2020 Democratic Nominee

406W30th · February 2, 2020

Edited February 2, 2020 by 406W30th

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

That is 100% spot-on.

You build yourself up for years as morally superior to the right because of positions that are further left than theirs. Then someone to your left taps you on the shoulder and says, "Your position on X is actually closer to that Republican's than it is to mine."

And what's the response?

"PURITY TEST!"

F250 · February 2, 2020

Fozzz · February 2, 2020

Little doubt in my mind Bernie sweeps Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada. It’s going to be glorious.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

lol

troph · February 2, 2020

I have no problem supporting Bernie if he wins, none. I’m very concerned the supreme goal isn’t get Trump out. Be that Bernie, Warren, Biden or whomever. We all have to bite our tongues and vote for the nominee. Full disclosure I’m a Warren supporter. Started with Beto then Warren and haven’t changed. Biden won’t move it that far left but we will get better judges, reinstatement of a whole lot of progressive policy in the scientific departments, rhetoric will be restorative of our institutions and while that’s wholly inadequate, we simply can not afford on any level 4 more years of Trump.

Go all in on Bernie, I love it, more please. And for the love of god, this isn’t like the aggies cheering for the SEC this is our country and if the blue olds not very online crowd gives it Biden we have to get behind him.

Edited February 2, 2020 by troph

troph · February 2, 2020

On 1/28/2020 at 1:00 PM, bad_teammate said:

So the DNC announced their lineup for leadership at the 2020 nomination convention in Wisconsin.
One of the co-chairs of the platform committee is Meghan Stabler.
Who is she?
Well, she's on the board of a PAC that is about to spend $700k+ launching an attack ad against Bernie Sanders in Iowa.

I hope that Tweet from earlier is true, because this organization is so corrupt that I have 0 trust in it. If they decide the candidate over the will of the people, I will not support their chosen candidate and I will encourage others to either leave the top line blank or write in the candidate who came into the convention with the most delegates.

Edited February 2, 2020 by troph
Tapa is crap

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

New donor map from NYT.

Just like the first time, they had to do a no-Bernie version so that other candidates could show up.

Zoom in for Warren and Pete support.

It's a coincidence that their support is HEAVILY concentrated in exactly the places where media outlets are headquartered. lol

troph · February 2, 2020

On 1/28/2020 at 1:00 PM, bad_teammate said:

So the DNC announced their lineup for leadership at the 2020 nomination convention in Wisconsin.

One of the co-chairs of the platform committee is Meghan Stabler.

Who is she?

Well, she's on the board of a PAC that is about to spend $700k+ launching an attack ad against Bernie Sanders in Iowa.

I hope that Tweet from earlier is true, because this organization is so corrupt that I have 0 trust in it. If they decide the candidate over the will of the people, I will not support their chosen candidate and I will encourage others to either leave the top line blank or write in the candidate who came into the convention with the most delegates.

So Meghan is a friend of mine. Not a close one but someone I would definitely count as one. And this is the kind of bullshit that pisses me off about Bernie supporters. Much like washpark’s drive by slam on HRC’s (the organization) new leader Alphonso Davis, this is a narrow single issue focus drive by pot shot by the tweeter and you.

Did you know Meghan is on the national board of Planned Parenthood? Did you know she was a national director of the Human Rights Campaign? Did you know she served as a Texas delegate to the convention for Obama and further served in his administration in a limited role on a commission (which one currently escapes me). Did you know in addition to Reproductive Freedom traditional Israeli sovereignty is a major issue for her? I’m sure you know she was an HRC (the candidate) supporter. The point here is she didn't come out of nowhwere.

Did you also know she's transgender?

The thing is, she's been highlighted and promoted for a lot of reasons but the angle currently being taken by the Bernie Bros? She hates freedom. No she's not a Bernie supporter, but I have no doubt she will fall in line if/when he wins the nominee.

Look, I can count one hand the trans folk that have the access to break through the ceiling we face everywhere. I happen to think I might be one of them, but dang I have to raise my kids first, I've simply put them through a lot and they deserve some down time. Meghan though, is absolutely one of them on a very, very short list. Even moreso than me. And ALL progressives should see her promotion regardless of who she supports as a FANTASTIC outcome. But she's not a Bernie supporter so nope, let's smear her.

This is exactly why Bernie is a problem for moderates and establishment folks. Running Meghan through the mud without knowing a damn thing about her is pure crap.

Edited February 2, 2020 by troph

Rougarou · February 2, 2020

But also your post kinda sounds like “she’s like me, so I like her despite her flaws and problematic political behaviors. And if you drag her then you might be problematic because she is a high functioning trans after-all, as an FYI...”

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

8 minutes ago, troph said:

So Meghan is a friend of mine. Not a close one but someone I would definitely count as one. And this is the kind of bullshit that pisses me off about Bernie supporters. Much like washpark’s drive by slam on HRC’s (the organization) new leader Alphonso Davis, this is a narrow single issue focus drive by pot shot by the tweeter and you.

Did you know Meghan is on the national board of Planned Parenthood? Did you know she was a national director of the Human Rights Campaign? Did you know she served as a Texas delegate to the convention for Obama and further served in his administration in a limited role on a commission (which one currently escapes me). Did you know in addition to Reproductive Freedom traditional Israeli sovereignty is a major issue for her? I’m sure you know she was an HRC (the candidate) supporter. The point here is she didn't come out of nowhwere.

Did you also know she's transgender?

Her status as a transgender person has nothing to do with the reality that she is nominated to be a convention co-chair AND she is part of a group running attack ads against the arguable frontrunner in the primary. Her LGBT identity is not a shield against this simple and obvious observation. It's not some kind of trump card to pull out when an argument is being lost.

I fully support her transition. I want her to live the best life she can, free of discrimination and intolerance. Any medical needs she has as a result of her transition should be funded by the taxpayers as a whole as a show of unity with our LGBT brothers and sisters.

I also don't think anyone who is actively running attack ads against candidates should be part of the DNC convention committees

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Look, I can count one hand the trans folk that have the access to break through the ceiling we face everywhere. I happen to think I might be one of them, but dang I have to raise my kids first, I've simply put them through a lot and they deserve some down time. Meghan though, is absolutely one of them on a very, very short list. Even moreso than me. And ALL progressives should se her promotion regardless of who she supports as a FANTASTIC outcome. But she's not a Bernie supporter so nope, let's smear her.

This is dishonest, and you know it.

She is helping run attack ads, that is not nearly the same thing as simply having a list of preferred candidates.

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This is exactly why Bernie is a problem for moderates and establishment folks. Running Meghan through the mud without knowing a damn thing about her is pure bullshit.

What did I say about her that was untrue or unfair or out of line?

troph · February 2, 2020

There is no obligation for a delegate to stay out of the political fray. None. And it makes no sense to have delegates stay neutral as though they are a referee in an athletic event. That’s silly. She doesn’t support your guy so smear her. Claim she’s appointed because she is on a PAC board. That PAC is a pro-Israeli group not a per se anti-Bernie group. There’s nothing wrong with her being politically involved. NOTHING. My statements are not disingenuous. And her appointment is a progressive win, a really big win. You just can’t see it because BERNIEEEEEEEE!!!!! And that’s what’s out of line and it’s why many of us cannot stand Bernie supporters.

I frankly can’t watch and listen to politics much more this cycle because of two factions - Trump and his supporters and Bernie supporters. Don’t have much of an issue with him alone, it’s just the rabid followers that drive me up the wall.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

You think a party convention policy committee should consist of people who run attack ads against candidates.

I don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And yes, you're being extremely disingenuous by irrationally trying to tie this up with her status as a transgender person and paint me (of all fucking people here) as transphobic for criticizing her appointment. You know how wrong that is, but whatever, class interests are gonna class interest.

Unity for thee, but not for me!

troph · February 2, 2020

No I’m not. If you knew what it was like to try and break through as a trans person you’d walk that disingenuous comment way the fuck back. Check your goddamned privilege dude. There are less than 5 trans people I know in this entire country that have any chance at political office. LESS THAN FIVE. There are MILLIONS OF WHITE MEN that can run. I’m not being disingenuous. Not one bit.

And this isn’t a court case or a basketball game, it’s party politics. There is no neutrality. You should know that.

The issue is will folks support the nominee with enthusiasm and I know she will and I doubt Bernie bro’s will. The reality is y’all disgust me.

Js1 · February 2, 2020

This website would explode

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This website would explode

More bullshit Bernie Bro narrative.

Pete is very popular among white people. Iowa is full of 'em.

I am not going into Iowa expecting some kind of Bernie coronation. The demographics are dead against him and always have been. His only path in Iowa is to remake the caucus demographic.

14 minutes ago, troph said:

No I’m not. If you knew what it was like to try and break through as a trans person you’d walk that disingenuous comment way the fuck back. Check your goddamned privilege dude. There are less than 5 trans people I know in this entire country that have any chance at political office. LESS THAN FIVE. There are MILLIONS OF WHITE MEN that can run. I’m not being disingenuous. Not one bit.

And this isn’t a court case or a basketball game, it’s party politics. There is no neutrality. You should know that.

The issue is will folks support the nominee with enthusiasm and I know she will and I doubt Bernie bro’s will. The reality is y’all disgust me.

Is it good to have a trans person on the policy committee? Hell yes. Well past time.

Should someone who is actively running attack ads against a candidate be on a DNC convention committee? No.

Her identity doesn't cancel that out for me. I wouldn't care if it was a black immigrant trans woman running attack ads against Biden.

Red Five · February 2, 2020

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/480523-is-hillary-clinton-angling-to-become-vice-president

troph · February 2, 2020

And prefacing your critique with you support our basic rights is what’s really disingenuous. She wasn’t promoted because she was anti-Bernie. She was promoted because she a fantastic progressive and her promotion is true to progressive values. Her involvement with that PAC is an issue not a candidate. I don’t see the problem but then I understand politics and choosing a candidate is not about neutrality. Again she’s not being asked to check her politics or her involvement at the door and I know for a fact she will support Bernie if he comes out as the nominee.

There more to trans life than basic rights - well at least for a few of us who are fortunate enough to have made it through with basic rights still in tact. This is a big deal for moving the ball forward for the progressive cause.

Js1 · February 2, 2020

7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/480523-is-hillary-clinton-angling-to-become-vice-president

JFC the Hill is such clickbait garbage

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

14 minutes ago, troph said:

And prefacing your critique with you support our basic rights is what’s really disingenuous.

If someone's going to try to paint me (of all the people here) as a transphobe I'm going to (very gently) set the record straight.

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She wasn’t promoted because she was anti-Bernie. She was promoted because she a fantastic progressive and her promotion is true to progressive values.

I'm sure this is all true. I don't think she was promoted because she's anti-Bernie.

In fact, I'm sure many of the people on the convention committee appointment list hate him.

If we really care about unity, then how can we have convention committees with people on them that ran LITERAL ATTACK ADS against any nominee and pretend that unity is a real concept?

Now, if you want to argue that attack ads are fine and unity isn't the real goal, cool. I appreciate ethical consistency. More blood for the blood gods? Cool. I respect a naked wolf more than one wearing sheep's clothes.

But let's look at the attack ad...

Here are the uh... important issues (?) this ad is about...

- People in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Iowa won't vote for a socialist
- He had a heart attack
- Bernie can't beat Trump

Please tell me which one of these things is an issue for an amazing and passionate progressive. Because frankly, it's fucking stupid as hell and embarrassing.

What is "moving the ball forward for the progressive cause" about this divisiveness?

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FondrenRoad · February 2, 2020

17 minutes ago, troph said:

No I’m not. If you knew what it was like to try and break through as a trans person you’d walk that disingenuous comment way the fuck back. Check your goddamned privilege dude. There are less than 5 trans people I know in this entire country that have any chance at political office. LESS THAN FIVE. There are MILLIONS OF WHITE MEN that can run. I’m not being disingenuous. Not one bit.

And this isn’t a court case or a basketball game, it’s party politics. There is no neutrality. You should know that.

The issue is will folks support the nominee with enthusiasm and I know she will and I doubt Bernie bro’s will. The reality is y’all disgust me.

DSA type folks often don't understand that they are working for a PAC too. One that works the tax system as well as a Koch brother. And that planned targeted social media attacks are not only the equivalent of an attack ad buy, but are also more effective in today's world.

The real problem for Bernie Bros is that it's almost impossible for him to have supporters on the convention committees because he isn't a Democrat, and that nearly all of the nominees have experience campaigning for Democrats.

Once some of the younger new progressives like AOC who actually stay in the party become Presidential candidates, they'll have supporters on the committees. Some of those will be reformed Bernie Bros who spent the prior decade smearing every Democratic candidate possible on social media.

The other issue is that they are currently assholes. They are people who treat minor disagreements the same as major ones and create a chasm where none should exist. And they are also currently enveloped in a cult of personality behind a single individual. To them, his policies are less important than he is. They need Bernie. They'd rather have Trump fucking shit up than have Warren bring some of Bernie's policies to life.

Bad teammate is a prime example of this as he has smeared every other candidate while also throwing out "poor Bernie is always being attacked" a ton of times. Probably does the same on Twitter. Maybe even with a blue checked account with a couple hundred thousand followers. Those things don't count though. I mean Twitter only won the last election for Trump, and nobody in surly's Cloak Room is really influenced by political speech.

Hank Scorpio · February 2, 2020

troph · February 2, 2020

But also your post kinda sounds like “she’s like me, so I like her despite her flaws and problematic political behaviors. And if you drag her then you might be problematic because she is a high functioning trans after-all, as an FYI...”

She’s playing by the rules. And the rules are stacked the heck against us. So yeah I’m for her because she’s like me. When I was ostensibly a straight white cisgender dude it wasn’t a thing. When you belong to a group that is systematically oppressed you take sides. I’m not going to apologize or hide from that.

And I guarantee you she and I don’t see eye to eye on a number of issues and I probably wouldn’t be on a single issue PAC board that isn’t wholly supported by the progressive movement. But that’s not the rule. But Bernie folks picked up on one issue and are slamming her for it. She’s not appointed because she hates Bernie. She’s appointed because she belongs. I’m pissed because Bernie Bros claim to be progressives BUT if you aren’t pro-Bernie and you get in the way then you’re slammed. And without remorse and without boundaries at times. I guarantee you the quickest route for me to be called a tranny on the web by a progressive is to jump into the fray debating Bernie Bros. That frothy way about them is the disingenuous part of this whole thing. There is no neutrality in politics, NONE. Convince folks, stop drumming up a conspiracy. There are a ton of folks in the middle that need convincing and running a delegate through the mud isn’t the way to go about it.

troph · February 2, 2020

DSA type folks often don't understand that they are working for a PAC too. One that works the tax system as well as a Koch brother. And that planned targeted social media attacks are not only the equivalent of an attack ad buy, but are also more effective in today's world.
The real problem for Bernie Bros is that it's almost impossible for him to have supporters on the convention committees because he isn't a Democrat, and that nearly all of the nominees have experience campaigning for Democrats.
Once some of the younger new progressives like AOC who actually stay in the party become Presidential candidates, they'll have supporters on the committees. Some of those will be reformed Bernie Bros who spent the prior decade smearing every Democratic candidate possible on social media.
The other issue is that they are currently assholes. They are people who treat minor disagreements the same as major ones and create a chasm where none should exist. And they are also currently enveloped in a cult of personality behind a single individual. To them, his policies are less important than he is. They need Bernie. They'd rather have Trump fucking shit up than have Warren bring some of Bernie's policies to life.
Bad teammate is a prime example of this as he has smeared every other candidate while also throwing out "poor Bernie is always being attacked" a ton of times. Probably does the same on Twitter. Maybe even with a blue checked account with a couple hundred thousand followers. Those things don't count though. I mean Twitter only won the last election for Trump, and nobody in surly's Cloak Room is really influenced by political speech.

Exactly. He’s voluntarily running to take the Dem nomination while not a part of the party. He’s actually doing fine, it’s his supporters that make it miserable.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

7 minutes ago, troph said:

I guarantee you the quickest route for me to be called a tranny on the web by a progressive is to jump into the fray debating Bernie Bros.

This is absurd.

GSU&UT · February 2, 2020

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

This is absurd.

100% you have absolutely not spent any time with actual DSA members o if you seriously think they're transphobic. Basically most of the trans people I see on Twitter overwhelmingly support Bernie.

Js1 · February 2, 2020

Bloomberg’s team is awesome

troph · February 2, 2020

I'm sure this is all true. I don't think she was promoted because she's anti-Bernie.
In fact, I'm sure many of the people on the convention committee appointment list hate him.
If we really care about unity, then how can we have convention committees with people on them that ran LITERAL ATTACK ADS against any nominee and pretend that unity is a real concept?
Now, if you want to argue that attack ads are fine and unity isn't the real goal, cool. I appreciate ethical consistency. More blood for the blood gods? Cool. I respect a naked wolf more than one wearing sheep's clothes.
But let's look at the attack ad...
Here are the uh... important issues (?) this ad is about...
- People in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Iowa won't vote for a socialist
- He had a heart attack
- Bernie can't beat Trump
Please tell me which one of these things is an issue for an amazing and passionate progressive. Because frankly, it's fucking stupid as hell and embarrassing.
What is "moving the ball forward for the progressive cause" about this divisiveness?

Talking about basic rights for trans people in this conversation is pandering.

Look I hate PACs. I think citizens United is the worst decision of the Supreme Court in my life time. But the rules are the rules. I find all PAC ads disgusting.

And the unity thing is important post convention. And only because the goal is to win. Winning is the goal. So convince people. That’s it.

But the truth is Bernie IS a socialist. And while that’s not a curse word it does mean something and frankly the Democratic Party is not a socialist party.

He did have a heart attack and his age does concern me.

I don’t know if he can beat Trump - in this echo chamber we all hate trump but most are just exhausted by it. You won’t win the majority with anger.

Those are all valid concerns for progressives. They really are.

FondrenRoad · February 2, 2020

11 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

100% you have absolutely not spent any time with actual DSA members o if you seriously think they're transphobic. Basically most of the trans people I see on Twitter overwhelmingly support Bernie.

I agree and bad teammate did not even know that she was transgender. Troph is wrong on that. And while the argument devolved, I believe troph's original point is that bad teammate is smearing someone he knows nothing about and who actually shares a lot of policy positions with him. And all because bad teammate needs Bernie more than he needs Bernie's policies. Troph is 100% correct on that.

The convention committees don't really fucking matter either. They don't pick candidates. They are conference planners. The superdelegates are going to go with the winner of the elected delegates as well. That's nearly guaranteed. If it's Bernie, it's Bernie. There may be a difference between the elected delegate winner and the popular vote winner, but those are the breaks in our pseudo Democracy. Meanwhile, Meghan can work to get her favored candidate to win, and the appropriately named bad teammate can work to get his to win.

Also Bloomberg should be primarying Trump as the Republican that he is.

Edited February 2, 2020 by FondrenRoad

troph · February 2, 2020

21 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

This is absurd.

Bernies record is highly impressive and why I would support him without any reservation, but if you think rabid white cisgender Bernie bros wouldn’t result to insults if I went full on at them on Twitter I think you’re wrong. Bernie and purity above all else. That’s the highest value of his most ardent supporters.

And maybe I over stated - it’s possible - I’m open to that - but if I did I did so out of a fear that that’s exactly what would happen. Let that sink in for a minute.

Edited February 2, 2020 by troph

Enchubben · February 2, 2020

41 minutes ago, Js1 said:

JFC the Hill is such clickbait garbage

Thoughts and prayers to the future president. Could you imagine the cost of life insurance being the only person between her and the presidency?

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

18 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

100% you have absolutely not spent any time with actual DSA members o if you seriously think they're transphobic. Basically most of the trans people I see on Twitter overwhelmingly support Bernie.

It's flat-earth level horseshit to argue that the left is transphobic at all, much less MORE transphobic than the center and right.

10 minutes ago, troph said:

And the unity thing is important post convention. And only because the goal is to win. Winning is the goal. So convince people. That’s it.

So you're OK with the convention committees having people who have run attack ads and I'm not. That's the only difference here.

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But the truth is Bernie IS a socialist. And while that’s not a curse word it does mean something and frankly the Democratic Party is not a socialist party.

What the Democratic Party "is" is what the war is about. You can argue that it's not a socialist-friendly party right now, and that's fine, but as I say over and over, "This is the war."

If Bernie wins the nomination, the nature of the party will change. This is what we Bernie Bros are trying to do, remake the party itself.

The guy in the attack ad said a socialist can't win Michigan, Iowa, or Pennsylvania.

Bernie beat Hillary in Michigan. And Hillary lost it to Trump.
Bernie basically tied Hillary in Iowa. And Hillary lost it to Trump (by 10 points).
Hillary beat Bernie in Pennsylvania. And Hillary lost it to Trump.

Bernie would've won Michigan and Pennsylvania against Trump. No Dem is winning Iowa.

It's a stupid argument. (And it has nothing to do with progressive causes.)

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He did have a heart attack and his age does concern me.

Ageism is not progressive.

The opposite, in fact.

5 minutes ago, troph said:

... but if you think rabid white cisgender Bernie bros wouldn’t result to insults if I went full on at them on Twitter I think you’re wrong.

We absolutely would resort to insults. Shitlib. Neoliberal. Shill. Snake. We love insults. We are a mean and nasty lot.

But "tranny"? All that does is show how disconnected you are from the people you're talking about.

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And maybe I over stated - it’s possible - I’m open to that - but if I did I did so out of a fear that that’s exactly what would happen. Let that sink in for a minute.

Trans people can have irrational fears based on class biases and class blindness just like everyone else. This is what I love about equality; there are no pedestals.

7 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

... I believe troph's original point is that bad teammate is smearing someone he knows nothing about and who actually shares a lot of policy positions with him.

What "smear"? I just pointed out true things.

Did I attack the woman in some way? Did I say something dishonest?

Henry Hill · February 2, 2020

Message Board User · February 2, 2020

JimmyJames · February 2, 2020

52 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Bloomberg’s team is awesome

Those are pretty good. I wish Bloomberg was running in the Republican primary though.

GSU&UT · February 2, 2020

46 minutes ago, troph said:

but if you think rabid white cisgender Bernie bros wouldn’t result to insults if I went full on at them on Twitter I think you’re wrong. Bernie and purity above all else. That’s the highest value of his most ardent supporters.

Please do so and post the results. I'd love to shame any "Bros" that are transphobic as we don't need any of that shit in our movement. Otherwise you are wildly speculating and we're going to call bullshit.

Edited February 2, 2020 by GSU&UT

FondrenRoad · February 2, 2020

35 minutes ago, troph said:

Bernies record is highly impressive and why I would support him without any reservation, but if you think rabid white cisgender Bernie bros wouldn’t result to insults if I went full on at them on Twitter I think you’re wrong. Bernie and purity above all else. That’s the highest value of his most ardent supporters.

And maybe I over stated - it’s possible - I’m open to that - but if I did I did so out of a fear that that’s exactly what would happen. Let that sink in for a minute.

There are far too many trolls in the world and it's easier than ever for anyone to have a voice. I'm sure there are a few DSA members and Bernie Bros that are transphobic. I have no doubt that you've heard slurs from people that are otherwise quite liberal. No group consists of entirely pure members, but that doesn't mean that it's even close to the norm. However, that 1 in a million bad seed can tweet or talk shit just like anyone else, and when we see that one tweet or hear that one statement that hits us personally, we tend to overvalue it and apply it to others as well.

Trump voters manipulate the fuck out of this as well, but they are expert trolls. How many times have we seen someone say here that a single post from some surly liberal is "making" them vote for Trump? It happens all the time. Combine that with their ability to minimize rampant racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia among their ranks, and we get where we are.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

The same liberals who will put rainbow flag imagery on their corporate logos will sell the LGBT community to the wolves the NANOSECOND it becomes politically expedient.

washparkhorn · February 2, 2020

1 hour ago, troph said:

But the truth is Bernie IS a socialist. And while that’s not a curse word it does mean something and frankly the Democratic Party is not a socialist party.

I guess FDR is now a SOCIALIST in his Democratic Party as it moves from Center to Center Right to Just Right Wing.

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FDR understood the American story as that of a long struggle characterized by old fights on new grounds. “In our own land we enjoy indeed a fullness of life greater than that of most nations,” he said. “But the rush of modern civilization itself has raised for us new difficulties, new problems which must be solved if we are to preserve to the United States the political and economic freedom for which Washington and Jefferson planned and fought.”

The way to “reaffirm the faith of our fathers” Roosevelt argued, as he sought and won his greatest electoral victory in 1936, was “to restore to the people a wider freedom.”

. . .

The whole point of the New Deal was to challenge the economic royalists on behalf of the great mass of Americans, and to establish that wider freedom.

“The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody’s business. They granted that the government could protect the citizen in his right to vote, but they denied that the government could do anything to protect the citizen in his right to work and his right to live,” Roosevelt said.

“Today we stand committed to the proposition that freedom is no half-and-half affair. If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place. These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike.”

Roosevelt was re-elected that year, as he would be again in 1940 and 1944. He led the nation as it struggled to overcome a Great Depression at home and fascism abroad. But he never lost sight of the great struggle to overcome economic tyranny.

To that end, he proposed a “Second Bill of Rights” that was, in its themes and purposes, as bold as the first. It was this “Second Bill of Rights,” an economic bill of rights, that he promised to pursue in the fourth term that was cut short by his death.

“It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure,” Roosevelt told the Congress and the nation in the 1944 State of the Union address that framed the final year of his presidency.

“This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty,” said FDR. . . .

. . . FDR:

"We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

—The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

—The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

—The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

—The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

—The right of every family to a decent home;

—The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

—The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

—The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world."

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/seventy-years-let-us-renew-fdrs-struggle-economic-bill-rights/

Corporate Democratic Party - FDR was a Socialist!

The Socialist slur is overused by DEMOCRATS.

If you don't like your socialism, stop driving on public roads - now.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

The idea that the Democratic Party just naturally is Third Way/Clintonite is historically ignorant to put it kindly.

The corporate whores won the power battle for the Democratic party in the late 80s/early 90s. The war never stopped.

The only thing that changes is whether or not you're aware of which side you're on.

washparkhorn · February 2, 2020

Senator Bernard Sanders is pursuing FDR's second Bill of Rights for Americans:

Sanders Details Economic Agenda for America

Tuesday, December 2, 2014

WASHINGTON, Dec. 2 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today outlined a progressive economic agenda to reverse a 40-year decline of the American middle class and the growing gap between the very rich and everyone else in the United States.

In a Senate floor speech, Sanders detailed measures to create millions of new jobs, raise wages, protect the environment and provide health care for all. He said the most significant question facing the American people is: “Are we prepared to take on the enormous economic and political power of the billionaire class or do we continue to slide into economic and political oligarchy?”

The collapse of the middle class, accelerated by the Wall Street crash of 2008, has left the United States with more wealth and income inequality than any major country and the highest rate of childhood poverty. “Today, millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages,” he said. In inflation-adjusted dollars, the median male worker earned $783 less last year than he made 41 years ago. The median female worker made $1,337 less last year than she earned in 2007. Since 1999, household income for the median middle-class family is less than it was a quarter century ago.

“We once led the world in terms of the percentage of our people who graduated college, but we are now in 12th place. Our infrastructure, once the envy of the world, is collapsing. Real unemployment today is not 5.8 percent, it is 11.5 percent if we include those who have given up looking for work or who are working part time when they want to work full time. Youth unemployment is 18.6 percent and African-American youth unemployment is 32.6 percent,” Sanders said.

Sanders detailed a 12-point economic program to:

* Invest in our crumbling infrastructure with a major program to create jobs by rebuilding roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools.

* Transform energy systems away from fossil fuels to create jobs while beginning to reverse global warming and make the planet habitable for future generations.

* Develop new economic models to support workers in the United States instead of giving tax breaks to corporations which ship jobs to low-wage countries overseas.

* Make it easier for workers to join unions and bargain for higher wages and benefits.

* Raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour so no one who works 40 hours a week will live in poverty.

* Provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make.

* Reform trade policies that have shuttered more than 60,000 factories and cost more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs.

* Make college affordable and provide affordable child care to restore America’s competitive edge compared to other nations.

* Break up big banks. The six largest banks now have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product, over $9.8 trillion. They underwrite more than half the mortgages in the country and issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards.

* Join the rest of the industrialized world with a Medicare-for-all health care system that provides better care at less cost.

* Expand Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs.

* Reform the tax code based on wage earners’ ability to pay and eliminate loopholes that let profitable corporations stash profits overseas and pay no U.S. federal income taxes.

Us, not ME.

Message Board User · February 2, 2020

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

Jeb! jokes aside, if this leak is real then things are fairly flat after Bernie's recent bounce.

JimmyJames · February 2, 2020

Probably after downing a couple cocktails, grocery store trust fund recipient Johnny Sack posted in the Bernie thread last night that he can’t wait to watch all us surly commies lose the next election.

Much like when that crazy aggy Branding Iron would post during the middle of aggy games, this is a very good sign for Bernie’s chances to actually win the next election. I’m starting to think it might happen.

Js1 · February 2, 2020

11 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Dunno why you show Obama 2012. He wasn’t primaried.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

Hell yes

FOR THE BOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

washparkhorn · February 2, 2020

25 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Johnny Sack posted in the Bernie thread last night that he can’t wait to watch all us surly commies lose the next election.

Johnny must be betting nervous.

Johnny - how soon is now . . .

https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1223451232926412800

Edited February 2, 2020 by washparkhorn

JimmyJames · February 2, 2020

9 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Johnny must be betting nervous.

Johnny - how soon is now . . .

https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1223451232926412800

If Bernie wins one of the first bills introduced in Congress should be that the Sack is forced to hand over 80 percent of his fortune to blacklab and also has to use the rest to purchase the shag back on his behalf from Eskimo hut man and hand it right over.

bad_teammate · February 2, 2020

Ladies and gentlemen, a second loser has hit the primaries.

washparkhorn · February 2, 2020

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Ladies and gentlemen, a second loser has hit the primaries.

Don't dare criticize O'Malley though - too much pearl clutching would ensue . . .

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