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8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

If you're going to get mad at Liz, at least make it real.

Her pattern of filibustering non-answers to hard questions coming from her left is bad.

#DoBetter

Warren’s answer: Voting to ‘spend less’ on defense does nothing to address the who and how of the money being spent.  She tackles the crux of it instead - corrupt control of spending.  That is far more important than relative increases or decreases in appropriations.

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10 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Warren’s answer: Voting to ‘spend less’ on defense does nothing to address the who and how of the money being spent.

It 100% does.

If less is being spent, there is more accountability for how the money is used. When cuts are made to a program, more attention is paid to the utility and purpose of those things that were chosen to remain. This is basic, basic stuff.

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 She tackles the crux of it instead - corrupt control of spending.  That is far more important than relative increases or decreases in appropriations.

What does that have to do with her actual votes, which she was being asked about? Was she "tackling" corruption when she voted for the spending increases?

Voting for incessant increases in the overall military budget only creates more opportunity and incentive for corruption. Again, this is basic stuff.

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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It 100% does.

If less is being spent, there is more accountability for how the money is used. When cuts are made to a program, more attention is paid to the utility and purpose of those things that were chosen to remain. This is basic, basic stuff.

What does that have to do with her actual votes, which she was being asked about? Was she "tackling" corruption when she voted for the spending increases?

Voting for incessant increases in the overall military budget only creates more opportunity and incentive for corruption. Again, this is basic stuff.

Appropriating less does nothing to change the established power flow.  

You say it creates accountability ? How ?

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3 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Appropriating less does nothing to change the established power flow.

Does appropriating MORE change the established power flow?

Reducing the appropriations decreases the room for corruption

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You say it creates accountability ? How ?

By reducing the overall amount of funding, greater attention is paid to what is actually spent. When overall funding increases with each new request, there is no pressure to control or monitor spending.

If you make $200k/year, you don't care how much your're spending on TV and pizza. If you start making $80k/year, you pay more attention.

I don't know how this is confusing.

I answered yours, so please answer the one I asked:

What does that have to do with her actual votes, which she was being asked about? Was she "tackling" corruption when she voted for the spending increases?

 

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

SUPER weird stuff in that poll...

vs. Trump

Biden +10
Yang +8 (what!?)
Bernie +5
Harris +2
Warren -2 (what!?)

Bizarre.

Emerson is a very weird poll.  Remember in 2016 when they had McMullin winning Utah over Trump and Clinton? 

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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not absurd, just dark and worrying.

Also, I had no idea they had McMuffin winning Utah that is hilarious. He did get within like 5 or 6 points of Hilldawg IIRC

On October 19, they had it McMullin 31 - Trump 27 - Clinton 24 .

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That poll seems like bullshit to me. Not even any specific candidate,  just across the board. There's no way I believe every Dem is above Trump, some by 6 percent. Texas is full of people who will pretend not to like him then vote for him because they just can't let the dangerous socialist win.

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14 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

That poll seems like bullshit to me. Not even any specific candidate,  just across the board. There's no way I believe every Dem is above Trump, some by 6 percent. Texas is full of people who will pretend not to like him then vote for him because they just can't let the dangerous socialist win.

Oh it's not that bullshit.  The Democrats average 45%. Trump averages 42%.  So ~13% undecided or third party.  It's Texas, so, of that 13%:

70% will go to Trump - now he's at 51.1
20% will go to the Democrat - now they are at 47.6
The rest will go third party - ~1.3%

If you don't force them to pick, a good chunk of Republicans will just say "undecided or third party" and then 80% vote for Trump.  The 2020 vote in Texas looking like Trump +3-4 would not be too surprising honestly. 

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The way Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina go will likely influence the polls in the other states the most.  

The Iowa results will likely cut the field down by more than half.

Where are all those Castro, Yang, Booker, Klobuchar, Steyer, Bennett, Williamson, voters going to go?  They have to make up 10%+ collectively.

Castro and Beto will probably stay in until Texas and Harris will hang around until at least California.  

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Oh it's not that bullshit.  The Democrats average 45%. Trump averages 42%.  So ~13% undecided or third party.  It's Texas, so, of that 13%:

70% will go to Trump - now he's at 51.1
20% will go to the Democrat - now they are at 47.6
The rest will go third party - ~1.3%

If you don't force them to pick, a good chunk of Republicans will just say "undecided or third party" and then 80% vote for Trump.  The 2020 vote in Texas looking like Trump +3-4 would not be too surprising honestly. 

Yeah, that's about what I'd expect to see too.

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The way Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina go will likely influence the polls in the other states the most.  

The Iowa results will likely cut the field down by more than half.

Where are all those Castro, Yang, Booker, Klobuchar, Steyer, Bennett, Williamson, voters going to go?  They have to make up 10%+ collectively.

Castro and Beto will probably stay in until Texas and Harris will hang around until at least California.  

Which is the exact same day - Super Tuesday. 

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50 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh it's not that bullshit.  The Democrats average 45%. Trump averages 42%.  So ~13% undecided or third party.  It's Texas, so, of that 13%:

70% will go to Trump - now he's at 51.1
20% will go to the Democrat - now they are at 47.6
The rest will go third party - ~1.3%

If you don't force them to pick, a good chunk of Republicans will just say "undecided or third party" and then 80% vote for Trump.  The 2020 vote in Texas looking like Trump +3-4 would not be too surprising honestly. 

In 2016 Libertarians had 283,492 and McMullin had 42,366 combining for 3.6% of the vote. In 2012 Libertarians only had 88,580 so there were around 250,000 never Trumpers who threw away their vote. I suspect there will be even more this time.

That alone could swing the election since Beto got within 215,000. The Greens also were at 71.558 in 2016 versus 24,647 in 2012, so some Democrats threw away vote as well in the other direction. Those votes will probably go back to the Democratic candidate this time, but some idiots will still vote green.

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Tulsi has been labeled a progressive and has been defended/supported by progressives for a long time, including segments on The Young Turks. 

Funny to watch the TYT people squirm as they analyze her interview with Rubin. Some highlights: she's for late term abortion restrictions, agrees that Democrats don't love America, agrees that Democrats are for "open borders", and the left wants to get rid of all guns. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Tulsi has been labeled a progressive and has been defended/supported by progressives for a long time, including segments on The Young Turks. 

Funny to watch the TYT people squirm as they analyze her interview with Rubin. Some highlights: she's for late term abortion restrictions, agrees that Democrats don't love America, agrees that Democrats are for "open borders", and the left wants to get rid of all guns. 

 

 

Bigger troll candidate than her #1 supporter here 

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16 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Tulsi has been labeled a progressive and has been defended/supported by progressives for a long time, including segments on The Young Turks. 

Funny to watch the TYT people squirm as they analyze her interview with Rubin. Some highlights: she's for late term abortion restrictions, agrees that Democrats don't love America, agrees that Democrats are for "open borders", and the left wants to get rid of all guns. 

 

 

My favorite schtick is seeing Tulsi stans call Elizabeth Warren a warmongering neoliberal shill. 

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Oh it's not that bullshit.  The Democrats average 45%. Trump averages 42%.  So ~13% undecided or third party.  It's Texas, so, of that 13%:
70% will go to Trump - now he's at 51.1
20% will go to the Democrat - now they are at 47.6
The rest will go third party - ~1.3%
If you don't force them to pick, a good chunk of Republicans will just say "undecided or third party" and then 80% vote for Trump.  The 2020 vote in Texas looking like Trump +3-4 would not be too surprising honestly. 

I think this is spot-on. Really, this is a bullseye.
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My favorite cherry picked piece of data out of today’s Texas Q poll. 

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Every demographic category:  liberal, moderate, conservative, men, women, white, black, Hispanic, rich, poor, young, and old.

Warren leads in best ideology among this sample of Texans.

https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=3640

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