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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Other than Gabbard, are we worried that there is a candidate who is actually against Congress impeaching Trump?

She did change her mind, eventually.

Otherwise, everyone up there should be like YEAH FUCK THAT GUY.  Now let's talk about how Republicans want to rip away your healthcare. 

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10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Their job as presidential candidates is to win the GE in 2020 and lead this country post-Trump. 

As BT has said, they are all pro-impeachment outside of Gabbard. Talking about it at the debate will just be a contest of who can put out the best one-liner to appease the #Resisters. No thanks. 

Really?!?  I suppose you’d prefer they talk about abortion, guns, or socialism?  Because that’s what the debate will be about otherwise.  The front runner has voluntarily decided to make the entire election about Donald Trump.  He should absolutely be able to make his case in light of the new information that has emerged.  It would be negligent not to. 

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10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Really?!?  I suppose you’d prefer they talk about abortion, guns, or socialism?  Because that’s what the debate will be about otherwise.  The front runner has voluntarily decided to make the entire election about Donald Trump.  He should absolutely be able to make his case in light of the new information that has emerged.  It would be negligent not to. 

Yes, let's talk about Donald Trump more. 

 

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

you want to see 12 people who all have the same opinion answer a yes-or-no question?

i'm sure they'll bring it up, but i hope they don't waste too much time on it.

Raise your hand if....

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4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

you want to see 12 people who all have the same opinion answer a yes-or-no question?

i'm sure they'll bring it up, but i hope they don't waste too much time on it.

It’s CNN/NYT.  The debate is going to be a shit show with loaded gotcha questions and friendly fire sniping.  If you think anything of substance is going to come out of the debate you haven’t been paying attention.   Might as well tackle the elephant in the room. 

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s CNN/NYT.  The debate is going to be a shit show with loaded gotcha questions and friendly fire sniping.  If you think anything of substance is going to come out of the debate you haven’t been paying attention.   Might as well tackle the elephant in the room. 

Yes, no one brings up Trump to the presidential candidates and they never talk about it. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

While I disagree with her, there is a compelling case to be made why Trump shouldn’t be banned.  For one, it plays into his persecution complex that everyone is out to get him and second, he is still the president of the United States.  POTUS being denied a direct line of communication to the population because his rhetoric is harmful could open up more cans of worms than it prevents. 

I would still temporarily ban him if Twitter was my platform though to deter future harmful rhetoric. 

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Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

While I disagree with her, there is a compelling case to be made why Trump shouldn’t be banned.  For one, it plays into his persecution complex that everyone is out to get him and second, he is still the president of the United States.  POTUS being denied a direct line of communication to the population because his rhetoric is harmful could open up more cans of worms than it prevents. 

I would still temporarily ban him if Twitter was my platform though to deter future harmful rhetoric. 

I agree with Warren. 

 

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You know half the candidates on the stag actually have a vote to remove Trump should the house impeach him? 

And they've all (now) said they support it, if not outright called for him before the inquiry was opened.  What's the point? 

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And they've all (now) said they support it, if not outright called for him before the inquiry was opened.  What's the point? 

It’s an opportunity to nudge public opinion a little more, KEEP HAMMERING THE CASE.  Put on repeat to saturate the public consciousness. This is what Trump does and it’s effective. Keep repeating the case. 

80% of the shit they are going to say on debate night is stuff they’ve said and we’ve heard before.  Might as well get the most bang out of it.

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We know that every single currently-elected rep would vote to impeach Trump, even Gabbard.

What we DON'T know is ...
- How committed they are to guaranteeing 100% of all Americans healthcare regardless of payment
- How committed they are to going carbon-zero in the next 2 decades
- How committed they are to forgiving student and medical debt
- How committed they are to deeply and strongly regulating Wall Street & Silicon Valley
- How committed they are to ending our imperialism abroad
- How committed they are to eliminating funding for despotic, mass-murdering regimes

Now, corporate media debates won't really bother with those important questions anyway, so it's all kind of just farting in the wind.

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s an opportunity to nudge public opinion a little more, KEEP HAMMERING THE CASE.  Put on repeat to saturate the public consciousness. This is what Trump does and it’s effective. Keep repeating the case. 

80% of the shit they are going to say on debate night is stuff they’ve said and we’ve heard before.  Might as well get the most bang out of it.

They should all dress as Trump for the debates. Then just answer questions about Trump in their best Trump impersonations. 

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The election IS A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP.  

If the tables were turned and Obama was running in 2020 for his fourth term, the Republicans would be slamming Obama all debate long and it would be more effective on the audience than talking about fiscal responsibility or free trade. 

And they would be strategically correct to do so.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

Elite 8

West Division

Biden v. Booker   winner Booker

Sanders v. Harris  winner Sanders

East Div

Warren v. O'Rourke  winner Warren

Butt v. Yang  winner Butt

Final 4

Booker v. Sanders  winner Booker

Warren v. Buttigieg  winner Warren

Final

Booker v. Warren = ???

Profit

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Elite 8

West Division

Biden v. Booker   winner Booker

Sanders v. Harris  winner Sanders

East Div

Warren v. O'Rourke  winner Warren

Butt v. Yang  winner Butt

Final 4

Booker v. Sanders  winner Booker

Warren v. Buttigieg  winner Warren

Final

Booker v. Warren = ???

Profit

 

 

 

 

You ain't gonna give the top 2 in each division a bye so that 3-6 and 4-5 play first? Come on man, that's some CFP shit right there. 

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

How about we get deep in the weeds on M4A vs public option vs furthering Obama care again?  It's been super fun the last three fucking debates.

Oh this is absolutely going to happen again.  The candidates will have 30 seconds each to go over their plan to overhaul a fifth of the United States economy and then scream about socialism. 

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15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

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Tell me more about Joe Biden’s 20 point lead in South Carolina...

I assume this is some Hugo point that because black voters are still considering more than 1 candidate (as are white voters!) and therefore Joe doesn’t have a 20 point lead in SC but....

Joe Biden still has a 20 point lead in SC and Liz only got 9% of black voters in that poll just saying 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

I assume this is some Hugo point that because black voters are still considering more than 1 candidate (as are white voters!) and therefore Joe doesn’t have a 20 point lead in SC but....

Joe Biden still has a 20 point lead in SC and Liz only got 9% of black voters in that poll just saying 

More of a jab at how hyper focused everyone is on South Carolina now that all the other Joe Biden talking points and advantages are disintegrating.  

“Ignore all other data, what about South Carolina!” 

Clearly he’s going to build on that lead over the next four months and not dissolve into an afterthought by June.  

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52 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I assume this is some Hugo point that because black voters are still considering more than 1 candidate (as are white voters!) and therefore Joe doesn’t have a 20 point lead in SC but....

Joe Biden still has a 20 point lead in SC and Liz only got 9% of black voters in that poll just saying 

South Carolina is nearly 5 months away.  It's not the present standing that matters but the trajectory. 

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49 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I assume this is some Hugo point that because black voters are still considering more than 1 candidate (as are white voters!) and therefore Joe doesn’t have a 20 point lead in SC but....

Joe Biden still has a 20 point lead in SC and Liz only got 9% of black voters in that poll just saying 

I don't understand the argument that Biden wins due to Black support in Southern states. Southern states that are 20 percent or more Black are: Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, and North Carolina.

If those are the only states he wins, where does that get him? And, I am not sure he can win North Carolina.

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that video is great.  what a fucking embarrassment those people are. “yeah we called her names and chased her into the parking lot. sure, she’s a 70 year old college professor, but she wants to hurt the businesses of really rich people that i read about on the library internet.”

warren should use that footage in her own ads. 

there was a scene in succession last week where there was one lone protestor standing holding a sign. dude was like, “it’s more awkward when there’s only one, like, you try not to make eye contact.”

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