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No it doesn't, this is absurd selfishness on a grand scale. Nobody is getting punished. My wife and I paid off our student loans, and you know what I think about younger people or even those in our ge

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i’ve really enjoyed the 900 posts from bt explaining how bernie people aren’t aggressive, obsessive, and very-online.  truly a learning experience. 

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3rd or 4th thread but whos counting.  Name recognition and ability to collect money is most important to the Democratic Party. They aren't trying to win 2020, they are trying to rebuild and colle

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Medicare-for-All phase-in under Sanders's plan: Year 1: Expanded Medicare for 0-18 and 55+

Year 2: 45-54 rolled in

Year 3: 35-44 rolled in

Year 4: 19-34 rolled in

Of course, it could just all be rolled in the first year.

Please use a specific argument as to how the Wyden-Bennett plan would move more quickly. I have seen nothing about the speed of its planned implementation.

And also, could you please answer these questions...

 

bozo, can you tell me what votes the Democrats would get on the other side of the aisle for ANY of those alternatives that they wouldn't get for Medicare for All?

Can you tell me which of those plans wouldn't be characterized as radical socialist government intervention by Trump (and, by extension, all Republicans)?

This has been enough of a threadjack and it’s clear you aren’t all that interested in the weeds of healthcare policy so I’m not going to get further into it here than I already have, but w/r/t your last point -I don’t give a fuck how healthcare reforms or anything else is “characterized” by Republicans. The GOP has called every Democrat president since 1917 a socialist and will characterize anything as socialism. They even characterized cap and trade and ACA (their own plan) as socialism. Who cares?

It’s the job of elected Democrats to sell a plan to the public on the merits and use the power they have at points of maximum leverage, not persuade people intractably opposed to progress and compassion to change their minds. One of the reasons Democrats lose so fucking much is that they have victim mentality and don’t hold themselves accountable for winning.

 

 

 

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Just curious. Do people think Medicare for All will be Free Healthcare?
The difference in polling when asked just a basic "do you support m4a" vs. when asked "do you support m4a if it means higher taxes" would indicate that about 35% of people do indeed believe just that.
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What would that proposal do to the blockgrant burden of most states?  That would change the need for state income taxes, literally over night.  Or at least their rates/brackets.  

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12 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Donald Trump is the actual President but it’s on the Democrats to “act” presidential.

I’m so tired of this timeline.

Just like how Democrats always have to explain how they will pay for things, but no one asks Republicans how they will pay for a wall or tax cuts or massive ICE deportation forces or wars.

ThE mEdiA iS iN tHe TaNk FoR dEmOcRaTs

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3 minutes ago, NowThis said:

her rehearsed act and needless attacks were offputting to me. She comes across as a nasty angry bitch, understand Oakland politics and you get her. Also, too much bling. 

Rehearsed

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Angry

Bitch

Too much bling

 

Right out of the sexist handbook. 

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her rehearsed act and needless attacks were offputting to me. She comes across as a nasty angry bitch, understand Oakland politics and you get her. Also, too much bling. 


Do you ever get laid?

Because FYI, women can smell the kind of disdain and hatred that you hold for women.

Did you call Swallwell a “nasty angry bitch” for his rehearsed attacks on Mayor Pete? How about Castro for not only attacking Beto but lying while doing it?

No?

And nice racist cherry on top of your misogynistic shitpile with the quip about “too much bling”.

You need to head to your local pet store and get your dog whistle checked out. It’s way too loud and out of tune to be effective.
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11 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Did you call Swallwell a “nasty angry bitch” for his rehearsed attacks on Mayor Pete? How about Castro for not only attacking Beto but lying while doing it?

 

i've heard swalwell called a lot worse and it's not even noon yet.

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2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Biden is starting his Jeb Bush slide awfully early, and with little effort from the other candidates.

There’s a reason his other runs failed badly and Obama didn’t try harder to get him to run in 2016 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I don't expect this Kamala love to last very long. We'll see. 

 

 

There's an article I saw today (forgot who it was), that said her team really saw how people reacted to her getting personal ("I was that little girl") that you will see her open up more about her upbringing and personal life.  

Also, I'm still way into seeing her and her husband own SF Pride.  No one had as much fun this weekend as she did. 

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Just now, Js1 said:

There's an article I saw today (forgot who it was), that said her team really saw how people reacted to her getting personal ("I was that little girl") that you will see her open up more about her upbringing and personal life.  

That's good. My initial impressions are I don't find her very genuine and I don't think she believes what she's selling. Hopefully getting to know her more will shine a more positive light. 

 

 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

That's good. My initial impressions are I don't find her very genuine and I don't think she believes what she's selling. Hopefully getting to know her more will shine a more positive light. 

Unlike Warren, Kamala doesn’t pass the central tests for me yet:

“Is she a good person in it for the right reasons?”

”Do I trust her?”

Kamala checks a lot of boxes and reminds me of an ambitious version of Obama/Hillary.  She could certainly beat Trump but she still has a lot to prove IMO. 

Nevertheless, she’s currently in my top 2. 

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12 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Maybe everybody is already past this, but no matter how well Pete speaks the language I can’t shake the idea that a lot of voters are going to have in the back of their mind, “Yeah, but he’s the thirty something Mayor of South Bend, Indiana.”  

I know we have Trump right now, who wasn’t even a politician, but I don’t think everyone is ultimately going to be cool with the idea of a young guy rocketing straight from small town mayor to leader of the free world.  

I think Harris is going to be in a better position to take the shaky Biden votes.  A lot of the old people will probably just stick with Biden, but olds don’t dominate the Democrat voting base like they do the GOP. 

If Biden falters quickly while Bernie and Warren both stay in and split the far left votes, Harris could really thrive.

Saw an example of this yesterday.  Some relatives, older reliable Democrats, were discussing the debate and almost universally agreed that they liked "the little guy," but would prefer someone more experienced.  He'll definitely get their vote if he's the nominee, but I think he has a huge struggle ahead of him to get there.  Would love if he did, though.

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6 minutes ago, Skyline said:

Pete's pulling in big amounts of money. He's going to have some staying power. 

Yep, he’s buying himself time. For Pete to have a chance he needs to have continued national exposure. He’s already qualified for the next 2 debates.

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Per CNN:

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Biden dropped from 49% to 36% with black voters, while Harris jumped from 6% to 24%

That's big.  Big big big.
 

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Still over 20% of black voters have no opinion of Harris (only true for less than 10% of black voters for Biden).  

29% trust Harris on race relations compared to 23% on Biden. 

 

The black voter myth about Biden may have shattered a bit. 

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