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Harris is starting to look done. A little surprising actually. 

Looking like a four horse race now. 

Joe representing the conservative Clinton type faction of the party, with Pete as the backup plan.

And Warren representing the liberal wing, backed up by the Bern. 

Should be interesting. 

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4 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Harris is starting to look done. A little surprising actually. 

Looking like a four horse race now. 

Joe representing the conservative Clinton type faction of the party, with Pete as the backup plan.

And Warren representing the liberal wing, backed up by the Bern. 

Should be interesting. 

I have always thought some form of a Pete Warren ticket would be formidable.  Might be tough given recent events but lots of appeal across a wide spectrum.

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The dems can fairly easily win the general  election if they play it smart. That is a big IF however.  And it has nothing to do with impeachment.

Trump should be impeached because he is the biggest piece of shit to ever walk the planet, and a traitor. If the criminal enterprise calling itself the Republican Party doesn’t remove him so be it. Then they are just as big of pieces if shit as trump then. Fuck Em. 

What the Democrats can’t do is adopt positions that are not popular among independent swing voters in certain states and that includes Medicare for all and the green new deal. Else they can lose like a dog just like hildog did.

That cannot happen. 

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13 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

The republicans play it smart by playing to win. The dems could use some of that attitude.

 

I disagree.  Republicans have played to win by pushing the conversation further and further to the right and refusing to compromise for decades.  It's always Democrats compromising, which is why so many in the country think centrist/center right Democrats like Obama and Clinton are far left. 

If the conversation starts at M4A, we may likely end up with your wish for a public option.  If the conversation starts at a public option, we're going to end up with nothing.  The affordable care act started with a public option and Democrats compromised it out.  

Hillary did not lose because of left wing views that turned off independents.  She lost because she had a decades long smear campaign against her and didn't have the personality to overcome it.  But by all means, let's nominate another center, corporate democrat with vague platitudes who will get little done to move the country towards progress while Republicans regroup post Trump and retake big majorities.  The time to be bold is now when you have the most divisive president hated by a majority of people.

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Democratic strategist:

“We’re up against a popular republican incumbent, now is not the time to be bold and swing for the fences.”

 

Also Democratic strategist:

“We’re up against an extremely unpopular republican incumbent, now is not the time to be bold and swing for the fences.”

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Hmmm...Trump makes gains against Warren & Bernie in the latest head to head polls...I wonder why that is?

 

These are the most worthless polls because they neglect the impact of a general election campaign.   

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Crazy how the Republicans never have to play it smart.  Too many people playing pundit.  Just put out the best candidate that runs the best campaign.  People don’t really give a shit about policy and the last election kinda proved it. 


Trump and others won by being vague on policies and details. Losers lay out policies that are hugely “scary” and/or unpopular with swing voters. Democrats could be lining up a spectacular failure for the ages. Only could complete morons blow this upcoming presidential election.
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I disagree.  Republicans have played to win by pushing the conversation further and further to the right and refusing to compromise for decades.  It's always Democrats compromising, which is why so many in the country think centrist/center right Democrats like Obama and Clinton are far left. 

If the conversation starts at M4A, we may likely end up with your wish for a public option.  If the conversation starts at a public option, we're going to end up with nothing.  The affordable care act started with a public option and Democrats compromised it out.  

Hillary did not lose because of left wing views that turned off independents.  She lost because she had a decades long smear campaign against her and didn't have the personality to overcome it.  But by all means, let's nominate another center, corporate democrat with vague platitudes who will get little done to move the country towards progress while Republicans regroup post Trump and retake big majorities.  The time to be bold is now when you have the most divisive president hated by a majority of people.

Obama compromised the public option in a futile attempt to gain Republican support and because he caved to the insurance industry. I suppose he needed to do it to make sure something got passed as opposed to nothing, but if so it was to win over dem support, not Republican.

Given the current state of the Republican Party crime organization you pass whatever you can ram through the Democratic caucus and just ignore the republicans. That means when the dems take over they can easily pass a public option, but likely not Medicare for all. There is not enough unity even in the Democratic Party to pass that. 

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Electability!

 

that headline also implies that the dem nominee could be somebody that 100% of the "depends on who..." voters vote against, which seems mathematically unlikely, just based on the premise.  he's not going to win the popular vote, and never was going to.  he'll likely lose it by 6-8mm people.

in fact, at this point, he should be holding non-stop rallies in arizona, wisconsin, florida, michigan, and pennsylvania.  why even go to mississippi or kentucky, unless he's trying to get senators elected. 

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51 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

that headline also implies that the dem nominee could be somebody that 100% of the "depends on who..." voters vote against, which seems mathematically unlikely, just based on the premise.  he's not going to win the popular vote, and never was going to.  he'll likely lose it by 6-8mm people.

in fact, at this point, he should be holding non-stop rallies in arizona, wisconsin, florida, michigan, and pennsylvania.  why even go to mississippi or kentucky, unless he's trying to get senators elected. 

Because he goes where he’s loved. He’s underwater or close to it in all those places you’ve mentioned. The rallies aren’t for 2020, they are so 2019 Donald feels happy. 

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Trump and others won by being vague on policies and details. Losers lay out policies that are hugely “scary” and/or unpopular with swing voters. Democrats could be lining up a spectacular failure for the ages. Only could complete morons blow this upcoming presidential election.

 

If you can’t run on accomplishment or track record, you better be great at campaigning. The last two presidents are great examples.

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Trump and others won by being vague on policies and details. Losers lay out policies that are hugely “scary” and/or unpopular with swing voters. Democrats could be lining up a spectacular failure for the ages. Only could complete morons blow this upcoming presidential election.

Govern differently than you campaigned really is a winning strategy.

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If the primary election were tomorrow nationwide, Joe would be in really good shape to win the nomination. 

3rd in Iowa, 2nd in NH, 1st in NV/SC (by RCP average).  He'd be in pretty good shape regardless. 

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11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If the primary election were tomorrow nationwide, Joe would be in really good shape to win the nomination. 

Assuming Joe at 30% and Warren and Sanders combining for 45% and no others being awarded delegates, Warren and Sanders would have 60% of the elected delegates and over 48% of the total delegates before considering how the super delegates will vote.

Warren or Sanders could win if their combined delegates supported one of them.

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The biggest problem with Biden is that he probably wins--though I don't think he's anymoy electable than others--and then the republican party does to him what they did to Obama. A Biden presidency touting this bring the country together/work with republicans bullshit is going to mean republicans retake the Whitehouse in 4 years, probably with someone scarier and more effective than Trump. 

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