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22 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The Bernie Bros. could end up being a problem. There will be Sanders supporters that won't vote D if he's not on the ticket. 

These people disgust me. Get over yourself and compromise like the rest of us adults have to do on a daily basis. I am having to unfollow people like this on twitter who just shit on "establishment" or allegedly defective progressives in their feed. It's as if they give no fucks that Trump is president and our country, constitution, and institutions are being disgraced and mocked on a daily basis. Seriously, what fucking world do you live in where ANY democrat is more of a concern than Trump (and his enablers)?

Berniebros, after we get rid of Trump, avert World War III, and clean up the corruption/treason/malfeasance vomit/shit puddle he and his cronies left behind, we will have all the time in the world to fight about the soul/control of the progressive platform. In the meantime, show up and fucking vote. Better yet, campaign for all progressives up and down the ballot, even the non-Bernies. Your crosshairs are on the wrong guy.

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Grandioso

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Bernie is like an awesome band like the Stones that you listen to, support, and love - except the band has a fanbase that operates like Ariana Grande's hyper-defensive teenage girl twitter militia. It almost makes you question the band because all the most fanatical followers suck so bad. 

Sorry, but I'm still purging 2016 resentment toward the Bernie people who allegedly cared about progressive values so much that they stayed home on election day or voted Jill Stein. I get the distrust of Hillary/the establishment and that resentment. I sympathize. But anyone who didn't vote in the general because Bernie wasn't the D candidate can get fucked. 

I learned my lesson when I voted for Ralph Nader at age 18. I was told there was essentially "no difference" between Bush and Gore. They were both beholden to corporate interests and two sides of the same coin. Voting for a third party candidate was the only way to really send a message that the two party system wasn't working. The democrats simply did not offer a meaningful alternative to republicans. I heard all of the rationales. I voted in Texas, so my vote made no difference, but Nader likely spoiled that fucking election. And think of how insanely consequential that election became post-911. Iraq, massive deficits, US (then worldwide) economic collapse. So unless Al Gore would have gone to war with Iraq while cutting taxes, increasing spending, and deregulating banks and financial institutions, there did seem to be a difference. This "lesser of two evils" thing turned out to be a game I needed to get used to playing. Maybe it's not wise to throw one's vote into a paper shredder just to "make a point."

If Bernie gets the nomination, I will be fucking first in line to vote for him even though "Bernie or Bust" people make me ragey. I just don't get these people. No matter how liberal or bona fide you insist you are, anyone who would actively make a decision that politically benefits Donald Trump might as well be Sean Hannity in my book. Worse than useless. To repurpose a phrase from the alt-right: fuck your feelings. 

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13 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Bernie will run but he won’t win the nomination and he knows it. Biden/Beto should promise to name him secretary of labor which he would love to get. As would I frankly as corporate power has gone too far. 

Honestly, I'd be ok with that.

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On December 22, 2018 at 8:32 PM, Celery Man said:

Also this -


The government of the greatest country the world has ever known, the wealthiest, most powerful nation on the planet: closed until further notice.

This shutdown – hundreds of thousands of our fellow Americans working without pay during the holidays, basic government functions no longer available to the taxpayers who fund them – didn’t have to happen. The Senate passed a compromise government funding bill two days ago, 100–0. The men and women who can’t agree on what to name a post office were able to unite and unanimously agree on how to fund the entire government.

But maybe it was intended to happen.

Maybe in the face of an investigation that seeks the facts surrounding allegations of collusion with a foreign government and obstruction of justice within our own government… as one aide after another pleads guilty… as the stock market tumbles… as men and women intent on keeping their dignity and their conscience flee his administration… perhaps the President calculates that by adding to the blizzard of bizarre behavior over the last two years and shutting down the government at Christmas, while his own party still controls each branch of it, the institutions that we need for our democracy to function (and to ensure no man is above the law) will be overwhelmed.

From a President who promised action, we got distraction.

But my concern for the country goes beyond the immediate pain and dysfunction that this shutdown will cause. Beyond even ensuring that this President is held accountable. What’s happening now is part of a larger threat to us all.

If our institutions no longer work, if we no longer have faith in them, if there’s no way to count on government even functioning (three shutdowns this year alone), then perhaps ultimately we become open to something else. Whatever we choose to call it, whether we openly acknowledge it at all, my fear is that we will choose certainty, strength and predictability over this constant dysfunction, even if it comes at the price of our democracy (the press; the ballot box; the courts; congress and representative government).

If there were ever a man to exploit this precarious moment for our country and our form of government, it’s Trump. Sending 5,400 troops to U.S. border communities during the midterm elections. Organizing Border Patrol “crowd control” exercises in El Paso on election day. Defying our laws by taking children from their parents, keeping kids in tent camps, turning back refugees at our ports. Calling the press “the enemy of the people” and celebrating violence against members of the media. Pitting Americans against each other based on race and religion and immigration status. Inviting us to hate openly, to call Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, to call asylum seekers animals, to describe Klansmen and neo-Nazis as very fine people. Seeking to disenfranchise fellow Americans with made up fears of voter fraud. Isolating us from the other great democracies as he cozies up to dictators and thugs. Lying again and again. Making a mockery of the United States – once the indispensable nation, the hope of mankind.

So we can engage in the immediate fights about blame for this latest shutdown… fall into his arguments about a wall, or steel slats, at a time of record border security and in the face of asylum seekers – our neighbors – fleeing the deadliest countries in the world… we can respond to his name-calling and grotesque, bizarre behavior… or we can pull up, look back at this moment from the future and see exactly what is happening to our country.

We are at risk of losing those things that make us special, unique, exceptional, those things that make us the destination for people the world over, looking for a better life and fleeing countries who lack our institutions, our rule of law, our stability.

If ever there was a time to put country over party it is now. This is not about a wall, it’s not about border security, it’s not about Democrats and Republicans. It’s about the future of our country – whether our children and grandchildren will thank us or blame us. Whether we will lose what was fought for, made more perfect, by the men and women who risked and lost their lives at Antietam, on Omaha beach, in Jackson, Mississippi… whether we will be defined by greatness and ambition or pettiness and fear. Whether we will continue to live in the world’s greatest democracy, or something else.

In the short term – let’s pass the funding bill that was agreed to by the Senate 100–0 just a few days ago. Send it to the President with the confidence that we represent the people of this country and that we are willing to override his veto if he cannot respect their will. Show that government can work, that we can see past our immediate differences to serve the greater good. To put country over party. To put country over one man. To do what we were sent here to do.

In the longer term – we must strengthen all of our institutions at the very moment they are called into question. Some clear opportunities for Congress: Ensure that our representatives in government reject PAC money, corporate and special interest influence. Demand that they hold town halls in our communities, listen to and respond to their constituents. Show America that they are working for us and for no one else.

Take action on the most urgent issues of our day: climate change, healthcare, endless war, income inequality, immigration, the vibrancy of rural communities and inner cities, education and criminal justice reform. Define the goal in each area, build the coalition to achieve it, find the common ground (between parties, between branches of government), and move forward. Prove that our system of government – whatever its problems – is still the best thing under the sun.

It’s action vs. distraction. One will save our democracy, the other will lead to its end.

- Beto









PAID FOR BY BETO FOR TEXAS


 

"look back at this moment from the future and see exactly what is happening to our country."

Sadly, that's something a lot of people can't do. Particularly people who like to call themselves conservative. It's ironic because my idea of conservativism means thinking of the big picture, not just the here and now. Think about twenty years from now, not just tomorrow. 

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On 12/23/2018 at 10:14 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

The Bernie Bros. could end up being a problem. There will be Sanders supporters that won't vote D if he's not on the ticket. 

Neither Bernie nor Lizzie have a very viable path to the nomination.  The best thing to happen for the Dems is for both to be taken off the board early and quickly so the party would have enough time for their supporters to recover and get energized once again.  In the meantime, you'll see a lot of Bernie Bro's pieces criticizing other candidates for not being "progressive" or left enough.  Dave Sirota, who wrote the story linked which got this convo started is an unabashed Bernie Bro and has written 3 Beto hit pieces in the last couple of weeks.  If Beto were to be cleared from the board, you'd see them start to demonize Biden.  Here's a more objective look at Beto's voting record.  Read the thread but I'll embed some highlights.

 

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On 12/23/2018 at 5:57 PM, JimmyJames said:

Bernie will run but he won’t win the nomination and he knows it. Biden/Beto should promise to name him secretary of labor which he would love to get. As would I frankly as corporate power has gone too far. 

Curbing corporate power through labor regulations doesn't seem like a particularly smart way to go, although not sure what kind of curbing you expect him to do. 

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On 12/23/2018 at 10:04 PM, Bama Chick said:

He’s a threat to Bernie and his bros.

A much younger, much more charismatic candidate from a red (verging on purple) state with a large number of electoral votes who is running with a grassroots, enthusiastic, and hopeful message?

That’s Bernie’s worst fucking nightmare.

TL;DR - Bernie’s jus jealous.

And Texas and California primaries are now both on Super Tuesday.  That terrifies the Bernie Bros.

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Sign me up.  I think there's a lot of R's that have bailed on the Trumpkins.  Bernie is not somebody I can get behind, but Beto is someone I'd throw my vote and money behind.  Do it Beto. 

Yep.  As a former Republican-turned-independent, he’s somebody I can definitely support.  

And Beto doesn’t have to win Texas.  He just has to help the Dems keep any three of Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.  The bar is not very high thankfully.  

But it’s the Dems. They can still fuck it up.  

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Heard a podcast about Amy Klobuchar.   Kind of had a good first impression of her, but the policies seems standard issue with some odd votes thrown in.

I'm in the mood for a moderate without any crazy, but until both parties come up with some alternate voting methodologies that favor moderates, don't think it will sell.

Going to be tough to watch if the Dems eviscerate themselves this next cycle.  

 

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On 12/24/2018 at 7:07 AM, RayDog said:

The Bernie bros elected Trump, and it looks like they are preparing to reelect him.

I don't see how they can. I am going to vote in the republican primary for any other republican so tRump can be primaried. There will be NO second term. We ALL need to primary the fucker.

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8 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

I don't see how they can. I am going to vote in the republican primary for any other republican so tRump can be primaried. There will be NO second term. We ALL need to primary the fucker.

Yep.  Need to educate the Bernie Bros too. A lot of them are fucking idiots too.  

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28 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep.  Need to educate the Bernie Bros too. A lot of them are fucking idiots too.  

They have not internalized the fact that there will be a lot of progressive choices this time, many of whom are better liked by a camera and more charismatic.

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On 12/20/2018 at 11:22 AM, Chuckie Finster said:

To highlight how dumb the premise of "Candidate X vs. the Democrats!!!" is:

Sen. Warren has voted against a majority of Senate Democrats 99 times (18.2%) in the 115th Congress (2017-18). She ranks 8th among all senators in voting against her party. The average Senate Democrat votes against his or her party 10.3% of the time.

OMG Warren is to the right of Obama!

Well at least she actually voted a majority of the time.........

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14 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Sign me up.  I think there's a lot of R's that have bailed on the Trumpkins.  Bernie is not somebody I can get behind, but Beto is someone I'd throw my vote and money behind.  Do it Beto. 

You and me both friend.

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15 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Don’t sleep on Warren.

She will cut a bitch. 

Not a viable candidate. her Indian DNA double down killed her shot. That made you look pretty silly. Anything less than discovering she was the long lost daughter of Sitting Bull doomed her.  She should be at the FED where she can implement some of the things she's on record as supporting.

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21 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yer god damn right I'm right, and what's more you know it.

Of course you are. But if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's the Democratic party. Warren supporters have either never spent any significant time in the midwest/rust belt, and/or still haven't figured out why Hillary lost.

I have no problem with Warren or her policies. I like her. But she's probably the riskiest nomination, in terms of giving Trump four more years, in the entire theoretical field.

Don't be stupid, Dems. Put up Biden, Klobuchar, or Beto and take the easy W.

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

In my ideal scenario we elect the best person to do the job of POTUS, not the candidate most likely to beat Trump. 

The problem is that to me the best person to do the job of POTUS is a moderate who is going to work toward balancing the budget and would piss off progressives and old Christian motherfuckers. 

In our electoral system, that kind of candidate might make Trump look formidable.

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1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Not a viable candidate. her Indian DNA double down killed her shot. That made you look pretty silly. Anything less than discovering she was the long lost daughter of Sitting Bull doomed her.  She should be at the FED where she can implement some of the things she's on record as supporting.

Lol right, just like ‘grab em by the pussy’ made dipshit too toxic to win.  I wish you were right.  But no.  

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47 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Let’s be honest, anyone but Hillary could defeat Trump now. 

This is wrong. It's not a popular vote. If the Dems nominate someone equally as unpalatable to the rust belt as Hillary was, they will lose again. Warren might play worse than Hillary up there. Kamala Harris definitely would.

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1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

The problem is that to me the best person to do the job of POTUS is a moderate who is going to work toward balancing the budget and would piss off progressives and old Christian motherfuckers. 

In our electoral system, that kind of candidate might make Trump look formidable.

All that, plus a platform that includes reform.  House Dems' HR1 next week is a sweeping reform bill.  That's where we are right now and the coming months will only solidify that as a vital necessity.  It's something we all can support.  Whoever grabs that mantle and pursues it with substance will win.

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1 hour ago, BradInATX said:

This is wrong. It's not a popular vote. If the Dems nominate someone equally as unpalatable to the rust belt as Hillary was, they will lose again. Warren might play worse than Hillary up there. Kamala Harris definitely would.

Laughable.  They will vote for a ham sandwich after two more years of Trump broken promises and 7,000 more lies.

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Laughable.  They will vote for a ham sandwich after two more years of Trump broken promises and 7,000 more lies.

Hope you're right. Don't think you are, but hope so. Don't think it'll matter because I'm fairly confident that Biden and Beto are the only two real contenders for the nomination, and either of them will mudhole Trump.

 

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Laughable.  They will vote for a ham sandwich after two more years of Trump broken promises and 7,000 more lies.

While you’re probably right trumps only possible path to victory is if the dems nominate someone that midwestern whites don’t like. 

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18 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump/GOP will attempt to make the whites not like whoever the democrat nominee is.  It won’t work.  See also Barack Obama.

Right, but it will stick to certain candidates more than others. This isn't rocket surgery. Obama was unbelievably charismatic. Hillary wasn't. 

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Not a viable candidate. her Indian DNA double down killed her shot. That made you look pretty silly. Anything less than discovering she was the long lost daughter of Sitting Bull doomed her.  She should be at the FED where she can implement some of the things she's on record as supporting.


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2 hours ago, BradInATX said:

This is wrong. It's not a popular vote. If the Dems nominate someone equally as unpalatable to the rust belt as Hillary was, they will lose again. Warren might play worse than Hillary up there. Kamala Harris definitely would.

Don’t think they can nominate somebody that bad.  Hell, Trump won MI/WI/PA by 80,000 or so combined votes in 2016, personally campaigned for candidates in those states this year, and still lost those states last month.  

And this is on top of of him being embarrassed in Arizona.   An atheist bisexual Democrat beating a decorated fighter pilot that Trump also personally campaigned for, LOL.

And this is before Trump’s little trade spats truly have an impact on the rust belt.  

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