2020 Democratic Nominee

[Bozo_Casanova 26,286]

17 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

So what role does evidence play for you in a discussion on neoliberal economic policy and MMT?  

Do you care about austerity for the 99.9% and subsidies for the top.001%?

What have those subsidies and backstops for the top .001% shown you about the nature of monetary policy?  

Anything? Or has that light gone out for you?

The world is a vampire - regardless of whether or not we are paying attention. And there is certainly enough media to overwhelm even the most curious among us. But there are still people out there paying attention. Perhaps we should listen to them about the nature of monetary policy and its ability to raise all boats, not just the super-yachts of the top .001%. Not intended as an insult bc, the mind is obviously still there but perhaps the spirit may exhausted, which is understandable. Cheers.

I've been arguing for the same basic set of policy outcomes for over two decades, going back to my opposition to the Clinton administration's repeal of Glass-Steagall (which you also vocally supported in the mid 2000's). She's got some very silly proposals including the VERY problematic (and probably just woofin) idea of taxing mark to market capital gains, but lot of what I've supported are also supported by Warren, including some of her approach to payroll taxes (which you had opposed).  Her program, at a basic level, would provide a modest corrective bump to the economic balance of power towards the middle, and we badly need one.

So, while it's nice to see that you suddenly agree with those things, you did in fact oppose them in recent memory. So have you had some kind of Road to Damascus conversion or still just concern trolling?

Edited December 28, 2019 by Bozo_Casanova

[washparkhorn 9,935]

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.
 

With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.

He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall.

Speak what you think now in hard words, and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day.

— 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.'

— Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood?

Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

Emerson. 
 

free your mind bc - you do make a difference in the minds of many, including my own. 
 

cheers

[JimmyJames 12,271]

Cheers. 

[Brandywine 1,313]

1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

Not really. 

He was talking about the 90,000 black voters in Michigan who voted straight Democratic Party, but left the top spot open - refusing to vote for another Republican-lite Democratic Nominee. 

Yep, real smart. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Not really. 

He was talking about the 90,000 black voters in Michigan who voted straight Democratic Party, but left the top spot open - refusing to vote for another Republican-lite Democratic Nominee. 

So that’s how Manafort and the Russians did it. Interesting. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

90,000 Black Michigan voters did not vote straight ticket democrat and not vote for Hillary. If that is a factual statement and is what is claimed happened, then the vote was manipulated. Period. 

[BradInATX 9,208]

How confident are we that Anastasis and washparkhorn aren't the same person? They have all the same hallmarks. #Bothsides, an ever shifting set of ethics depending on who we're talking about, and an unquenchable thirst for the smell of their own farts.

 

 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

34 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

How confident are we that Anastasis and washparkhorn aren't the same person? They have all the same hallmarks. #Bothsides, an ever shifting set of ethics depending on who we're talking about, and an unquenchable thirst for the smell of their own farts.

 

 

We can have a confidence level of zero on that. I don’t know washparkhorn as well as apparently others here, but I can say with great confidence that Anastasis is simply a gif bag rolling troll designed to spread Carter page, FBI spied on Trump nonsense all the while claiming to be some sort of neutral observer of the facts looking out for “individual liberty.” He’s a complete trump supporting fraud who exposes his ignorance about what he’s spouting about with every post. 

He also thinks his posts have gravitas and  thinks his farts on this board smell great. He’s wrong on both accounts. 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

People still listen to Michael Moore?

[washparkhorn 9,935]

What short attention spans and social media has done to political discourse. 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Why even entertain this nonsense? Yes, everyone should obey the law but this question is gaslighting garbage and all candidates should call it what it is.

If Warren wins the nomination does she not realize that Trump and his cronies will manufacture some fake scandal about her and use Russia to amplify it?

Yes, Biden is her competition now and I understand the impulse to pile on the negatives about a rival but all the candidates should present a united front against this.

[washparkhorn 9,935]

On Russia as a campaign narrative, it is not a winner. 

We are at war with Russia at this moment and have been for some time now. They are our enemy. We are dominating the economic war. We have simmering hot wars against their interests in multiple theaters of war across the globe. That has not changed since Obama. That will never change in any of our lifetimes. We are building our military rapidly. And rightfully. It now costs less to up our military capacity with the leaps in efficiency. Like industry, there is less reliance on humans and more emphasis on technology. We get a lot more bang for our buck these days, so we buy it. 

The current flare-up is over a nuclear tipped missile Russia rolled out. The Russians are building massively fast offensive nuclear missiles that can likely defeat the missile defenses protecting our backyards. Will it work? Who knows. Can we outspend them to defeat it? Yes we can and will. 

The Democrats and Republicans are united on this front. The USG follow the traditional American assessment of Russia, which welcomes engagement, but treats any act of aggression as a reason to assess our defenses and patch any holes. The Russian remain dangerous with their nuclear weapons and weapons delivery systems. Our diplomatic corp remains engaged with Russia, as they have been since WWII. FDR met with Stalin - perhaps the most evil despot to grace this earth since Hitler - but FDR's administration built our intelligence services. The CIA was born in the Himalayas in the China-Burma-India theatre in WWII.

FDR knew what would happen at the end of WWII when the alliance with the Soviet Union ended. The civilizations were incompatible at that time. The ideology of the Soviet Union was horribly authoritarian and murderous. We knew horrors would occur when the Iron Curtain fell on Eastern Europe - and they did. Putin was an Intelligence Chief for the USSR. We know him better than he knows himself. This is in our wheelhouse. The Democratic Candidates know this and support it. 

But --- Russia raises doubts on Democratic credibility. Trump wants this election to be about Russia. We shouldn't give him the battlefield he prefers. Ukraine and impeachment - not great issues right now.

Corruption - perfect issue. How do we get rid of corruption - remove it like rust with ballots. Don't overlook any potential voter.

[washparkhorn 9,935]

10 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

People still listen to Michael Moore?

Yes they do. He knows what went wrong in Michigan with Clinton against Trump. 

For the rest of the nation? His opinions are less reliable. He is writing off a lot of voters, which is just ignorant. He has Michigan myopia. Good for the midwest - a battleground region. Elsewhere, not as reliable.

Can Sanders win the midwest - yes. The deindustrialization of the Midwest left entire economic classes in poverty and ignored. The poisoning of Flint with lead affected everyone in that city - middle class, working class and poor. The affluent suburbs don't have those problems. Michigan has class strife. Sanders is good and hopeful on that issue. 

[David Dennison 18,661]

3 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

On Russia as a campaign narrative, it is not a winner. 

We are at war with Russia at this moment and have been for some time now. They are our enemy. We are dominating the economic war. We have simmering hot wars against their interests in multiple theaters of war across the globe. That has not changed since Obama. That will never change in any of our lifetimes. We are building our military rapidly. And rightfully. It now costs less to up our military capacity with the leaps in efficiency. Like industry, there is less reliance on humans and more emphasis on technology. We get a lot more bang for our buck these days, so we buy it. 

The current flare-up is over a nuclear tipped missile Russia rolled out. The Russians are building massively fast offensive nuclear missiles that can likely defeat the missile defenses protecting our backyards. Will it work? Who knows. Can we outspend them to defeat it? Yes we can and will. 

The Democrats and Republicans are united on this front. The USG follow the traditional American assessment of Russia, which welcomes engagement, but treats any act of aggression as a reason to assess our defenses and patch any holes. The Russian remain dangerous with their nuclear weapons and weapons delivery systems. Our diplomatic corp remains engaged with Russia, as they have been since WWII. FDR met with Stalin - perhaps the most evil despot to grace this earth since Hitler - but FDR's administration built our intelligence services. The CIA was born in the Himalayas in the China-Burma-India theatre in WWII.

FDR knew what would happen at the end of WWII when the alliance with the Soviet Union ended. The civilizations were incompatible at that time. The ideology of the Soviet Union was horribly authoritarian and murderous. We knew horrors would occur when the Iron Curtain fell on Eastern Europe - and they did. Putin was an Intelligence Chief for the USSR. We know him better than he knows himself. This is in our wheelhouse. The Democratic Candidates know this and support it. 

But --- Russia raises doubts on Democratic credibility. Trump wants this election to be about Russia. We shouldn't give him the battlefield he prefers. Ukraine and impeachment - not great issues right now.

Corruption - perfect issue. How do we get rid of corruption - remove it like rust with ballots. Don't overlook any potential voter.

Russia, Ukraine, and impeachment are about corruption. 

[Anastasis 23,394]

15 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

He’s a complete trump supporting fraud who exposes his ignorance about what he’s spouting about with every post. 

So much confidence when you roll out a monologue with no real content or context. 

[bernorange 8,348]

16 hours ago, BradInATX said:

How confident are we that Anastasis and washparkhorn aren't the same person? ...

100% confidence.

15 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

We can have a confidence level of zero on that. ...

It's funny how time marches on and suddenly you start noticing little things that make you realize you are old.  Bc, wash and Anastasis have been part of this community since before the Shag started - well over a decade.  Bc and wash love to tickle each other.  Anastasis has been consistent in his criticism of civil liberty abuse issues.  ... and I'm 99% confident that all 3 know who Hanoi Jane is too (without having to look her up).

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,414]

I would like to see the facts around these 90K Michigan African Americans that voted democrat but modified their ballot as a protest vote against Hillary. That seems very unlikely as it’s a major coordinated protest vote that no one seems to know about.

i also don’t buy that nominating a centrist Dem or gop-lite candidate guarantees a trump victory. It relies on the assumption that a centrist dem would duplicate hillarys mistakes and that the general public still likes trump as much as they did in 2016.

but with this in mind, the electoral map is pointing towards trump regardless of the dem candidate.  Trump will definitely lose the popular vote by more than he did in 2016 but so what.  I just don’t see trump losing some combination of pa, mi, fl or az. 

[Message Board User 12,389]

Even the candidates want the impeachment over and done with - they know that the voters don't care about it and that Trump's approval ratings have seen an uptick over the past few weeks.

 

[Anastasis 23,394]

20 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I would like to see the facts around these 90K Michigan African Americans that voted democrat but modified their ballot as a protest vote against Hillary. That seems very unlikely as it’s a major coordinated protest vote that no one seems to know about.

There’s a few things being mixed up. There we ~90k undervoted ballots in total in Michigan (Over a million nationally). I have not seen a demographic breakdown. Would like to.  Given the small margin involved in a state like Michigan, even a small break among key demographic groups was enough the effect the election.

There is little doubt that a substantial number of those voters left their presidential selection empty in protest, and rather than do the noble thing and write in Willie, they simply left the spot blank. Or maybe it was the Russians. 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

On 12/27/2019 at 9:59 AM, ChiTownDoc said:

When are D’s gonna realize the avg voter is not BT?  You’re gonna have to play politics to win at...wait for it - politics!

What the hell does "avg voter" even mean?

The average American is constantly broke, hugely in debt, and working a job they either outright hate or view as a burden. Their lives are perpetually tenuous.

21 hours ago, 6th Street said:

So his solution for poor black voter turnout in Michigan is Bernie Sanders lol. 

Him and Biden are who they seem to be favoring right now, so, yes. The primary votes will tell the story there.

16 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

People still listen to Michael Moore?

Considering he is consistently right all the fucking time, yes, and they should.

Right about guns after Columbine, right about our reaction to 9/11, right about our healthcare system, right about Trump winning in 2016. It's like people hate him because he's right all the time.

[ChiTownDoc 21,102]

13 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What the hell does "avg voter" even mean?

The average American is constantly broke, hugely in debt, and working a job they either outright hate or view as a burden. Their lives are perpetually tenuous.

 

Lol.  Ok? 

Point is I said anyone who wants to win the D nomination needed to be moderate and not far left, like you.  You constantly tell us how we are wrong, yet here we are - ole Joe is still leading even though he makes Trump actually look coherent when you look at the two clowns side by side.  

[bad_teammate 13,132]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Point is I said anyone who wants to win the D nomination needed to be moderate and not far left, like you.  

Based on... what? 

Hillary was beaten in key battleground states by an absolute nobody in 2016 who didn't even really start trying until two months before Iowa. Obama was (by FAR) the more progressive candidate in the 2008 primary and handily defeated the Clinton machine.

Most people aren't ideologues. They don't sit down with a slide rule and a printed out political spectrum to plot out where candidates are. That's what we abnormal people like us do.

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You constantly tell us how we are wrong, yet here we are - ole Joe is still leading even though he makes Trump actually look coherent when you look at the two clowns side by side.  

Do you seriously think 'ole Joe would be losing in the polls right now if he announced with full M4A, big Green New Deal, and free college?

No. Joe isn't winning the polls because he's moderate, he's winning the polls because he's Joe. People aren't on Team Joe because of his ideology or his policies, they're on Team Joe because he's a comfort. They don't give a shit about his healthcare plan. Be serious.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

So much confidence when you roll out a monologue with no real content or context. 

Hey that’s what I do right? A tiger can’t change its stripes. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I would like to see the facts around these 90K Michigan African Americans that voted democrat but modified their ballot as a protest vote against Hillary. That seems very unlikely as it’s a major coordinated protest vote that no one seems to know about.

i also don’t buy that nominating a centrist Dem or gop-lite candidate guarantees a trump victory. It relies on the assumption that a centrist dem would duplicate hillarys mistakes and that the general public still likes trump as much as they did in 2016.

but with this in mind, the electoral map is pointing towards trump regardless of the dem candidate.  Trump will definitely lose the popular vote by more than he did in 2016 but so what.  I just don’t see trump losing some combination of pa, mi, fl or az. 

It is. Very unlikely that happened and is very suspicious.

Arizona, Florida and North Carolina are true tossup states in 2020. Both could easily go either way. 

Michigan and Pennsylvania are not. If trump wins those states against anyone not named Hillary Clinton then the vote was stolen again. 

It all may come down to Wisconsin. That should favor the dems but given what happened in 2016 I’m just not sure. 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

36 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Joe is a comfort precisely because he’s not proposing a bunch of radical changes, but instead basically represents going back to the Obama era.  It’s not because people are soothed by looking at his hair plugs regardless of what he says or something.  

So if Joe had announced and said, "We're going to build on our tremendous success with Obamacare by giving Medicare to every American. We're going to build on our tremendous success in protecting the environment and building jobs with a Green New Deal that will save our planet and provide thousands of jobs to working Americans" his current base of old people would be rejecting him?

Why do you think people liked Obama so much in '08?

Seriously try to answer these questions.

What we have in this thread right now is a bunch of white conservative men trying desperately to pretend that the answer for Democrats is to actually just be 1990s Republicans. You guys have a party that you lost to an orange clown and a bunch of hooting fascists. Go fight the war to get it back.

People are comforted by Joe because he is connected to Obama. His policy platform is almost completely immaterial to people who just want a return to the comfort of having Barack Obama as president. Joe is a narrative. The Good Guy Obama left and now Bad Orange Jerk is in place so we need to get Good Guy's best friend to save us from Bad Man. Policy has jack shit to do with this in the minds of Biden's current base.

They say that Bernie is better on policy and prefer Biden anyway.

Edited December 29, 2019 by bad_teammate

[JimmyJames 12,271]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

So if Joe had announced and said, "We're going to build on our tremendous success with Obamacare by giving Medicare to every American. We're going to build on our tremendous success in protecting the environment and building jobs with a Green New Deal that will save our planet and provide thousands of jobs to working Americans" his current base of old people would be rejecting him?

Why do you think people liked Obama so much in '08?

Seriously try to answer these questions.

What we have in this thread right now is a bunch of white conservative men trying desperately to pretend that the answer for Democrats is to actually just be 1990s Republicans. You guys have a party that you lost to an orange clown and a bunch of hooting fascists. Go fight the war to get it back.

People are comforted by Joe because he is connected to Obama. His policy platform is almost completely immaterial to people who just want a return to the comfort of having Barack Obama as president. Joe is a narrative. The Good Guy Obama left and now Bad Orange Jerk is in place so we need to get Good Guy's best friend to save us from Bad Man. Policy has jack shit to do with this in the minds of Biden's current base.

They say that Bernie is better on policy and prefer Biden anyway.

Lot of truth in this post. 

[6th Street 6,357]

Biden winning 44% of the black vote vs 15% for Sanders and 11% for Warren lol. Impossible for anyone to overcome that 

[henrygandorf 29,179]

On 12/28/2019 at 12:23 PM, washparkhorn said:

Michael Moore on how to guarantee Trump wins in 2020 - nominate another Republican-lite Democratic Party nominee - just like they did in 2016.

michigan-based conspiracy theories aside, joe biden is not hillary clinton.  nobody contending for the dem nomination is remotely as unlikable as she was, and trump worked for years to ensure that everyone knew it.

won't work with biden, no matter how many laws trump breaks.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Here's what WILL work with Biden:

The sleaziness of Hunter Biden is epic. He's an absolute shitstorm. He is an inexhaustible well for Donald to draw from.

Do I personally think Hunter is cool? Yes, absolutely. Buying crack from homeless people. Letting a homeless woman live with him while she got on her feet. Banging and impregnating strippers. Kicked out of the military for snorting coke constantly. Do-nothing jobs using dad's name. Fucking and dumping his dead brother's wife. Being a total "namaste" guy. Smashing a rental car while drunk and leaving it full of drug residue and his government job ID. All of it is cool.

Donald is going to go out in front of 20k+ people 3 times a week and sing songs of Hunter Biden and it's going to annihilate Biden's image among the Obama-Trump voter that is the only hope Joe has of winning the Rust Belt back. Trump is going to paint Biden as just another corrupt DC swamp gator, and it's going to work a treat.

Anticipated stupid objections:
"Oh, but if he does, then all Joe has to do is point out that Trump is a hypocrite with his own failed children!"
"Candidates stay away from each other's children!"

[henrygandorf 29,179]

22 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Anticipated stupid objections:
"Oh, but if he does, then all Joe has to do is point out that Trump is a hypocrite with his own failed children!"
"Candidates stay away from each other's children!"

#3 - trump is going to do that regardless of his opponent.  and regardless of the veracity of the attack.  his playbook has one page in it.

[ChiTownDoc 21,102]

50 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Here's what WILL work with Biden:

The sleaziness of Hunter Biden is epic. He's an absolute shitstorm. He is an inexhaustible well for Donald to draw from.

Do I personally think Hunter is cool? Yes, absolutely. Buying crack from homeless people. Letting a homeless woman live with him while she got on her feet. Banging and impregnating strippers. Kicked out of the military for snorting coke constantly. Do-nothing jobs using dad's name. Fucking and dumping his dead brother's wife. Being a total "namaste" guy. Smashing a rental car while drunk and leaving it full of drug residue and his government job ID. All of it is cool.

Donald is going to go out in front of 20k+ people 3 times a week and sing songs of Hunter Biden and it's going to annihilate Biden's image among the Obama-Trump voter that is the only hope Joe has of winning the Rust Belt back. Trump is going to paint Biden as just another corrupt DC swamp gator, and it's going to work a treat.

Anticipated stupid objections:
"Oh, but if he does, then all Joe has to do is point out that Trump is a hypocrite with his own failed children!"
"Candidates stay away from each other's children!"

Post was solid descrip of Hunter and I got a good laugh out of it - I don't get the last part.  Is there a single poster on here who would say either of those objections?  Hunter is a fucking mess...we all get it.  And me thinking Biden is going to win because he caters to the middle does NOT mean I think he's a decent candidate.  Of course, I'll hold my nose and vote for him but it's a disaster for the D's. 

Edited December 29, 2019 by ChiTownDoc

[JimmyJames 12,271]

44 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Here's what WILL work with Biden:

The sleaziness of Hunter Biden is epic. He's an absolute shitstorm. He is an inexhaustible well for Donald to draw from.

Do I personally think Hunter is cool? Yes, absolutely. Buying crack from homeless people. Letting a homeless woman live with him while she got on her feet. Banging and impregnating strippers. Kicked out of the military for snorting coke constantly. Do-nothing jobs using dad's name. Fucking and dumping his dead brother's wife. Being a total "namaste" guy. Smashing a rental car while drunk and leaving it full of drug residue and his government job ID. All of it is cool.

Donald is going to go out in front of 20k+ people 3 times a week and sing songs of Hunter Biden and it's going to annihilate Biden's image among the Obama-Trump voter that is the only hope Joe has of winning the Rust Belt back. Trump is going to paint Biden as just another corrupt DC swamp gator, and it's going to work a treat.

Anticipated stupid objections:
"Oh, but if he does, then all Joe has to do is point out that Trump is a hypocrite with his own failed children!"
"Candidates stay away from each other's children!"

Lot of dumb in this post.

Trump attacking hunter Biden isn’t gonna do jack shit to ole Joe. He should just say trump and hunter did blow together and he wishes donald would stop doing it. 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

6 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Considering he is consistently right all the fucking time, yes, and they should.

Right about guns after Columbine, right about our reaction to 9/11, right about our healthcare system, right about Trump winning in 2016. It's like people hate him because he's right all the time.

He’s right about 90K black voters with a straight D ticket and no Clinton vote? Seriously?

[bad_teammate 13,132]

#3 - trump is going to do that regardless of his opponent.  and regardless of the veracity of the attack.  his playbook has one page in it.

It's not just about what Trump tries, but what will actually stick.

He's going to throw whatever grenades we hand him, and with Joe we are handing him a truckload.

Klobuchar: No idea other than her treatment of subordinates

Bernie: A loser in his youth who had a child out of wedlock

Buttigieg: Little nerd nobody

Warren: Pocahontas

Biden: Corrupt DC politician with sick family

[bad_teammate 13,132]

He’s right about 90K black voters with a straight D ticket and no Clinton vote? Seriously?

She tanked the black vote terribly.

[henrygandorf 29,179]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's not just about what Trump tries, but what will actually stick.

He's going to throw whatever grenades we hand him, and with Joe we are handing him a truckload.

Klobuchar: No idea other than her treatment of subordinates

Bernie: A loser in his youth who had a child out of wedlock

Buttigieg: Little nerd nobody

Warren: Pocahontas

Biden: Corrupt DC politician with sick family

lulz, you really think this is what he'll say if bernie is the nominee?

bernie is the easiest one (but you already knew that).

[bad_teammate 13,132]

lulz, you really think this is what he'll say if bernie is the nominee?
bernie is the easiest one (but you already knew that).

He will also say Bernie is a crazy Communist, of course.

The voters that Bernie must bring in to win the primary won't be swayed by that in the general.

[henrygandorf 29,179]

19 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He will also say Bernie is a crazy Communist, of course.

The voters that Bernie must bring in to win the primary won't be swayed by that in the general.

the stuff he'll say about bernie is similar to the stuff he'll say about biden's son, in that both are true.

not gonna matter either way.

[Hank Scorpio 17,723]

It's always been a problem for Bernie that he's running around scamming foreigners out of money for access while doing mountains of cocaine and fucking Larry David's wife. 

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Bernie being a crazy socialist is baked in.

[henrygandorf 29,179]

38 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie being a crazy socialist is baked in.

that's all he needs to convince stupid people.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

Democrats are more positive about socialism than capitalism.

Among young people specifically, capitalism's popularity is plummeting. (I love the generational chart, holy SHIT Gen X sucks in so many ways.)

Among the voters Bernie needs, "HE'S A CRAZY SOCIALIST!" isn't going to matter.

[ChiTownDoc 21,102]

Yes Joe may be comfort.  Comfort bc he doesn’t spew any crazy ass ideas on the far left and bash billionaires.  By not doing those things he gets a pass on being a pervert etc - That’s a sad fact.  

People deciding the D nomination are not BT no matter how much he wants it to be so.  Now let the current olds die off and we may have a good argument.  

[bad_teammate 13,132]

6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yes Joe may be comfort.  Comfort bc he doesn’t spew any crazy ass ideas on the far left and bash billionaires.

Which of Bernie's "crazy ass ideas on the far left" are unpopular with Democratic voters?

Do Democratic voters feel hurt and offended when billionaires are bashed?

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People deciding the D nomination are not BT no matter how much he wants it to be so. 

Who said it was? I'm a weirdo. I'm an anomaly. I don't matter at all.

What DOES matter, however, is enthusiasm and GOTV.

Bernie's chance to win isn't based on winning over people like me. People like me pay good money to the Human Rights Campaign to watch Chasten Buttigieg give a speech and drink surprisingly strong cocktails.

Bernie's chance to win is based on the MASSIVE grassroots enthusiasm from small-dollar donors and the legion of volunteers who show up. That's where Bernie's campaign lives or dies. A diverse coalition from across the racial and economic spectrum showing up is how he wins. I'll be part of it as best I can, but it's not people like me who will propel him.

[henrygandorf 29,179]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Among the voters Bernie needs

you've said this twice now.  are you talking about the voters bernie needs to win the primary vs the voters biden needs to win the general?

[Biff Tannen 45,499]

12 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

It's always been a problem for Bernie that he's running around scamming foreigners out of money for access while doing mountains of cocaine and fucking Larry David's wife. 

Cheryl Hines?

[cactusflinthead 27,594]

And a 16 point lead among women 

Nobody gives a shit about his son. 

[Pancho 44,487]

This is good 

 

[mchookem 16,226]

yeah... so Hunter is a sleaze... he's not running for president. that should be Joe's response to every attack. 

people that would be up in arms about it would never vote D anyway.

[bad_teammate 13,132]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

This is good 

Yep. We need the non-white vote to fix a bunch of things in this country.

24 minutes ago, mchookem said:

yeah... so Hunter is a sleaze... he's not running for president. that should be Joe's response to every attack. 

people that would be up in arms about it would never vote D anyway.

That won't be Joe's response, though. He'll say, "HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT MY SON, BUSTER BROWN! I'LL GIVE YOU THE 'OLE JACK JOHNSON ONE-TWO!"

And honestly, that's a good response. Angry defense of family is a good look. Makes you look tough and strong and assertive and like a fighter.

But that last sentence of yours is wrong. People up in arms about Hunter banging rocks with whores? Yes, those people are Trumpkins.

But there are a ton of Obama-Trump people who put corruption very high up on the list. They hate DC and they hate the swamp. They don't care about plowing your dead brother's wife, but they DO care about abuse of power and privilege and taxpayer money. Can they be hypocritical and blind in how they apply that? Sure, but it matters to them.