Jump to content

2020 Democratic Nominee

used2b

By used2b
in Cloak Room

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 23.3k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • bad_teammate

    3638

  • Hugo Stiglitz

    2212

  • Hank Kingsley

    1252

  • Js1

    1230

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Huckleberry
Huckleberry

No it doesn't, this is absurd selfishness on a grand scale. Nobody is getting punished. My wife and I paid off our student loans, and you know what I think about younger people or even those in our ge

henrygandorf
henrygandorf

i’ve really enjoyed the 900 posts from bt explaining how bernie people aren’t aggressive, obsessive, and very-online.  truly a learning experience. 

Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton

3rd or 4th thread but whos counting.  Name recognition and ability to collect money is most important to the Democratic Party. They aren't trying to win 2020, they are trying to rebuild and colle

Posted Images

TXSG8R

TXSG8R 3362

Posted
Posted
14 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

http://www.efesonline.org/Annual Economic Survey/2017/Survey 2017.pdf

Dig through the numbers there, I found that roughly the average public company in Germany has employees owning around 13%-14%.

Graph 16 on page 49 doesnt say that.  Germany (DE) is well under the 3.2% avg for Europe.  Graph 17 shows the employee ownership minus executives is closer to 1%.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ChiTownDoc

ChiTownDoc 21345

Posted
Posted
37 minutes ago, Skipper said:

It's beyond ridiculous.  And would never pass, not to mention illegal. Bernie is a disaster.  It's becoming obvious nobody on that stage will beat Trump because the Democratic party isn't even remotely unified with Bernie's socialist branch hijacking 30% and splits among the pragmatic candidates with nobody appearing to back down anytime soon.  I'll be in Vegas for business next week - can I bet on the election?  Because if it's still Trump -200 or so I will load up. 

Yep.  It’s all but over.  Only hope is economy tanks.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
GSU&UT

GSU&UT 1799

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Graph 16 on page 49 doesnt say that.  Germany (DE) is well under the 3.2% avg for Europe.  Graph 17 shows the employee ownership minus executives is closer to 1%.

http://www.efesonline.org/Annual Economic Survey/Presentation.htm

I misread this number then,

Quote

Germany gives the picture of the dramatic impact of such policies on the democratization rate of employee share ownership, with less than 13%.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
GSU&UT

GSU&UT 1799

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep.  It’s all but over.  Only hope is economy tanks.  

From an leftist fairly well-off millennial Bernie Bro, none of us honestly think Bernie is going to get things like this passed or even, unfortunately, his single-payer universal healthcare legislation. This is all about resetting what the supposed Democratic party should represent and force it to look more like what the rest of the developed world's "left" parties look like. I posted this in the Bernie thread, but it's what Boots Riley gets at here,

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TwiceHorn

TwiceHorn 32079

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, GSU&UT said:

And yet this requirement is required for large companies in many European countries and somehow they keep on truckin' lol.

Board representation of some form is required.  Share ownership is not.  Share ownership might be a means to board representation, but it is highly indirect and a probably ineffective way of achieving it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BrickHorn

BrickHorn 18447

Posted
Posted
33 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep.  It’s all but over.  Only hope is economy tanks.  

Fuck this defeatist shit.  We’ll nominate a candidate.  And that candidate will be miles better than Donald Trump.  And each and every one of us who despises Trump will vote for that candidate, because it’s the right thing to do (even if it’s not the ideal choice).

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Voldemort86

Voldemort86 2259

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Let's look at the state of the race right now: 

Bernie - Good showings in Iowa and NH, but expected stronger showings in more diverse states. Has a rock solid 20-35% of the vote (depending on the state) from loyal voters that will not switch to another candidate. 

Pete - Pretty much has zero chance to accumulate enough votes/delegates with Biden, Bloomberg, and Klobuchar still in the race as Super Tuesday nears. 

Warren - Has the talent and organization to make a comeback, but doubtful she'll peel away any Bernie voters. She'll need to gobble up a lot of moderate voters which will be tough with so little time before Super Tuesday. 

Biden - I think he's done. The South Carolina firewall that he hoped for will not happen. He might win the state, but it will be much closer than originally expected. 

Bloomberg - Horrific candidate but people are dumb and he will continue to money whip. Still a wild card. 

Klobuchar - No chance. Bye, Amy. 

 

Bernie wins simply because there are too many candidates. If this was Bernie vs. Pete, Bernie vs. Liz, Bernie vs. Biden, then it would be a real battle. 

The only way this can become interesting is if 2 or more candidates out of Biden, Bloomberg, Pete, and Klobuchar drop out after NV or SC. 

 

What if several drop out after Super Tuesday?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
gsoda3

gsoda3 3362

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, GSU&UT said:

The only thing I've seen is that this is stipulated by the following by Bernie's plan,

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-employee-ownership-plan-policies-democratic-presidential-primary-1465085

 

  

You aren't even voting for Warren, just so everyone knows where you stand.

this idea's a non-starter even if he gets into office.  where would he get the votes to pass this?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Biff Tannen

Biff Tannen 46168

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Fuck this defeatist shit.  We’ll nominate a candidate.  And that candidate will be miles better than Donald Trump.  And each and every one of us who despises Trump will vote for that candidate, because it’s the right thing to do (even if it’s not the ideal choice).

Well look who came up from the lanai!

Link to comment
Share on other sites
David Dennison

David Dennison 19542

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Fuck this defeatist shit.  We’ll nominate a candidate.  And that candidate will be miles better than Donald Trump.  And each and every one of us who despises Trump will vote for that candidate, because it’s the right thing to do (even if it’s not the ideal choice).

This. No one has any idea what will happen once the contest is one on one. Any of these candidates can beat a politician as historically unpopular as Donald Trump. His approval ratings should be in the mid 60s. The fact that he's stuck at 43% means he's extremely beatable even with this middling economy.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
gsoda3

gsoda3 3362

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:
5 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:
this idea's a non-starter even if he gets into office.  where would he get the votes to pass this?

You realize the workers outnumber the bosses dramatically, right?

they the ones voting in congress?

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Voldemort86

Voldemort86 2259

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

This. No one has any idea what will happen once the contest is one on one. Any of these candidates can beat a politician as historically unpopular as Donald Trump. His approval ratings should be in the mid 60s. The fact that he's stuck at 43% means he's extremely beatable even with this middling economy.

Hold on......

a man who has declared bankruptcy 4-5 times, has grabbed over 40 different women randomly by the pussy, and acts like a big orange baby “should” have an approval rating in the mid 60’s?
 

he could make me a millionaire over night ( he won’t) and I’d still never approve of that man. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
gmr548

gmr548 16701

Posted
Posted



First of all,
 
I respect that we’re all democrats, but don’t you guys worry that by nominating Bernie as the democrats challenger for the presidency that we are putting the house majority at risk?


No. Full stop. The Democratic house majority is enormous given the circumstances, the Republicans are panicking because they are getting epicly crushed in fundraising, and Ds have a healthy generic ballot lead. Republican retirements vastly outnumber Democratic retirements. The GOP would pretty much have to win back some seats in CA - even typing that is kind of lolzy. And incumbent Presidents actually haven't provided much of a boost to house races. Even a 16 seat gain matching the GOP gain from Reagan's absolute landslide in 84 wouldn't flip the house. There's very little historical precedent for the Democrats losing the house in this situation. The Republicans know that and are behaving accordingly.

If, for arguments sake, we accept that Sanders is a liability and likely to cost the party votes vs Trump, I assume you would think those votes are educated suburban whites. Those same people laid waste to the GOP house in 2018 and do not approve of Trump. They've already made it clear that they have decided against full GOP control under Trump. If they did the "hold their nose and vote for Trump bit," I think you'd see a lot of ballot splitting in house races.

In short, no. I'm sure the Rs will net a gain because of the sheer amount of defense the Ds will be playing. But a Democratic house is the one fairly sure bet in 2020.
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
gmr548

gmr548 16701

Posted
Posted

Bad data point doubt, but it's just one poll that's a relative outlier to other polling in the state. We'll see if that's a trend.

 

WI was lost in 2016 because Ds stayed home. Trump basically tracked Romney, Clinton just grossly underperformed Obama. The votes are there if Democrats put in the work - look at 2018.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hank Kingsley

Hank Kingsley 21785

Posted
Posted

Trump's numbers in the head to head WI matchups are all around 49-51% no matter the candidate. The D candidate's numbers are lower because there are lots of options and uncertainty on who the nominee will actually be. Whoever is the eventual nominee will have a much higher percentage than what that Q poll shows. 

Wisconsin is a battleground state and definitely in play for the D nominee. 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha 14806

Posted
Posted
24 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Their suburbs aren't turning blue like the rest of the country. We need Arizona or North Carolina.

That's the concern and we need a candidate that can put other states in play.  The hope and prayer with Bern is turnout among people who have never or rarely voted and that's a risky proposition.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Zonahorn

Zonahorn 8079

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That's the concern and we need a candidate that can put other states in play.  The hope and prayer with Bern is turnout among people who have never or rarely voted and that's a risky proposition.

Its better than hoping we get 2008 levels of voter turnout from AA voters in the Midwest.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Voldemort86

Voldemort86 2259

Posted
Posted
42 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

New Quinnipac state polls: Wisconsin loves Trump. I'm not sure what happened to the Democratic party in that state.

 

There might still be hope here.  There’s a certain poll that people who live in Wisconsin swear by I think it’s Marist or Marquette. I’m not sure but it starts with an M.

 

that poll usually tells what is really going on in that state.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha 14806

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Voldemort86 said:

Democrats usually poll well in Florida, but never win it. 
 

the GOP in Florida must have some sick GOTV operation or they’re really good at scaring Repubs into voting every 2 years.

Their GOTV is basically old retired white people who always vote.  There is no way in hell Bern is even competitive in FL.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Dbeasy

Dbeasy 15596

Posted
Posted
It's beyond ridiculous.  And would never pass, not to mention illegal. Bernie is a disaster.  It's becoming obvious nobody on that stage will beat Trump because the Democratic party isn't even remotely unified with Bernie's socialist branch hijacking 30% and splits among the pragmatic candidates with nobody appearing to back down anytime soon.  I'll be in Vegas for business next week - can I bet on the election?  Because if it's still Trump -200 or so I will load up. 


I understand the views that the Bernie 20% plan is ridiculous. In many ways it is. However, I would like to share one personal experience that has stuck with me over the years.

My company was acquired by a much larger company. My employees all had stock options. The higher their responsibility the more options they got. After the acquisition, the executive committee of the company, comprised of the ceo and a few other senior execs, mandated that I wipe out stock options for everyone but me and two other top execs. Further, the stock option compensation of the executive committee members was absolutely obscene. They basically stripped compensation from all of my employees and lined their own pockets. This pattern repeats over and over across the country thru m&a processes every day.

You could argue that employees can and should leave and go find other jobs. A lot of us did. But it is clear that there is a systemic approach being taken by huge swaths of companies and executives to exploit their employees. I’ve never been a huge fan of unions because they got too powerful and misguided, but clearly the balance between management and worker is tilting too far towards management.

Also, so many successful companies are private now, like Discount Tires, that even if workers wanted to invest their hard earned dollars into successful companies, they can’t. Is Bernie’s plan as described the right fix? Probably not, but there definitely is a problem.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
 Share
Go to topic listing


Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business and Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Subscribe!... Donate!... Advertise... COOKIE MONSTER!

×
×
  • Create New...