2020 Democratic Nominee

[GSU&UT 1798]

Just now, Dbeasy said:

 

Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

Cool, now let's look at real wage increases that have barely kept up with inflation vs. CEO pay, the cost of healthcare rising (BEFORE the ACA was implemented), the cost of tuition, the complete dismantling of unions under Reagan and others, the federal minimum wage being worth damn near nothing, etc etc. Almost like the country isn't the same as it once was.

[ndawg 1242]

American “principles” are hollow catchphrases. Their primary use is to sustain the delusion of virtue and moral superiority among the financially successful. It’s a less insane expression of the prosperity gospel message.

Edited February 17, 2020 by ndawg

[Skipper 6103]

38 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. 

 

Personal responsibility is so mainstream bro. 

[David Dennison 18655]

44 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

Government handouts to corporations and the rich notwithstanding.

Edited February 17, 2020 by David Dennison

[washparkhorn 9935]

John Oliver's take on Medicare for All - 

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

55 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

You’re referring to private prisons right? Or maybe weapons systems? I too oppose giving massive free money to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior. 

[workswithseed 2035]

4 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I like yogurt. I like milk on my cereal. It's good for my bowels.

On? Don't you mean in?

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

10 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

On? Don't you mean in?

Milk in my bowels is not good.

[washparkhorn 9935]

3 hours ago, Skipper said:

Of course that's their strategy.  Bernie is a layup for Trump.

Wishful thinking. What is he going to hit Bernie with? The Soviet trip? Please do. Reagan was in the Soviet Union at the very same time saying the same things as we coaxed the Soviets to trust the United States. Establishing sister cities was part of the American strategy to convince the Soviet Union to suicide itself quietly. It worked. Even some Trumpers are smart enough to see the logic and value in the strategy. And are Trumpers really going to attack Reagan? Delusional.

Here is Reagan inviting literal Commie Propagandists into the White House in 1988 (the year he and Sanders visited the Soviet Union to build trust between the people of the Soviet Union and Americans. 

Trump's national nightmare is coming to an end.

 

[bad_teammate 13132]

2 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

John Oliver's take on Medicare for All - 

 

What's awesome about this is that when he's playing clips from FOX and CNBC and that kind of right-wing garbage their rhetoric is 100% INDISTINGUISHABLE from Pete Buttigieg.

Go to 13:00 into the video and listen.

~*~ bUt My ChOiCeS ~*~

[Biff Tannen 45492]

4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Wishful thinking. What is he going to hit Bernie with?

All he's going to do is yell SOCIALIST!! over and over and it may very well work.  These people aren't smart.  And Bernie is the only one to have actually self-identified as partially socialist.  This is our concern Dude.

[Zonahorn 8079]

INJECT THIS INTO MY VEINS

Also, why the fuck is Tulsi still here?

 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

5 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Also, why the fuck is Tulsi still here?

[Zonahorn 8079]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

Gonna sow discord into the Democratic Party at 3%!

[Texas Jeff 1932]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

All he's going to do is yell SOCIALIST!! over and over and it may very well work.

This is the plan.  A few years ago the R's rebranded the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party.  They mostly got away with that, as it's now OK for R's to use that term.   The new plan is for the R's to rebrand them as the Socialist Democrat Party and say that over and over until it's OK to just say that all the time.

The D's are going to have to defend NOT being the Socialist Democrat Party even though they never called themselves that.  Some folks will vote R just based on hearing the Socialist Democrat moniker over and over.  It will sink in.

[Tuco 5076]

3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Or, maybe they still believe in the fundamental American principle of fairness, where the objective is to balance individual responsibility for decisions and actions with the responsibility of government to ensure a fair opportunity. This is probably the single
most important principle in this country and some of you forget that.

And maybe they don’t believe in promising massive free money just to buy votes and/or encourage moral hazard behavior.

 

That's why old people are pushing to end social security. 

[washparkhorn 9935]

8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

All he's going to do is yell SOCIALIST!! over and over and it may very well work.  These people aren't smart.  And Bernie is the only one to have actually self-identified as partially socialist.  This is our concern Dude.

Wall Street received the largest socialist bailout in our nation's history. We socialize the negative externalities of most industries, including oil and gas. Socialism in the US is an essential part of our mixed market economy and has been since the foundation of this nation. Socialism is not communism. 

Sanders wants our representative democracy to provide a fairer distribution of social goods and opportunities among all people in the United States, not just the wealthy and corporations - akin to what we see in wealthy European nations. His foundation is always democracy.

How difficult is it to run on principles of democracy? Seriously.

[tantric superman 4667]

Listened to the John Stewart thingy at lunch.

My decision tree is basically thus for the President:

1) Who is the most likely to address climate change?

2) Who is the most likely to address health care/costs for those who can't afford it?

That's still everybody on the Dem side.

[Biff Tannen 45492]

4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Wall Street received the largest socialist bailout in our nation's history. We socialize the negative externalities of most industries, including oil and gas. Socialism in the US is an essential part of our mixed market economy and has been since the foundation of this nation. Socialism is not communism. 

Everything you just said here comes out as the Charlie Brown teacher voice to more than half of this country.

[washparkhorn 9935]

17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Everything you just said here comes out as the Charlie Brown teacher voice to more than half of this country.

I understand your point, but this board has well-educated participants. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45492]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

I understand your point, but this board has well-educated participants. 

 

For sure, and if only this board were voting, I'd have no qualms.  As it is, our country are by and large the common clay of the new west.

[washparkhorn 9935]

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

I understand your point, but this board has well-educated participants. 

 

But I am not immune from what may be the reality:

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

Get fucked

 

[SaucyJack 3487]

20 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I understand your point, but this board has well-educated participants. 

 

[David Dennison 18655]

Just saw that Nate Silver has "no majority" has the best odds in the Democratic primary.

So there's that.

[Js1 85104]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just saw that Nate Silver has "no majority" has the best odds in the Democratic primary.

So there's that.

NO MAJORITY 2020! 

[Zonahorn 8079]

Just now, Js1 said:

NO MAJORITY 2020! 

[Aqua Buddha 14504]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just saw that Nate Silver has "no majority" has the best odds in the Democratic primary.

So there's that.

The Bern people will demand he get the nomination with only 25% of the total vote.

[GSU&UT 1798]

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Bern people will demand he get the nomination with only 25% of the total vote.

Lol, why isn't one person out of 9 winning by 90%? We're fuuuucked!!!

[Zonahorn 8079]

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Bern people will demand he get the nomination with only 25% of the total vote.

I look forward to people like you killing the party.

[Zonahorn 8079]

And before you comment, if you can't understand how shady, backroom bullshit like going with a person that didn't win the majority of delegates would destroy the party, I can't help you.

[bad_teammate 13132]

11 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Bern people will demand he get the nomination with only 25% of the total vote.

I will demand that whoever got the most delegates out of the field become the nominee and I will vote for no one else.

I like democracy. I think the expressed will of the people is supreme.

Edited February 17, 2020 by bad_teammate

[Js1 85104]

12 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

The Democrats’ nominee unveiled:

[bad_teammate 13132]

I really hope Bernie wins the nomination. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited once we inject you guys with the virus and you guys become Bernie Bros because it's fucking awesome to look at the world and have a seed of hope blossoming in your soul that we can work together to build a beautiful future.

[washparkhorn 9935]

Looks like it is shaping up to be (Biden v. Bloomberg) v. Sanders on Super Tuesday 

 

[Chuckie Finster 22599]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I really hope Bernie wins the nomination. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited once we inject you guys with the virus and you guys become Bernie Bros because it's fucking awesome to look at the world and have a seed of hope blossoming in your soul that we can work together to build a beautiful future.

[Zonahorn 8079]

Most accurate poll ever IYAM

 

[Aqua Buddha 14504]

Klobs, Pete, and Warren will be done.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Aqua Buddha

[washparkhorn 9935]

5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Klobs, Pete, and Warren will be done.

I think Pete and Amy may be potential Bloomberg VP trial balloons to curry favor with their supporters.  Just a guess.

 

[babysdaddy 2718]

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Klobs, Pete, and Warren will be done.

I'm sure this has been discussed but I missed it.  What happens to the delegates pledged to nominees that drop out?  Does the nominee get to 'pledge' those delegates to a still viable candidate?  Or does it all happen at the Convention?  

[washparkhorn 9935]

9 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

I'm sure this has been discussed but I missed it.  What happens to the delegates pledged to nominees that drop out?  Does the nominee get to 'pledge' those delegates to a still viable candidate?  Or does it all happen at the Convention?  

Pledged delegates must vote for the candidate they were chosen to represent in the first round at the convention - regardless of whether the candidate has backed out. 

EDIT - I AM WRONG. 11 states allow a withdrawn candidate to release his or her delegates.  See - https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

45 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I really hope Bernie wins the nomination. If that happens, I'm going to be so excited once we inject you guys with the virus and you guys become Bernie Bros because it's fucking awesome to look at the world and have a seed of hope blossoming in your soul that we can work together to build a beautiful future.

🧐

Edited February 17, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins
Nvm

[washparkhorn 9935]

12 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

🧐

Sanders' sisters are more powerful than any brother, in my experience. Some of them welcome the "bro" moniker as an easy way to tell someone they are mistaken about the makeup of Sanders' supporters. They are fierce, smart and more effective as a whole - and not afraid to take on all comers. See below:

Beth reminds me of my 14 year old daughter and her fierce admiration for the movement. It didn't come from me. She and her friends are all proud Bernie supporters. 

Edited February 17, 2020 by washparkhorn

[bad_teammate 13132]

One of the powerful things about becoming a supporter of Bernie is that it makes you white and male. It's like magic.

And we are unified, bearded, and 21-32 years old.

[Aqua Buddha 14504]

I like how Bern's supporters being insufferable twats is now being used against him.

[washparkhorn 9935]

8 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I like how Bern's supporters being insufferable twats is now being used against him.

This is not news. This is "the strategy" against Bernie. I told you about it a few weeks ago. 

[Aqua Buddha 14504]

Maybe if they spent more time trying to win voters instead of being harassing online twats, he'd have a bigger lead at this point.

[Zonahorn 8079]

Holy shit, Biden is negative. Is his support gonna collapse again?

 

[Dbeasy 14966]

Government handouts to corporations and the rich notwithstanding.

All of this can be and is true but doesn’t justify a bad policy.

[Dbeasy 14966]

Cool, now let's look at real wage increases that have barely kept up with inflation vs. CEO pay, the cost of healthcare rising (BEFORE the ACA was implemented), the cost of tuition, the complete dismantling of unions under Reagan and others, the federal minimum wage being worth damn near nothing, etc etc. Almost like the country isn't the same as it once was.

All of this can be and is true but doesn’t justify a bad policy.