on revolt and vote for trump or Bernie wins and gets absolutely smoked by Trump because deep down a lot of the old dog dems think bernie is too progressive.  Dem turnout is LOW with him.  My predictions, nothing to back it up but gut feel and personal analysis of how people will react to essentially the exact same 2 candidates leading the 2020 nomination as the 2016 nomination.

I agree with most of this. I think Biden would capture enough of the Obama->Trump voters back to win the rust belt and the election. There's a group of Obama->Trump voters that either wouldn't vote for a woman or bought into the years-long anti-Hillary campaign, that Joe would get back fairly easily. Those people are idiots, but we need their votes.

The way Warren is attacking Trump out on the stump is tremendous and everyone should be watching her. But I still believe she's mistake prone and easily baitable by Trump. She is going to look terribly uncharismatic on a stage next to Trump, and that matters, even if it shouldn't.

[tantric superman 4668]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Don't confuse the media narrative (and the polling that trails the media narrative) with primary/caucus vote predictions.

I'm trying not too. 

My little brain is processing it as follows:  Mayor Pete is going to gain on Biden for the moderate vote.

Warren is going to gain on Bernie for the progressives.  But I'll caveat that statement by making the assumption that her wonkishness, and her silly comanche stuff don't really matter to voters - the undecided progressives will gradually go to her as opposed to Bernie. 

[Patrick Bateman 3966]

Struggling..... In a show of unity Corey Booker was actually encouraging donations to Gillibrand so she could get enough to be in the debates.

 

[BradInATX 9208]

13 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

the undecided progressives

Do these exist? I don't mean this as a shot at all. But I think most progressives probably already know what they'll be doing next year. Totally anecdotal, but it seems that way to me.

I think the people who still can be won are folks who are general left-leaners who are not hard left (AKA shitlib centrists), or anti-Trumpers like some of our former-Republicans on the board.

The only way Bernie or Warren wins is if there's only one of them left and the rest of the field stays huge throughout, splitting the more moderate vote. Biden's surge makes that apparent, at least IMO. If you look at the crosstabs from the primary polling, it supports what I'm saying. Only 14% of primary voters want a candidate who is left of Obama. Bernie and Warren will get those 14% between them, plus some in-betweeners. Looks to me like 20-25% nationally is their ceiling, between them both.

Edited May 17, 2019 by BradInATX

[bad_teammate 13519]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Struggling..... In a show of unity Corey Booker was actually encouraging donations to Gillibrand so she could get enough to be in the debates.

 

Raising money for an opponent is a pretty strong tell of how hard you're going to sell out to Republicans if elected.

The grift is real.

[Red Five 41737]

I’m no political scientist, per se, but what this tells me is that Cory Booker desperately wants to have a threeway with Rosario Dawson and Kirsten Gillibrand.

[wildcat09 29579]

On 5/14/2019 at 10:52 PM, Thetexashammer said:

Here's your leading candidate. This isn't "57 states", this is another thing entirely. He isn't all there. He's not mentally holding it together. I don't think that's any impediment to victory, but it's just a good thing to know.

 

You voted for Trump and will do so again. Maybe sit this one out.

[Jhawk 1075]

2 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

My gut feel is that Warren is a buffoon, but I'm basing that on my own inherent sexism as well as a hunch that her weird buffoonery might end up appealing to women and millennials.  Because I don't understand either or those two demographics. 

She's an odd duck, but part of me thinks there is a chance that as the field slims down she's get the runoff from those two groups.

 

 

You sound like Beto haha.

I haven't followed her that much other than knowing that her entire political career is based on attacking wall street.  Which isn't a bad cause for getting elected.  But between the Native American thing and the having a beer with her husband thing I just can't see her being anything but awkward when dealing with adversity on the trail.  She couldn't even look natural announcing her candidacy.

[wildcat09 29579]

4 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Not a good sign for a Democrat running for president when Whoopi Goldberg and the rest of the coven on The View pretty much turn to the camera and break up laughing while trying to tell their audience you are running for president.

Very brave of you to admit that you watch The View.