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2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Yes, ND is a bubble surrounded by poverty that it is blind to. You're right.

Which side of the bubble was Pete raised on?

What schools did he go to? With whom did his family socialize?

Where did he ride his bike? Where did he go out for dinner? What parks did he play in? Did he see the old Studebaker building? Did he notice the poverty? Did he notice the struggle? Why did he leave McKinsey to return to Indiana? Why did he run for mayor of his hometown? 

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28 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

In this one instance, it was, and that is why the Dems were idiots to choose this matter, of all the kilometric fuckton of megafuckery Trump has pulled, to impeach on.

They had to know the Senate won't convict, and they had to know that their Golden Boy mainstream candidate would be tarred beyond redemption by the process and its aftermath, which is exactly what is going to happen.

If they did not know both of those things, they are even bigger idiots than I thought, but I guess I am the biggest moron of of all for thinking there was a bottom to their stupidity.

You definitely got one thing right. You are the biggest moron of all 

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I for one am finding that this impeachment process, as frustrating as it is given the utter douchebaggery of the GOP, to be going much better than I thought it would.

And frankly, damaging Biden at this point is good.  If it leads to a better Dem nominee, I am fine with it, and if Biden survives it, well, that means he's strong enough to survive it.

 

 

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Mike Deogracias, who went to high school with Buttigieg, said he loved “the claw game -- the thing that comes down to pick up toys.”

“Oftentimes, I'd go to Walmart and he would be there, playing the game — you know, winning something and giving it to a kid,” he said. “Nobody can, like, really win the claw game, and he perfected it.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-candidate-pete-buttigiegs-childhood-college-friends-talk/story?id=65540069

Walmart? Claw game?  Elitist fuck. And the fucking nerve of him STILL partaking in this upper class bullshit. 

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Did he notice the poverty? Did he notice the struggle?

Pete said recently that he was SURPRISED to learn that south Bend's schools were still segregated when he became mayor.

He's a private school kid with professor parents. That's fine, I've got no problem with that. But this isn't a horny-handed son of toil.

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Why did he leave McKinsey to return to Indiana?

Don't know. Maybe he wasn't asked back to McKinsey and needed something new. Maybe his experience at McKinsey made him aware of a need he didn't see before. Maybe he wanted to be closer to his family.

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Why did he run for mayor of his hometown? 

Because his bid for state treasurer failed.

He's got a lot of great intentions. I'm not saying he's evil or bad, but this idea that he's some HEARTLAND WARRIOR is a transparent joke.

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You guys are fucking lunatics.  I don't own firearms or clear brush or hunt wild hogs or deer and I didn't play football and didn't do a lot of country dancing and but I grew up in San Antonio and went back to school at UT so anyone guffawing at the idea that I was shaped by Central Texas is just being a stupid dick. 

If Booker had grown up in and been mayor if Indianapolis he would have been a much better candidate than he was. 

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3 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You guys are fucking lunatics.  I don't own firearms or clear brush or hunt wild hogs or deer and I didn't play football and didn't do a lot of country dancing and but I grew up in San Antonio and went back to school at UT so anyone guffawing at the idea that I was shaped by Central Texas is just being a stupid dick. 

If Booker had grown up in and been mayor if Indianapolis he would have been a much better candidate than he was. 

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I guess the case for Pete is that he wins Iowa and/or NH and then that makes the non-white voters think, "Oh, he's viable!" and his support among them goes up by a factor of 10 or 20?

there isn't a realistic road map for pete, but i would say it would be some combination of that ^^ and a biden health issue.

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24 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You guys are fucking lunatics.  I don't own firearms or clear brush or hunt wild hogs or deer and I didn't play football and didn't do a lot of country dancing and but I grew up in San Antonio and went back to school at UT so anyone guffawing at the idea that I was shaped by Central Texas is just being a stupid dick. 

If Booker had grown up in and been mayor if Indianapolis he would have been a much better candidate than he was. 

I agree, the criticism regarding Pete being the child of a college professor while being raised in SB is very superficial. I am sure he had a comfortable life but it isn't like he was raised by a hedge fund manager.

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21 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

https://twitter.com/DonWinslow16/status/1222231961231667200

 

Ironically this video pushes me even more away from M4A. It's mind numbing to think that companies like Aetna, BCBS, and Cigna are going to disappear overnight. Bernie even admitted that he has no idea how much M4A is going to cost. All it's going to take is one study to show how much the government is overpaying and these companies will swoop in and do the managing of M4A benefits. The public is going to demand it and the Republicans will sign it into law (because we sure as hell know that once M4A passes it's not going away). That's why the GOP is fighting it so hard. M4A will be the next social security. If any candidate openly said "when I'm President the first thing I'm going to do is make cuts to social security" they'd be laughed off the ballot. 

Understand that my perspective is from someone who has been in health care since the early 2000s. During undergrad I worked at a doctor's office doing prior auths and you'd be surprised how spending can get out of control. Who is going to reign it in? Whoever the Dems nominate will have to answer that question before I get onboard. 

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19 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Ironically this video pushes me even more away from M4A. It's mind numbing to think that companies like Aetna, BCBS, and Cigna are going to disappear overnight. Bernie even admitted that he has no idea how much M4A is going to cost. All it's going to take is one study to show how much the government is overpaying and these companies will swoop in and do the managing of M4A benefits. The public is going to demand it and the Republicans will sign it into law (because we sure as hell know that once M4A passes it's not going away). That's why the GOP is fighting it so hard. M4A will be the next social security. If any candidate openly said "when I'm President the first thing I'm going to do is make cuts to social security" they'd be laughed off the ballot. 

Understand that my perspective is from someone who has been in health care since the early 2000s. During undergrad I worked at a doctor's office doing prior auths and you'd be surprised how spending can get out of control. Who is going to reign it in? Whoever the Dems nominate will have to answer that question before I get onboard. 

They will not disappear overnight. And - as with Medicare - CMS will contract with vendors and the legions of billing specialists to control costs and fraud. Let me see if I can find a chart on the cost of public and private health care. But good question.

Here is the chart - take a look at how out of whack our system is when looking at private and public spending compared to the other countries. We waste money that does not go to healthcare.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPeqSAtWAAMxTna?format=jpg&name=medium

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10 minutes ago, F250 said:

I agree, the criticism regarding Pete being the child of a college professor while being raised in SB is very superficial. I am sure he had a comfortable life but it isn't like he was raised by a hedge fund manager.

Who is arguing that he was?

He was raised in middle class comfort and was surrounded by intellectual workers and their children in private schools. And that's fine. I strove to make sure my kids were raised in as nice an area as I could afford with the best (public) schools around. I do not think less of them for that. But if they ran for office saying their upbringing meant they represented some kind of rural or yeoman-class value system, simply because there were poor people within a 2-mile radius of our house, I would slap them in the back of the head.

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It's mind numbing to think that companies like Aetna, BCBS, and Cigna are going to disappear overnight.

Why? Who cares?

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Bernie even admitted that he has no idea how much M4A is going to cost.

No he hasn't. Are you talking about the shill Norah O'Donnell question where she lumped "all" of his plans together and demanded a cost for all of it in 3 seconds and she started interrupting him as he tried to answer?

He's cited multiple studies showing that M4A would be ~$3.2T/year

Which is significantly lower than the overall cost of our current, complex public/private system.

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On 1/29/2020 at 10:32 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah that sounds nice but if you don't know the Bernie cult, they're pre-programmed to gaslight, dismiss, and whatabout any criticism of High Sparrow Bernard.  This is a trend I'm picking up. 

I repped this because "High Sparrow Bernard" is fucking funny. 

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On 1/29/2020 at 11:07 AM, Js1 said:

Biden doesn’t bring the visceral hatred from a decades long smear campaign.  He’s def not part of the “lesser of two evils” type of candidate.  People that voted for Trump Bc of a “devil you know” type deal don’t have much of a dislike of Biden the Dude. 

They like him actually. Which truly chaps the Twitterati because in their hearts, he’s the worst. But he ain’t. 

Indeed, and that's why I'm still on Biden.

 

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Holy shit, this fucker grew up with a Nintendo in high school? Look at that furniture! Which fucking antique store in Nantucket did they go to to purchase? That art piece in the background is stunning. 

Pete and his dad are basically Charles and Mark Van Doren. 

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Reminder because our voter registration laws are designed to suppress voting - the deadline to register in SC is TODAY.

In Colorado, you have until February 3rd to register as a Democrat or Unaffiliated.

Here are the deadlines from a Sanders organization - but please verify in your own state.  - https://voteforbernie.org

The deadlines are approaching quickly. Do it today and tell a friend. 

Edit - And TEXAS - you have to register by February 3rd (4 more days). Do it now, please.

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22 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Who is arguing that he was?

He was raised in middle class comfort and was surrounded by intellectual workers and their children in private schools. And that's fine. I strove to make sure my kids were raised in as nice an area as I could afford with the best (public) schools around. I do not think less of them for that. But if they ran for office saying their upbringing meant they represented some kind of rural or yeoman-class value system, simply because there were poor people within a 2-mile radius of our house, I would slap them in the back of the head.

I don't keep up with Pete. Did he really claim to be shaped by a rural upbringing as if he was the son of a farmer or was this just a reference to growing up in the Midwest?

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35 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

meant they represented some kind of rural or yeoman-class value system, s

How the fuck to you get from "America's Heartland" to "rural or yoeman-class"?

Definitions, motherfucker.  Use them.

He's not saying he's a farmer from American's heartland.  He's saying he's from Americas heartland, which he is.

 

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4 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

He's not saying he's a farmer from American's heartland.  He's saying he's from Americas heartland, which he is.

What defines a vision shaped by America's Heartland?

(Hint - It's meant to differentiate country folk from city folk.)

Wine Cave Heartland Pete is tired of the typical big city ways of... uh... Warren and Sanders?

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

Eh, seems like he is just trying to flash his Midwest credentials for the Iowa caucus.

Yes, of course that's what he's doing. And I'm laughing at it.

 

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Oh great now we're going to get some yokel in the pocket of Big Gravy?!?

No, it's going to come down to Bernie and Biden, which is basically a repeat of Bernie and Clinton. When Biden inevitably gets the nomination, it's going to split the party and an impeached doofus is going to get re-elected.

That kind of sucks.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

No, it's going to come down to Bernie and Biden, which is basically a repeat of Bernie and Clinton. When Biden inevitably gets the nomination, it's going to split the party and an impeached doofus is going to get re-elected.

That kind of sucks.

Has Brisket taken you to court for stealing his doom gimmick?

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Just now, bad_teammate said:

Has Brisket taken you to court for stealing his doom gimmick?

It's not a gimmick. It's staring you in the face. Bernie Sanders will never be the nominee because the DNC will not allow it and that is going to piss you and a whole lot of other people off. It's going to split the party.

 

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Bernie Sanders will never be the nominee because the DNC will not allow it

You keep saying this.

Please explain to me the practical reality of what you think they are going to do. There is no single power-broker named "DNC" who will just yell "NO!" at the convention. It's a process with rules and procedures.

Tell me what you think will happen if Bernie walks in with 51% of the pledged delegates.

With specifics.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

No, it's going to come down to Bernie and Biden, which is basically a repeat of Bernie and Clinton. When Biden inevitably gets the nomination, it's going to split the party and an impeached doofus is going to get re-elected.

That kind of sucks.

Bernie Beats Trump - 

https://twitter.com/Ontheotherhand/status/1222936094859198465

 

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19 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

He's not saying he's a farmer from American's heartland.  He's saying he's from Americas heartland, which he is.

to properly shit on pete, it typically requires a dishonest jump in logic between steps.  but it's about the destination, not the journey.  as long as you can mock on twitter and get likes from the woke left, then you've achieved your goal and can sleep well at night.

after 4-5 months, you pick up a pattern.

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not a gimmick. It's staring you in the face. Bernie Sanders will never be the nominee because the DNC will not allow it and that is going to piss you and a whole lot of other people off. It's going to split the party.

 

Bernie will be the nominee. The never trumper republicans who have invaded the establishment looking for a home will not like it, but they are not Democrats (or democrats for that matter).

https://twitter.com/kallllisti/status/1222940066730741760

 

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4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

You keep saying this.

Please explain to me the practical reality of what you think they are going to do. There is no single power-broker named "DNC" who will just yell "NO!" at the convention. It's a process with rules and procedures.

Tell me what you think will happen if Bernie walks in with 51% of the pledged delegates.

With specifics.

They'll find a reason to reject those delegates.

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2 hours ago, tantric superman said:

I for one am finding that this impeachment process, as frustrating as it is given the utter douchebaggery of the GOP, to be going much better than I thought it would.

And frankly, damaging Biden at this point is good.  If it leads to a better Dem nominee, I am fine with it, and if Biden survives it, well, that means he's strong enough to survive it.

 

 

That's my take.  Frankly, I would like to see Biden testify.

I actually have a lot of confidence that Biden would do well in that venue.  He knows the Senate.  He'd be comfortable.  I have no confidence in Biden in virtually any other forum, though.

If he dies, he dies.

But I think you're right that it's looking like he may come out of this being strengthened, which is pretty ironic.

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

No, it's going to come down to Bernie and Biden, which is basically a repeat of Bernie and Clinton. When Biden inevitably gets the nomination, it's going to split the party and an impeached doofus is going to get re-elected.

That kind of sucks.

I think you're really understating Clinton's unpopularity and overstating Biden's.  The two are not really comparable.

Beyond that, there's an entirely different dynamic in a race with five real candidates than there was in 2016 with only two candidates.  Right now, Bernie is being attacked by Warren and Bloomberg.  Biden has really sat back and stayed out of it.  So when the Bros are pissed, they're getting pissed at Warren and Bloomberg.  They haven't been personally offended by Biden.  That puts Biden in a position where he can more easily unify the party by cozying up to Bernie if Biden is able to get the delegates.

Clinton could never do that.  In a two-candidate field, she was necessarily the anti-Bernie.  She was the candidate against which Bernie was defined.  So when she won, Bernie's supporters's resentment was necessarily focused on her in a way that it isn't focused in a multi-candidate primary.

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