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Hank Kingsley

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, suburbanites just need the right salespeople, they’ll buy in if the pitch is effective. 

It reminds me of a story Buttigieg has told when an older SB resident met Chasten (he and Pete were engaged at the time I believe) and told Pete she had met his "friend". 

"Yeah. This is really important for us to think about as change is made, because we also need to make sure people feel good about themselves as they are dealing with a dizzying pace of change. I write about some people I knew, older people, maybe a little more conservative. One always sticks out in my mind—she came up to me with a mischievous smile and said, “I met your friend, and he’s wonderful.” Now, I could have lectured her on the difference between a friend and a partner, but that was her way of saying she was headed our way, and at a moment when we had been so divided, especially during the Pence administration, there was some risk of people on my side of the debate pointing fingers at people who just weren’t quite comfortable with acceptance yet and almost pushing them into the arms of the religious right.

It was really important to beckon and welcome people onto the right side of history in a way that helped them feel good about themselves, even if they were still kind of gradually coming to terms with that. And I think that might have some lessons about some of the other issues where people my age and younger are very, very impatient to see change, but we’ve got to remember some of the places that the people on the other side are coming from. Especially if we ever want to win them over."

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32 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It reminds me of a story Buttigieg has told when an older SB resident met Chasten (he and Pete were engaged at the time I believe) and told Pete she had met his "friend". 

"Yeah. This is really important for us to think about as change is made, because we also need to make sure people feel good about themselves as they are dealing with a dizzying pace of change. I write about some people I knew, older people, maybe a little more conservative. One always sticks out in my mind—she came up to me with a mischievous smile and said, “I met your friend, and he’s wonderful.” Now, I could have lectured her on the difference between a friend and a partner, but that was her way of saying she was headed our way, and at a moment when we had been so divided, especially during the Pence administration, there was some risk of people on my side of the debate pointing fingers at people who just weren’t quite comfortable with acceptance yet and almost pushing them into the arms of the religious right.

It was really important to beckon and welcome people onto the right side of history in a way that helped them feel good about themselves, even if they were still kind of gradually coming to terms with that. And I think that might have some lessons about some of the other issues where people my age and younger are very, very impatient to see change, but we’ve got to remember some of the places that the people on the other side are coming from. Especially if we ever want to win them over."

Pete has the skill set to be an amazing advocate for anything.  That’s why people really like him but it’s also why some are skeptical because he hasn’t firmly planted his flag on a hill he’s willing to die on.  Yeah, we know how he feels about the EC, the constitution, and the courts but his territory seems to be “I am not the other guy” which isn’t a bad hill politically but it sacrifices some authenticity. 

I’d love nothing more than to see a one on one debate between Pete and Elizabeth Warren where they both really challenge each other on their positions.

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Tulsi is somehow the most mediocre Republican running for President. Including Trump. 

It's pretty clear her goal is to create chaos within the Democratic Party. The bullshit about "lack of transparency" regarding polling requirements, specifically going after the top 2 female candidates, and she hasn't signed the pledge (no matter how stupid these things are) to back the eventual D nominee. 

She 100% knows she has zero chance at the nomination. She's tired of the "divisiveness" in the country. Sure thing, Jan. 

 

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Professional media class white people are not our friends.
 

The loathing that the professional class has for the working class is deep and unbridgeable. Class protects class. All of the gentle outreach in the world will never actually cover the base desire of most people to simply protect every luxury and privilege they have at any expense.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It's pretty clear her goal is to create chaos within the Democratic Party.

I don't know what this means. Are you saying she wants Trump to win reelection or something?

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It's definitely a weakness that will eventually be exploited.

So the fact that it's a weakness is only relevant in terms of how it affects the horserace?

Is there anything at all that matters about any of this beyond the horserace?

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So the fact that it's a weakness is only relevant in terms of how it affects the horserace?

Is there anything at all that matters about any of this beyond the horserace?

I agree with you that we haven't heard much from Warren regarding foreign policy. This is kind of the "horserace" thread. 

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Maybe half of it. 

 

 

 

The depressing thing about foreign policy is voters don’t give a shit about it.  I think It polls around 1% among issues that are important to voters.  

I’m a foreign policy nerd and I hate that it doesn’t get more attention on the campaign trail. 

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), one of the Senate's fiercest Wall Street critics, attended a Democratic donor retreat over the weekend hosted by former UBS bank executive Robert Wolf, who last year lashed out against politicians that target Wall Street for political gain.

Wolf hosted Warren as part of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's annual donor retreat in Martha's Vineyard. He wrote on Twitter that he was "honored" to host Warren, who was joined by other Democratic senators at the fundraiser.

Wolf, a financial backer and friend of former President Barack Obama, a Clinton Foundation donor, and a co-chair for the 2016 Democratic National Convention, has in the past portrayed Warren as a radical and denounced her treatment of Wall Street.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/elizabeth-warren-attends-marthas-vineyard-dinner-hosted-by-big-bank-executive/

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8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

That was a DNC event, not a Warren fundraiser.

Warren is required to attend DNC fundraisers for access to their voter files.  

Your trolling is not bad today tho

lol tough shit.  Bernie somehow did very well in the 2016 primary without schmoozing with any bank executives.  Robert Wolf has also said that Liz! has both public and private positions on the issues.  

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What an idiotic assertion...

 

“WARREN IS ESSENTIALLY THE LEADER OF THE PARTY”: INSIDE PELOSI’S IMPEACHMENT CAVE—AND A DEMOCRATIC POWER SHIFT

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/inside-nancy-pelosi-impeachment-cave-elizabeth-warren

Another politician of Pelosi’s generation hasn’t merely recognized the change, but seized on it. Elizabeth Warren came out in favor of impeachment the day after the Mueller report was released. Tuesday morning Warren was on Twitter, doubling down on her bet: “The House must impeach. It must start today.” Eight hours later, Pelosi went along. “It is another brick in the wall of the reputation that Warren is building of being somebody who is a fighter and is unafraid to buck the sort of punditry and establishment Democrats in Washington,” Fallon says. “She’s signaling to activists—with impeachment and her plans and her endorsements of challengers—rest assured that if Warren is president, she’ll take no prisoners in terms of taking on the corporate interests or taking on Mitch McConnell in the Senate. There’s a long-term benefit for Warren beyond just the impeachment issue.”

The attempt to impeach Trump could easily turn into another Democratic debacle, and Warren could be damaged by the fallout. And she’s also still a long way from winning any actual primaries, let alone the 2020 nomination; her primary opponents will surely step up their claims that Warren is not electable. Tuesday’s events, though, are a defining moment in her favor, and they mark a shift in the party’s power structure. “Pelosi is the highest-ranking elected Democrat, and Biden is still on top in many polls,” a national Democratic strategist says. “But Warren is essentially the leader of the party now.”

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I don't disagree, but they are doing everyone a disservice by putting 12 people on stage. 

 

Its literally in the article - 

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Our goal has always been to expand viewership

RATINGS.  Advertisement dollars.

That's it. 

Tom Perez is not our standard.  CNN can also suck a dick for not pushing back. 

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