2020 Democratic Nominee

[henrygandorf 29174]

my favorite part was not just that bennet is claiming which plan he thinks is best, but basically taking credit for it all being his idea.

top level twitter game on an otherwise slow day in politics.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

I swear I had to double check to make sure that was Castro.

He looks completely different from his side profile.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Its a Biden v. Warren race now. The other three, Bernie, Harris and Pete, need one or both of them to implode to win.

Bernie needs Warren to implode to have a shot. Kamala needs Biden to implode to have a shot. Pete needs both to implode and then still trails Bernie and Kamala so he probably needs them to implode too.

Edited September 25, 2019 by JimmyJames

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Maybe it’s just me but it already kinda feels like Warren is the leader of the Democratic Party now.  Albeit unofficial, power resides where people believe it to be. 

Compared to six months ago, Warren now wields massive influence over other democrats. 

Pelosi is the official leader of the Democratic Party but you’d have to be aloof not to see Warren pushing from the outside. 

Edited September 25, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hank Scorpio 17721]

Yeah now that Epstein is dead Warren is probably the leader of the party. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

My favorite attack on Warren is how she was so mean to Hillary Clinton fifteen years ago in a book.   

How dare Elizabeth Warren criticize one of the most hated women in America for precisely the reason people hate her.  Yeah, that’s going to cost her big time!

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

[Bama Chick 28596]

I mean, Liz is my number two and all but she’s been a dick about Hillary much more recently than 15 years ago.

There’s still a not small number of Democratic primary voters who are still PISSED about the way Hillary was treated and those bitches can hold a grudge.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

It’s just so funny because the Berners accuse Warren of being too close to Hillary now.  

I suspect the criticism from both sides isn’t about Hillary but more about how Warren isn’t their preferred candidate. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26271]

I mean, Liz is my number two and all but she’s been a dick about Hillary much more recently than 15 years ago.

There’s still a not small number of Democratic primary voters who are still PISSED about the way Hillary was treated and those bitches can hold a grudge.

I’m a dick about Hillary all the time, because she’s a bad politician whose ambition, insecurity and strategic myopia gave us Donald Trump. And what are the PUMA types going to do? Vote for Donald Trump like they voted for McCain in 08?

[Js1 85085]

59 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You’re shocked Hugo found a completely unrelated reason to bring up Warren AND Hillary in the same post unprovoked? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

We should talk more about Tom Steyer and John Delaney.  Like, what the fuck are they still doing in this race?  All that money just being set on fire.

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

Here we go...

 

[Js1 85085]

“No. I don’t know. I’ll look at the details” ... of my plan?

[bad_teammate 13132]

hahahahaha she knew the obvious answer but doesn't want to piss off the Dem establishment.

It's absolutely hilarious that the thing the Dems have decided to finally go after Trump with also shows them to be profoundly corrupt.

Edited September 26, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Did you guys know Wayne Messam was a starting wide receiver on the 1993 Florida State National Championship team? 

It’s important we vet all the candidates in this process.

[Js1 85085]

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Here we go...

 

Quoting my own post here...

"Right now M4A is a framework, and it doesn't have the details.."

"lot of work to figure out the transition"

 

Like I've been saying, she is not "with Bernie on Medicare For All".  He has a very specific plan with clear transition timelines. She is co-opting the title and will pivot to her own, softer version. I'm sure I will LIKE her plan, but the deception is not good. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

She is co-opting the title and will pivot to her own, softer version. I'm sure I will LIKE her plan, but the deception is not good. 

Of course! That’s why she tweets multiple times a day about shutting down for profit health insurance. It’s 3D chess so she can stab everyone in back later down the road. 

 

[Pancho 44437]

Narrator: “she wanted to say nigga but realized she’s still running for at least the VP slot.”

Edited September 26, 2019 by Pancho

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Yang was a Dead Kennedys fan.

 

[Anastasis 23390]

Hi Evelyn. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

God forbid Liz piss off the Saudis.

[RayDog 682]

Where are the Saudis on the green new deal?

[BradInATX 9208]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

hahahahaha she knew the obvious answer but doesn't want to piss off the Dem establishment.

It's absolutely hilarious that the thing the Dems have decided to finally go after Trump with also shows them to be profoundly corrupt.

She should have just said no, under my plan that wouldn't be allowed without roping in the Bidens. I don't think anyone would have seen it as an unfair shot at Biden (as she was just directly answering a question). And that non-answer is way off-brand for her "I'm a straight shooter who will end corruption" brand. I don't think anyone will care, but I agree with you that it was weak sauce.

[BradInATX 9208]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Quoting my own post here...

"Right now M4A is a framework, and it doesn't have the details.."

"lot of work to figure out the transition"

 

Like I've been saying, she is not "with Bernie on Medicare For All".  He has a very specific plan with clear transition timelines. She is co-opting the title and will pivot to her own, softer version. I'm sure I will LIKE her plan, but the deception is not good. 

 

Yep. "Make sure people who need it are covered right away". She's tap dancing right on that line between being called a shitlib centrist and going all-in on full M4A. 

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Of course! That’s why she tweets multiple times a day about shutting down for profit health insurance. It’s 3D chess so she can stab everyone in back later down the road. 

 

"No one should be able to make a profit off of denying people health care" =/= "shutting down for profit health insurance"

Do you think it's just a coincidence that she hasn't actually stated directly that she is in favor of removing private insurers from the equation, despite speaking on healthcare multiple times daily? It's obviously intentional. I don't know if it's that she hasn't figured out her exact plan yet and is still working through it, or she's trying to be viable enough for the left on healthcare while not committing to full M4A in the general (this is what I believe, but not 100% convinced).

But it's not an accident. I'm sure of that. She's too smart.

Edited September 26, 2019 by BradInATX

[Js1 85085]

8 hours ago, BradInATX said:

She should have just said no, under my plan that wouldn't be allowed without roping in the Bidens. I don't think anyone would have seen it as an unfair shot at Biden (as she was just directly answering a question). And that non-answer is way off-brand for her "I'm a straight shooter who will end corruption" brand. I don't think anyone will care, but I agree with you that it was weak sauce.

If, as Hugo states, her entire agenda and platform is removing corruption from politics, that should have been a no-brainer, fast break 360 slam dunk answer. 

[BradInATX 9208]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

If, as Hugo states, her entire agenda and platform is removing corruption from politics, that should have been a no-brainer, fast break 360 slam dunk answer. 

Exactly. She fumbled that one. I've become a big Warren fan but I'm pretty disappointed in that one. It was a softball. 

[Js1 85085]

Senator Warren, would your VP’s child be allowed to serve on the board of a foreign company? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

An oldie but goodie

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Watch out Pete, Delaney is coming for you:

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Bernie is going to say the same thing as Liz regarding the obvious corruption of the Biden family because Bernard has Senate Decorum Poisoning just like the rest of the old people in there. It is profoundly disappointing.

Some younger candidate is going to throw it in Joe's face and Bernie/Liz will grumble about the unkindness of it all and I will cry into my bourbon.

[bad_teammate 13132]

This is the most demented fanbase of 2020 by far.

 

[Js1 85085]

I like snacks. Bu no raisins! 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Fun fact:  Joe Sestak was the highest-ranking military official ever elected to the United States Congress at the time of his election.  

[Js1 85085]

Hey look, we broke Hugo! 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-26/warren-and-sanders-share-union-endorsement-campaign-update

 

Elizabeth Warren supporters allege conspiracy, harass the union leadership on social media, and riot in the streets.  

Wait, no they didn’t because they’re not petulant entitled whiny little bitches.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13132]

The worker's board actually released their vote totals in a transparent process.

WFP did not.

WFP could clear it all up by simply releasing the vote totals.

Simple.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Good lord, movement over the last week.

 

[BradInATX 9208]

Pence at 100:1 seems like a solid dark horse bet. If Trump were impeached/removed or resigned and Pence came out of it without any bruises, I think he's >50% to win the general election. Which means I'd just need Trump's removal/resignation chances to be 1 in 30 or so for it to be +EV

Edited September 26, 2019 by BradInATX

[bad_teammate 13132]

It's nice to support a candidate who is better on his record and his policies than all the other ones and that allows my critiques to focus on the other candidates themselves and not constantly crying about randos on Twitter.

Feels good.

[Js1 85085]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

Pence at 100:1 seems like a solid dark horse bet. If Trump were impeached/removed or resigned and Pence came out of it without any bruises, I think he's >50% to win the general election. Which means I'd just need Trump's removal/resignation chances to be 1 in 30 or so for it to be +EV

I do not think Pence is >50% to win it all.

A) His extreme social conservativism combined with embracing Trumpism is going to further turn off moderate suburban women.  

B) The Trumpkin base will be PISSED and unmotivated.  They don't vote for Republicans - they vote for Trump.  I can see them sitting it out altogether or leaving the top line blank.  

C) Mike Pence inspires literally nobody.  He has the charisma of a pencil eraser.  

E) Mike Pence is not going to turn out blue collar WWC voters to vote Republican in the Midwest.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Pence wouldn’t get the nomination if Trump doesn’t make it. 

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I do not think Pence is >50% to win it all.

A) His extreme social conservativism combined with embracing Trumpism is going to further turn off moderate suburban women.  

B) The Trumpkin base will be PISSED and unmotivated.  They don't vote for Republicans - they vote for Trump.  I can see them sitting it out altogether or leaving the top line blank.  

C) Mike Pence inspires literally nobody.  He has the charisma of a pencil eraser.  

E) Mike Pence is not going to turn out blue collar WWC voters to vote Republican in the Midwest.  

I generally agree. But I don't think we know for sure how Trumpublicans would react to Pence. They could walk away or fully jump on board depending on how it would unfold.  

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

The MAGA CHUDs wouldn't like Pence, but you would see a FLOOD of Never Trumpers come back. This board would lose 30% of its recently-converted #Resisters within 3 months.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

The MAGA CHUDs wouldn't like Pence, but you would see a FLOOD of Never Trumpers come back. This board would lose 30% of its recently-converted #Resisters within 3 months.

Sad but true.  

[bad_teammate 13132]

Anyone hinging their long-term vision on the eternal conversion of white suburbanites/professionals to progressive values is an idiot. They are on a temporary vacation because Trump is gross and dumb. Josh Hawley will having them baying for concentration camps in 2024.

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Anyone hinging their long-term vision on the eternal conversion of white suburbanites/professionals to progressive values is an idiot. They are on a temporary vacation because Trump is gross and dumb. Josh Hawley will having them baying for concentration camps in 2024.

Long-term, I think how progressive values are presented to white suburbanites/professionals will determine when/if they eventually convert. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Long-term, I think how progressive values are presented to white suburbanites/professionals will determine when/if they eventually convert. 

 

Yeah, suburbanites just need the right salespeople, they’ll buy in if the pitch is effective.