2020 Democratic Nominee

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

I’d encourage any D candidate to not incorporate the words “fake news” into their arguments.

[Bozo_Casanova 26276]

Oh, shit

[bad_teammate 13132]

lol Booker is such a dunce

 

[Celery Man 20882]

seems like you could say some nice sounding words about empathy and compassion without minimizing the a)actual poverty of the young and working class and b)slow backslide into poverty of the middle class, which btw seems like something that dem candidates should raise as a concern since GOP folks will never stop talking about Trumps kickass economy (which is about as good for average Americans as Texas' athletic department profits are for average Longhorns).

Edited May 20, 2019 by Celery Man

[zork 629]

7 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

seems like you could say some nice sounding words about empathy and compassion without minimizing the a)actual poverty of the young and working class and b)slow backslide into poverty of the middle class, which btw seems like something that dem candidates should raise as a concern since GOP folks will never stop talking about Trumps kickass economy (which is about as good for average Americans as Texas' athletic department profits are for average Longhorns).

One might say there is a spending problem in the LH athletic department as well.  The money coming in has never been better for the Feds or LH athletics.

[bad_teammate 13132]

Joe is right, the Republicans are going to wake up and want to work across the aisle if Trump loses.

 

[Guest Lobo]

So the Grim Reaper is a bourbon-aged turtle afraid of women's vaginas?  Why do I suddenly no longer fear death?  Who's up for vodka and blow tonight?  

[Mojo Hand 4580]

19 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

lol Booker is such a dunce

 

Booker seems to think his path to victory is the Marianne Williamson lane. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

Nice poll for Warren. 

Her emergence is not good for Bernie. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2019 by Hank Kingsley

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

Useful reminder, from new qpoll:

% of voters who "haven't heard enough" to form an opinion about:

Trump: 2%

poll confirms what everybody already knows - 98% of america has heard enough.

[American Swindle 102]

But Putin!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Poor Tulsi, already playing the victim.  She should definitely be president 

[bad_teammate 13132]

17 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Nice poll for Warren. 

Her emergence is not good for Bernie.

Q Poll 04/30

Biden - 38
Sanders - 11
Warren - 12
Harris - 8
Buttigieg - 10
O'Rourke - 5

Q Poll 05/21

Biden - 35 (-3)
Sanders - 16 (+5)
Warren - 13 (+1)
Harris - 8 (even)
Buttigieg - 5 (-5)
O'Rourke - 2 (-3)

If Warren is climbing among monied, very liberal whites, that's taking from Buttigieg, not Bernie. Bernie's strongest support is among non-whites and sub-$100k folks.

[Js1 85095]

The Great White Hopes of Pete and Beto down a combined 8 points.

Cue upset housewives crying into their pinot grigio.  The gays are fine, they do that most days. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

31 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Q Poll 04/30

Biden - 38
Sanders - 11
Warren - 12
Harris - 8
Buttigieg - 10
O'Rourke - 5

Q Poll 05/21

Biden - 35 (-3)
Sanders - 16 (+5)
Warren - 13 (+1)
Harris - 8 (even)
Buttigieg - 5 (-5)
O'Rourke - 2 (-3)

If Warren is climbing among monied, very liberal whites, that's taking from Buttigieg, not Bernie. Bernie's strongest support is among non-whites and sub-$100k folks.

Everyone is still kind of within the margin of error 5 point spread so the perceived movement might not be that statistically significant. What was the polling the month prior? 

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Q Poll 04/30

Biden - 38
Sanders - 11
Warren - 12
Harris - 8
Buttigieg - 10
O'Rourke - 5

Q Poll 05/21

Biden - 35 (-3)
Sanders - 16 (+5)
Warren - 13 (+1)
Harris - 8 (even)
Buttigieg - 5 (-5)
O'Rourke - 2 (-3)

If Warren is climbing among monied, very liberal whites, that's taking from Buttigieg, not Bernie. Bernie's strongest support is among non-whites and sub-$100k folks.

I'd guess Warren is taking from Buttigieg and Bernie in this poll. 

Also here is net favoribility: 

 

Biden: +10

Buttigieg: +4

Harris: -3

Sanders: -7

Booker: -8

Warren: -9

O'Rourke: -12

 

Pete's got a TON of work to do, but still has a lot of potential to move up significantly.  I think his chances to win the primary are tied to Biden hopefully falling off the map at some point. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

 

 

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

This whole thing feels kinda like when you're watching a basketball game and a team is getting blown out, but manage to hit a few 3's in a row and the announcers pretend to get excited and exclaim that "THE LEAD IS NOW DOWN TO 20!"  Each candidate will have their moment that brings a temporary thrill, but it just feels like Biden is SO FAR ahead.  

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

Still convinced this primary truly begins on June 26th/27th with the first debates. A good or bad moment for a candidate will be incredibly amplified. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This whole thing feels kinda like when you're watching a basketball game and a team is getting blown out, but manage to hit a few 3's in a row and the announcers pretend to get excited and exclaim that "THE LEAD IS NOW DOWN TO 20!"  Each candidate will have their moment that brings a temporary thrill, but it just feels like Biden is SO FAR ahead.  

Biden’s strategy is to not lose.  He’s playing prevent defense with the Aggy secondary.  He might win but this is far from over. 

[Fozzz 152]

On 5/19/2019 at 11:58 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tulsi continues to be the obvious troll candidate 

The treatment of her by the media is disgusting.  

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

Whether it's MSM or "alt-media" on the left, it seems like almost every major D candidate has been treated unfairly. Feels like Warren is the only one (so far) that has avoided getting in someone's crosshairs. 

 

[Fozzz 152]

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The Gabbard campaign has received 75,000 individual donations. This crazy Beast article is based on (maybe) three of them.

The three names are professor Stephen Cohen, activist Sharon Tennison and someone using the name “Goofy Grapes,” who may or may not have once worked for comedian Lee Camp, currently employed by Russia Today.

This vicious little article might have died a quiet death, except ABC’s George Stephanopoulos regurgitated it in an interview with Gabbard days later. The This Week host put up the Beast headline in a question about whether or not Gabbard was “softer” on Putin than other candidates.

I don't think Biden, Harris, Beta, Mayor Pete, etc., are being smeared this egregiously by the press.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/taibbi-tulsi-gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/

[Hank Kingsley 20678]

Yeah, Gabbard is probably getting picked on the most. It's not fair, but is it surprising? She's running a campaign targeting "neocons and neolibs" and her message is dominated by a strong anti-imperialism stance (which I respect and admire BTW).  If there's one thing the majority of Americans love, it's that we are the United States of Fucking America. Her message is crucial, but this country doesn't seem ready for it yet. 

 

[F250 28679]

28 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Biden’s strategy is to not lose.  He’s playing prevent defense with the Aggy secondary.  He might win but this is far from over. 

Who is coach Orgeron in this scenario?

Is Beto the LSU assistant that gets punched in the pacemaker?

I'm guessing the DNC are the refs that were in the tank for aggy.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Tulsi is her own worst enemy.  She says shit that makes it hard to take her seriously.  The Kremlin is clearly trying to boost her campaign, for whatever reason (I don’t know), but she’s not forcefully denouncing and rejecting their efforts.  I’m not saying she’s a Russia asset or anything but she’s too much of an apologist and false equivalency stooge for some pretty bad guys. 

Edited May 22, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Fozzz 152]

Putin puppet!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

6 minutes ago, F250 said:

Who is coach Orgeron in this scenario?

Is Beto the LSU assistant that gets punched in the pacemaker?

I'm guessing the DNC are the refs that were in the tank for aggy.

Not a bad analogy.  I still blame LSU for losing, they had plenty of opportunities to win. 

[henrygandorf 29174]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tulsi is her own worst enemy.  She says shit that makes it hard to take her seriously.  The Kremlin is clearly trying to boost her campaign, for whatever reason (I don’t know), but she’s not forcefully denouncing and rejecting their efforts.  I’m not saying she’s a Russia asset anything but she’s too much of an apologist and false equivalency stooge for some pretty bad guys. 

nixon chose his opponents. maybe trump is trying to as well?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

nixon chose his opponents. maybe trump is trying to as well?

Trump is trying to pick his opponents like every authoritarian but Tulsi isn’t in his calculation.  I see her as more of a Jill Stein useful idiot disruptive candidate that Russia wants to juice a little. 

[Fozzz 152]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

nixon chose his opponents. maybe trump is trying to as well?

Can't tell if this is a joke or if you, like Hugo, are in need of medical attention.  

[henrygandorf 29174]

10 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Can't tell if this is a joke or if you, like Hugo, are in need of medical attention.  

if you can't tell the difference by now, i can't help you.

[American Swindle 102]

Poor Tulsi, already playing the victim.  She should definitely be president 

Are you always intentionally obtuse?




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[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Not as much as Tulsi. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

*planet is melting everyone is fat, poor, and dying of opiod addictions*

Democrats: "I've got it!"

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Interesting that 2011 def vote against Obama is equivalent to the size of Trump’s current base.

[Aqua Buddha 14501]

There was a fivethirtyeight link to a poll floating around here that documented Trump's faves and unfaves compared to other presidents and his unfaves are significantly higher than anyone in history, except Bush late into his second term.  They start off in the mid 50's from Day 1 and haven't moved.

This election might be a blood bath, especially as he becomes more unhinged.  I can see him refusing to debate Biden (or whoever) and just campaigns by going to rallies.  Meanwhile, the Democratic nominee just runs a normal campaign talking about issues like health care.

[American Swindle 102]

On 5/19/2019 at 11:58 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tulsi continues to be the obvious troll candidate 

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Last week, the Daily Beast ran this headline: “Tulsi Gabbard’s Campaign Is Being Boosted by Putin Apologists”

That was followed by the sub headline: “The Hawaii congresswoman is quickly becoming the top candidate for Democrats who think the Russian leader is misunderstood.”

The Gabbard campaign has received 75,000 individual donations. This crazy Beast article is based on (maybe) three of them.

The three names are professor Stephen Cohen, activist Sharon Tennison and someone using the name “Goofy Grapes,” who may or may not have once worked for comedian Lee Camp, currently employed by Russia Today.

 

 

 

 If you can't see how the media is trying to control the narrative on Tulsi being a Putin apologist then you are either trolling or obtuse.  My bet's on the latter.  

[elguapo 4583]

I don't think Tulsi is a Putin puppet, but she does appear to be Putin's favorite Dem candidate.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261

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The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 U.S. election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat who earlier this month declared her intention to run for president in 2020.

An NBC News analysis of the main English-language news sites employed by Russia in its 2016 election meddling shows Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, who is set to make her formal announcement Saturday, has become a favorite of the sites Moscow used when it interfered in 2016.

Puty's ultimate goal is to break up NATO and it's definitely interesting that Tulsi refrained from voting on the NATO support bill.

https://votesmart.org/candidate/129306/tulsi-gabbard?categoryId=22#.XOWPlchKiUl

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:Tulsi Gabbard did not vote - HR 676 - NATO Support Act

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

12 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

 If you can't see how the media is trying to control the narrative on Tulsi being a Putin apologist then you are either trolling or obtuse.  My bet's on the latter.  

Well “Russia Today”, the Russian government media, loves Tulsi.  I don’t know why that is but it’s an observation and Tulsi is saying it’s “fake news”.  So who is being obtuse? 

Her pretending like this isn’t happening or significant is insulting.

She can at least acknowledge it’s occurring and say something like, “I have no control over what Russia media does and I don’t want or need their support.”

[American Swindle 102]

Well “Russia Today”, the Russian government media, loves Tulsi.  I don’t know why that is but it’s an observation and Tulsi is saying it’s “fake news”.  So who is being obtuse? 

Her pretending like this isn’t happening or significant is insulting.
She can at least acknowledge it’s occurring and say something like, “I have no control over what Russia media does and I don’t want or need their support.”

Here’s Bernie doing what you call “trolling” lol

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

These are just coincidences tho...

Edited May 22, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Fozzz 152]

lmao

[Guest Lobo]

When the hell are those pics from?  

[henrygandorf 29174]

quite the endorsement.

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She can at least acknowledge it’s occurring and say something like, “I have no control over what Russia media does and I don’t want or need their support.”

As I said in the Bernie thread when you were melting down over his ~*~*~ Russian Connections ~*~*~, her saying this would do no good. You cannot reason and logic someone out of a position they didn't reason and logic their way into.