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No it doesn't, this is absurd selfishness on a grand scale. Nobody is getting punished. My wife and I paid off our student loans, and you know what I think about younger people or even those in our ge

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3rd or 4th thread but whos counting.  Name recognition and ability to collect money is most important to the Democratic Party. They aren't trying to win 2020, they are trying to rebuild and colle

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15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Been saying for a while Pete is legit in Iowa.  

Good luck in the next debate Pete! 

Good luck? You think the legacy media will ever grill him like they do Warren/Bernie? Not a chance. Pete is exactly the type of candidate they love - white, ivy league, corporate centrist. 

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Hank Kingsley

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4 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

Good luck? You think the legacy media will ever grill him like they do Warren/Bernie? Not a chance. Pete is exactly the type of candidate they love - white, ivy league, corporate centrist. 

Buttigieg does a ton of TV appearances. The TV hosts and most pundits on there like him. There's a reason he's on TV all the time and others aren't. It's because he's REALLY GOOD at it. 

I promise you if Bernie, Warren, Biden, Harris, Klobuchar, etc. exposed themselves to that many TV appearances, they'd stumble a lot more than he does. 

 

Now print and online journalists? They are much more critical of Pete. 

 

 

 

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Yes, he does. His rhetoric is what has changed dramatically. It's gone from "M4A is a good idea and we'll get to it on a smooth glide path that will eventually eliminate private insurance" to "Forcing people off their private health insurance is wrong!"

And, as was true in February, it's all a lie.

He sees his path and he's going down it. Smart, aspirational boy.

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1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

The far left progressives are going to need some consoling after Pete wins Iowa and NH and Biden wins SC and Nevada, effectively ending Warrens and Bernies campaigns.

The moderates are going to need some consoling after Pete wins Iowa and NH and Biden wins SC and Nevada, effectively ending Warrens and Bernies campaigns, and the progressives stay at home for the general election.
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3 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

 

 

The moderates are going to need some consoling after Pete wins Iowa and NH and Biden wins SC and Nevada, effectively ending Warrens and Bernies campaigns, and the progressives stay at home for the general election.

You can’t really believe the progressives are staying home.  They may not be happy but they damn sure are not risking trump getting re-elected. 

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36 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yes, he does. His rhetoric is what has changed dramatically. It's gone from "M4A is a good idea and we'll get to it on a smooth glide path that will eventually eliminate private insurance" to "Forcing people off their private health insurance is wrong!"

And, as was true in February, it's all a lie.

He sees his path and he's going down it. Smart, aspirational boy.

It's called campaigning. And explaining to voters the policy differences between candidates. 

 

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2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It's called campaigning. And explaining to voters the policy differences between candidates. 

The issue is Pete abandoned openly campaigning as an advocate for single player and then chose to campaign against it. That’s more than a pivot, it’s a flip.  Yes, we know about his plan. Yes, we know it’s politics but for other advocates of single payer, it’s a betrayal. It means he wasn’t serious about getting to universal healthcare and it hurts his credibility in the eyes of progressives.  It’s exactly what you thought Warren was going to do but she didn’t. 

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It's called campaigning. And explaining to voters the policy differences between candidates.

Yes, Pete is campaigning by using right-wing talking points against single-payer. And it's working very well for him among white people with money. I know that. There are a lot of people who don't want progressive change, but they hate Donald Trump so they're desperately looking for someone who will best serve the interests of private capital and extreme wealth.

Pete is positioning himself to be that guy because he wants to win.

I know this. It's obvious.

And I don't like him for it. You can like him for it, that's fine.

Am I supposed to respect him for being a cynical liar?

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32 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Medicare public option isn't progressive change? 

Pete is campaigning against single payer.  That is anti-progressive.  Subsequently his plan is irrelevant because it doesn’t remove the profit motive. 

Imagine living in a country and never having to worry about basic health insurance.  Imagine not being forced to have whatever plan your employer decides for you.  No more huge medical bills to fret.  No more “is this in my network?”  Sounds like tyranny to Pete.

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1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

To be fair to Pete, naked ambition to become president while not actually believing in anything and changing you positions to whatever is most politically expedient is a tried and true method to become President. 

Yes, and if he beats Bernie then complete idiots are going to be on here saying, "Heh you leftists thought that consistency and goodness would win. So naive."

Yes, we fucking know. We know.

We just don't want it to happen.

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51 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Pete is campaigning against single payer.  That is anti-progressive.  Subsequently his plan is irrelevant because it doesn’t remove the profit motive. 

 

Any plan is relevant unless single payer is a system that will inevitably prevail in any election scenario.

 

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As long as the profit motive is allowed to live in the provision of insurance then every advance made will be rolled back by the monied interests who want to exploit that profit opportunity.

Which is what some of you want to happen, and these conversations would be more productive if those who want that just admitted it.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Pete is campaigning against single payer.  That is anti-progressive.  Subsequently his plan is irrelevant because it doesn’t remove the profit motive. 

is profit motive your #1 concern with healthcare reform?

i'm pretty sure it is, as i think it was you who said as much on a different thread.  just double-checking.

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/268094/millions-lost-someone-couldn-afford-treatment.aspx?utm_source=twitterbutton&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=sharing

More than 13% of American adults -- or about 34 million people -- report knowing of at least one friend or family member in the past five years who died after not receiving needed medical treatment because they were unable to pay for it, based on a new study by Gallup and West Health.

hell of a system we got here. 

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https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-trump-faces-tough-election-fight-georgia/gqTRms8eLIL1TEFW2r8pKN/

Tldr:

Biden 51-43 over Trump
Sanders 48-43
Warren 47-44
Pete 46-43
Harris 45-44

And this is a poll that has Trump at 45/54 in approval but Kemp at 55/35 approval.  

Hey look, more obvious polling that Trump is STRUGGLING to get support over his approval rating.  Almost like it's a trend. 

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35 minutes ago, Js1 said:

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-trump-faces-tough-election-fight-georgia/gqTRms8eLIL1TEFW2r8pKN/

Tldr:

Biden 51-43 over Trump
Sanders 48-43
Warren 47-44
Pete 46-43
Harris 45-44

And this is a poll that has Trump at 45/54 in approval but Kemp at 55/35 approval.  

Hey look, more obvious polling that Trump is STRUGGLING to get support over his approval rating.  Almost like it's a trend. 

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/ajc-poll-hillary-clinton-has-slim-lead-over-donald-trump-georgia/eNbidHSeh1xo3D99QBzJMO/

 

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