2020 Democratic Nominee

[Doc Sam Beckett 5792]

2 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Someone pls tell me this is sarcasm

 

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Nope.  Just pure, uncut Bernie Bro-ism.  Go ahead, take a hit...the first one's free, man.

Lulz. It's obvious that he's working on the assumption that Bernie will lock up the states he's leading and enter the convention with the most votes/delegates. The blind hatred of Bernie Bros is almost as insane as the Bernie Bros themselves 

[Skipper 6128]

2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Bernie V. Trump is Russia's wet dream.   Of course they are.

[henrygandorf 29189]

2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

off topic, but what searchwords did you use to find skeptical cup kid?

i needed him the other day but just couldn't crack the code.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

off topic, but what searchwords did you use to find skeptical cup kid?

i needed him the other day but just couldn't crack the code.

Amazingly, "soda kid gif" did it for me.  The internet is magical.

[Zonahorn 8079]

PLEASE BE ACCURATE

 

[burntorangebongos 10710]

So Russia wants the weakest candidate so they can put their thumb on the scale in favor of Trump again and get him a win or, they want to scare everybody away from Bernie on just this reporting? Fucking Russians need to eat shit and die alreafy.

[Biff Tannen 45665]

Just now, burntorangebongos said:

So Russia wants the weakest candidate so they can put their thumb on the scale in favor of Trump again and get him a win or, they want to scare everybody away from Bernie on just this reporting? Fucking Russians need to eat shit and die alreafy.

They want to sow division and make us lose trust in the system.  I feel we may have already lost this war.

[GW Hayduke 1953]

2 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

So Russia wants the weakest candidate so they can put their thumb on the scale in favor of Trump again and get him a win or, they want to scare everybody away from Bernie on just this reporting? Fucking Russians need to eat shit and die alreafy.

Both Bernie and Trump are isolationists and represent the global retreat of the US from diplomatic, economic and military perspectives. 

[Foosters 17839]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

You seem to think that I'm suggesting that Bloomberg is a winner.  I'm not - I think he gets beaten, too.  My original point -- that Trump is going to get 8 years -- is based on the fact that the Dems need to put up a strong, unifying candidate to win.....and I don't see (and didn't see before) any such candidates with a realistic shot.  But Bernie...he's special -- his mere presence in the race guarantees the ultimate outcome, because of 1) the size of his voter bloc, 2) his negatives with center-left voters, and 3) what his voter bloc will do if he's not crowned king.  Either way, the Dems are going to lose 2-3% that they need to get to win.

Is a unifying candidate even possible? Half the party is old school democrats who want some slight changes to the current system. The other half views that group as GOP-lite. Where's the common ground?  Of course, that's another reason why the two party system is so fucking stupid, but that's a whole 'nother conversation.

[Brisketexan 105066]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

They want to sow division and make us lose trust in the system.  I feel we may have already lost this war.

 

2 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Both Bernie and Trump are isolationists and represent the global retreat of the US from diplomatic, economic and military perspectives. 

We have co-winners here.

[Brisketexan 105066]

Just now, Foosters said:

Is a unifying candidate even possible? Half the party is old school democrats who want some slight changes to the current system. The other half views that group as GOP-lite. Where's the common ground?  Of course, that's another reason why the two party system is so fucking stupid, but that's a whole 'nother conversation.

Now you understand my ownership of the ledge via adverse possession.

[MidTexHorn 822]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, I don't recall seeing ANY Bloomberg excitement around here.

But I'll tell you a Bloomberg supporter who has surprised me -- my 76 yr old mom.  She HATES Trump.  I mean, pure, visceral loathing.  And just in the past couple of weeks, has gotten all Bloomberg-y.  I haven't had time to visit with her about it, but I'm betting pretty strongly that it's the "electability" perception -- she thinks Bloomberg can beat Trump, and that's the most important thing.  I get the priority, I just don't think that Bloomberg is that guy.  The "safe, utterly uninspiring, generic old white guy who can probably beat Trump" choice remains Biden.  Biden has a lotta weaknesses, but I think he holds up a shitload better than Bloomberg.

Yeah, this is my wife. Normally completely apolitical, but hates, despises, loathes, etc. everything about Trump. She is all in to beat him, but really knows almost nothing about his policies or about the policies of any of the Dems except in the most general sense. She's really enjoyed the Bloomberg ads and may end up voting for him. I'm trying to talk her out of it.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

Hell yes, let’s get the Russia takes going again. Here’s a 15,000 word post on the effects that kompromat has had in the family court that took away my visitation rights for my kids just because I accused the judge of being a Russian asset (which is VERY DIFFERENT than calling someone a Russian agent) and tried to grab the bailiff’s gun. 

[Biff Tannen 45665]

1 minute ago, MidTexHorn said:

Yeah, this is my wife. Normally completely apolitical, but hates, despises, loathes, etc. everything about Trump. She is all in to beat him, but really knows almost nothing about his policies or about the policies of any of the Dems except in the most general sense. She's really enjoyed the Bloomberg ads and may end up voting for him. I'm trying to talk her out of it.

Sweet fancy moses.

[washparkhorn 9939]

We all have our blindspots. I work in two blue states with muted Trump support - which is far different than those of you living as a blueberry in a raspberry soup. 

Just a hunch (which may be totally wrong) - but this may be the blindspot for moderates in Texas - a state where the fracking economy has temporarily shielded moderates from the real economy: 

 

Household debt is again at record highs - surpassing the 2008 levels by $1.5 trillion.

The CMD’s latest Quarterly Report on Household Debt and Credit reveals that total household debt increased by $193 billion, or 1.4 percent, to reach $14.15 trillion in the fourth quarter of 2019. This marks the twenty-second consecutive quarterly increase, with total household debt now $1.5 trillion higher, in nominal terms, than the pre-recession peak of $12.68 trillion, set in the third quarter of 2008. 

 

https://www.newyorkfed.org/microeconomics/hhdc.html

 

There is genuine economic fear our there - outside of the oil patch. And you know what happens when the non-oil economy falters - down goes oil and the workers in the fossil fuel industry.  I think we are already seeing those pains work their way through the system. If China's industry crashes, the demand for oil will sink quickly.

 

I remember what it was like to live in Texas when oil and gas + banking sectors were ailing, while the nation was feeling no pain. Texas was on an island and no one cared. Frankly, with Sanders' support in Texas, I think economic worries have become pressing - even if it doesn't hit centrists' bank accounts just yet. 

 

But again - you blueberries in Texas know what it is like to live under Trump in a red state and I don't. And you may be far more connected to the damage done by Trump to vulnerable communities in Texas. 

 

I don't believe giving up is the answer - when so many with less powerful voices need your solidarity. 

Us, not me. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Anastasis 23463]

Here we fucking go.  Brace yourself fellas, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

 

 

[Brisketexan 105066]

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

 

I don't believe giving up is the answer - when so many with less powerful voices need your solidarity. 

I agree.

Which is why I think that it makes sense for our #1 priority to be defeating the forces of Trump and Trumpism, which are and will continue to exacerbate the suffering of the least among us.  Take out the existential threat.  That's why I've said I'll vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, because see my #1 priority.  But see my point that Bernie's a huge problem because of two groups that don't share my #1 priority: hardcore Bernie Bros, and weakly center-left Dems.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Refuse to leave what, the White House?

There is a complex set of processes that confirm the next POTUS, so unless those are interfered with then it doesn't really matter if Trump chains himself to the Resolute Desk.

The idea that a majority of the US Senate would just say, "OK DONALD COOL!" is laughable. They couldn't even get 100% loyalty on the impeachment acquittal. (To whatever extent the Senate would even matter here.)

Can he actually stop the states from state elections and choosing federal electors? He sends out the military to stop California and Illinois and New York from voting? Does he jail all the state Secretaries of State?

Do you think the military would actually do that?

It's kind of funny how dumb you guys think I am for thinking a president could buy enough influence to pass a Constitutional amendment and you guys argue that we're a hair away from literal martial law and the US Army rolling tanks down main street for Trump's honor.

Liz hasn't accomplished much of anything. She was never even part of the CFPB.

Trump is completely in charge of the military as the commander in Chief, and the entire federal law enforcement apparatus as the chief executive. The only constraint on him in those matters is his lower chain of command refusing to obey his orders, as well as the will of the people reflected through congress and the courts who simply rely on the executive branch to enforce their rulings. No other president has ever tested that because no other president has been a complete narcissistic piece of shit. 

[MidTexHorn 822]

5 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

We all have our blindspots. I work in two blue states with muted Trump support - which is far different than those of you living as a blueberry in a raspberry soup. 

Just a hunch (which may be totally wrong) - but this may be the blindspot for moderates in Texas - a state where the fracking economy has temporarily shielded moderates from the real economy: 

 

Household debt is again at record highs - surpassing the 2008 levels by $1.5 trillion.

The CMD’s latest Quarterly Report on Household Debt and Credit reveals that total household debt increased by $193 billion, or 1.4 percent, to reach $14.15 trillion in the fourth quarter of 2019. This marks the twenty-second consecutive quarterly increase, with total household debt now $1.5 trillion higher, in nominal terms, than the pre-recession peak of $12.68 trillion, set in the third quarter of 2008. 

 

https://www.newyorkfed.org/microeconomics/hhdc.html

 

There is genuine economic fear our there - outside of the oil patch. And you know what happens when the non-oil economy falters - down goes oil and the workers in the the fossil fuel industry.  I think we are already seeing those pains work their way through the system. If China's industry crashes, the demand for oil will sink quickly.

 

I remember what it was like to live in Texas when oil and gas + banking sectors were ailing, while the nation was feeling no pain. Texas was on an island and no one cared. Frankly, with Sanders' support in Texas, I think economic worries have become pressing - even if it doesn't hit centrists' bank accounts just yet. 

 

But again - you blueberries in Texas know what it is like to live under Trump in a red state and I don't. And you may be far more connected to the damage done by Trump to vulnerable communities in Texas. 

 

I don't believe giving up is the answer - when so many with less powerful voices need your solidarity. 

Us, not me. 

I live smack dab in the middle of the strawberry soup that is Midland, Texas. This town abso-fucking-lutely loves Donald Trump. I mean looooooves him. You should see the ads the guys running for the Repub congressional seat here are running. They might even make Trump blush, they're so obviously publicly fellating him.

[bad_teammate 13191]

I think talk of a literal military squashing of democracy is a lot less realistic and effective than a billionaire oligarch spending years buying up media influence and Congressional influence to make his transition to unchecked power seem natural, normal, and even desired.

Manufacturing consent, essentially. The ultrawealth class has already essentially accomplished this, and all Bloomberg would need to do is further consolidate that under himself as a figurehead.

 

[bad_teammate 13191]

Remember during the debate when Bernie was talking about the racism and sexism that his black female campaign staff receives?

That's Dr. Jason Johnson, constant MSNBC contributor, calling Bernie's black female campaign staffers "people from the island of misfit black girls".

Please tell me more about Bernie Bros, everyone. I can't wait to hear all about it.

[burntorangebongos 10710]

Both Bernie and Trump are isolationists and represent the global retreat of the US from diplomatic, economic and military perspectives. 

===================

So how is Bernie an isolationist from a diplomatic and military perspective?

This is interesting and I'd like to hear more when you have a chance @GW Hayduke

 

[Anastasis 23463]

11 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

Both Bernie and Trump are isolationists and represent the global retreat of the US from diplomatic, economic and military perspectives. 

===================

So how is Bernie an isolationist from a diplomatic and military perspective?

This is interesting and I'd like to hear more when you have a chance @GW Hayduke

 

Isolationist just means you don’t suck the cocks of war profiteers. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

36 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I agree.

Which is why I think that it makes sense for our #1 priority to be defeating the forces of Trump and Trumpism, which are and will continue to exacerbate the suffering of the least among us.  Take out the existential threat.  That's why I've said I'll vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, because see my #1 priority.  But see my point that Bernie's a huge problem because of two groups that don't share my #1 priority: hardcore Bernie Bros, and weakly center-left Dems.

And I hear you, but the polls and the enthusiasm - most importantly, the enthusiasm - indicate centrists are lagging indicators. Some will accuse them of not giving a damn. Some will say they like their economic status and are hanging on to that position despite the carnage below them. 

Personally, I think the Democratic Party has been swamped with ineffectual Never Trumper Republicans who do not know how to beat Trump. They lost their party to Trump, but somehow they think they know what's best for the Democratic Party. Look at MSNBC - it is a cesspool of never trumpers and neocons spouting off Republican talking points about the audacity of hope. 

Sanders will end up with a majority or near majority of delegates. That is just math at this point. I do believe his VP pick (Kamala, perhaps) will bring some centrists into the fold.

Do I think Sanders beats Trump? No question about that.   Bloomberg? No way. Those who did not watch the debate have no idea what a weak candidate he is. He is all advertising Mike at this point; in real life, he is a milk dud.    Warren? Has a shot.    Buttigieg? Nope - not a chance - the consultant class is hated by most working Americans and you know Trump will conjure up the darkest forces in his America to defeat him (which is absolutely despicable).   Biden - no - unclean hands will not defeat Trump's fecal stained mitts. 

A real conversation about crony capitalism (Trump) v. representative democracy wins this election for the Democratic nominee. Trump's support for crony capitalism (socialism for the wealthy and well-connected) cuts into Trump's message deeply. We need clean hands to make that argument. 

Centrists? The base of the Democratic Party has signaled its intent. It would be helpful if the centrists came along, but that is an individual decision. It is extremely unhelpful to discourage young and new Democratic voters. That is a Republican dirty trick strategy. Please don't do it.

And if Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, Neera Tanden of CAP, and David Frum (Mr. Neocon) are promoting an idea or candidate,  please don't follow. Those three losers were born to lose election after election. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Dirk X West 772]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Isolationist just means you don’t suck the cocks of war profiteers. 

Trump isn't an isolationist then I guess.

[Anastasis 23463]

8 minutes ago, Dirk X West said:

Trump isn't an isolationist then I guess.

Trump loves him some arms sales to dictators, no doubt. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

1 hour ago, Skipper said:

Bernie V. Trump is Russia's wet dream.   Of course they are.

[Zonahorn 8079]

I'm just gonna say it, I don't give a shit what a declining regional power does.

[Brisketexan 105066]

14 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

A real conversation about crony capitalism (Trump) v. representative democracy wins this election for the Democratic nominee. Trump's support for crony capitalism (socialism for the wealthy and well-connected) cuts into Trump's message deeply. We need clean hands to make that argument. 

Oh.  You think that a discussion of issues and ideas matters.  I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion about the election, and what will actually drive voters.  Hate to break it to you, but even among Democratic voters, emotion, catchphrases, and soundbites are what matters.

As a society, we are not capable of a "real conversation" about...well, ANYTHING.  Policies and ideas -- how adorably quaint.

[henrygandorf 29189]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh.  You think that a discussion of issues and ideas matters.  I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion about the election, and what will actually drive voters.  Hate to break it to you, but even among Democratic voters, emotion, catchphrases, and soundbites are what matters.

also the consultant class.  working americans don't like that.

[Brisketexan 105066]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

also the consultant class.  working americans don't like that.

Absolutely.  Why, when I'm out on a site visit, the guys in work boots never stop bitching to me about those McKinsey bastards.

[pyrohornIII 4814]

 

 

On 2/19/2020 at 12:38 PM, 6th Street said:

Sanders' health doesn't matter. The bigger concern for voters will be the likelihood of higher taxes and govt run healthcare under a Sanders regime. It's basically impossible to win a general election while campaigning on a tax increase.

Depends on who you are talking about taxing.

44 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Remember during the debate when Bernie was talking about the racism and sexism that his black female campaign staff receives?

That's Dr. Jason Johnson, constant MSNBC contributor, calling Bernie's black female campaign staffers "people from the island of misfit black girls".

Please tell me more about Bernie Bros, everyone. I can't wait to hear all about it.

Wondering how he describes Diamond and Silk.

[washparkhorn 9939]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh.  You think that a discussion of issues and ideas matters.  I'm sorry, I thought we were having a discussion about the election, and what will actually drive voters.  Hate to break it to you, but even among Democratic voters, emotion, catchphrases, and soundbites are what matters.

As a society, we are not capable of a "real conversation" about...well, ANYTHING.  Policies and ideas -- how adorably quaint.

I understand you have a cynical view. And I have no doubt it comes from experiences and a well reasoned analysis based on knowledge and experience. 

But I will push back with respect. There is an eagerness to understand how we got here by younger Americans. The poor have seen and felt the structural changes spot welded on to the American Experience and have pleaded to have those deformities removed. The working and middle classes have seen the bottom drop out from underneath them and are laser focused on repairing the damage done by a rogue "trickle down" economic theory, which should have never been implemented in this nation. They all understand the economic policies of Milton Friedman have been a boon for the wealthiest interests in this nation. They are having those discussions. It is probably time for the sheltered centrists to think about it as well as they misguidedly assume this election is not about the economy. 

It is always about the economy. 

[Zonahorn 8079]

1 minute ago, pyrohornIII said:

 

 

Depends on who you are talking about taxing.

Wondering how he describes Diamond and Silk.

Rhymes with Shmuncle Shmom

[Brisketexan 105066]

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

They all understand the economic policies of Milton Friedman have been a boon for the wealthiest interests in this nation.

What the fucking fuck?  Dude, get out of your bubble -- in terms of education, being well-read, etc., you're running around with the top 5% crowd.  Even with respect to "the young" -- you're interacting with the children of the top 5% education etc.  Most other folks?  If they even tried to GUESS who Milton Friedman is, it'd be 50/50 between "the local rabbi" and "my aunt's divorce lawyer."  Come on, man.

We are the Republic of Ow My Balls.  

[bad_teammate 13191]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Absolutely.  Why, when I'm out on a site visit, the guys in work boots never stop bitching to me about those McKinsey bastards.

Why would they make fun of you to your face though?

[Brisketexan 105066]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Why would they make fun of you to your face though?

Oh, they do.  They just do it in Spanish, thinking that I don't speak the lingo.  I'm a pretty white-looking mexican coonass.  It's usually good for a chuckle after I leave.

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

We are the Republic of Ow My Balls.  

nah - only the trumpers and the some centrists who punch down on the less fortunate because that's how they make their moolah. That's not you or anyone who shares your despair. 

[bad_teammate 13191]

They loved me on site visits. "Hijo de puta", they called me. Means "Man of good breeding".

I got it tattooed across my lower back

[Brisketexan 105066]

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

nah - only the trumpers and the some centrists who punch down on the less fortunate because that's how they make their moolah. That's not you or anyone who shares your despair. 

Oh....you think that the base on the left in this country is made of intellectual heavyweights.  Dude.  While the party of Trump may have mastered the art of moronity, they don't occupy the entire field.  "Stupid" is our national brand.  The Trump party has just become masters at co-opting it.

Don't blame me, I voted for Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

[GSU&UT 1798]

Bernie got 30,000 people to show up between two different rallies on the same day. It's insane that you think that he is to be the least popular candidate, just because so many of you were conservative until Trump came along doesn't mean the rest of us are. If you are so worried about another four years of Trump, I hope that you're going to help get the vote out for Bernie if he gets the nomination.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

Bernie knew about this a MONTH AGO! Why did he not say anything?! I’m not saying he’s a Russian asset, but this is very bad for his optics and people are talking about whether he likes it or not. 
 

/Hugo’d 

[henrygandorf 29189]

1 minute ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Bernie knew about this a MONTH AGO! Why did he not say anything?! I’m not saying he’s a Russian asset, but this is very bad for his optics and people are talking about whether he likes it or not. 
 

/Hugo’d 

wapo jokes aside, i just assumed it came out to muddy the waters after the trump news.  how could anyone think otherwise?

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

Bernie got 30,000 people to show up between two different rallies on the same day. It's insane that you think that he is to be the least popular candidate, just because so many of you were conservative until Trump came along doesn't mean the rest of us are. If you are so worried about another four years of Trump, I hope that you're going to help get the vote out for Bernie if he gets the nomination.

The rallies with tens of thousands of enthusiastic supporters and the polls showing Bernie leading aren’t how you judge a politicians’ popularity. To really figure it out you need to talk to upper middle class professionals who used to be Republicans and now cosplay as Democrats. That’s the pulse of America. 

[Hank Kingsley 20906]

I will do my part to help Bernie, but having to answer "don't worry, he's not gonna be able to pass anything" when skeptics/detractors complain about his policies will be awkward. 

 

[Brisketexan 105066]

2 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

It's insane that you think that he is to be the least popular candidate,

I don't think that.

I think that if he does not get an outright majority of delegates, and we have to go to a brokered convention, there is a process that will determine whether he is popular enough to take the nomination, or, alternatively, if his failure to get a majority indicates that he is UNPOPULAR enough such that someone else should be the nominee.  I haven't decided any of that -- the voters still need to speak, and if there isn't a majority, then the existing process needs to be implemented.

Bernie supporters, on the other hand, HAVE pre-determined their take -- if Bernie gets a plurality, and doesn't end up with the nomination going into the convention, they will NOT respect any outcome of the existing brokered convention process OTHER than a Bernie nomination.  Bernie and his supporters knew what the process was before he even filed his paperwork to run....but NOW, now that it's possible he won't get an outright majority, well, if he doesn't win after a plurality, THE FIX IS IN!

That you can't see the difference between those perspectives is, umm, problematic.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

24 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

nah - only the trumpers and the some centrists who punch down on the less fortunate because that's how they make their moolah. That's not you or anyone who shares your despair. 

Maybe. But one thing I try and remember is history. A Gallup poll taken right after the Kent State massacre had 58% blaming the students. In a 2016 book written about the shootings, the author states that some students were told that more should have been killed to teach student protestors a lesson. Those attitudes didn't go away. Nixon was perceived to be cold and unfeeling toward the slain students, but ultimately Trump would react far far worse and as much as folks say that Americans are too lazy to do anything, I'm not so sure there aren't plenty of citizens who would love to take advantage of the chaos to wreak their own havoc on whomever they wish to prey.

 

Edit to add- Sorry it took me awhile to type. I'm referring to fear based politicking.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins
Addition

[Brisketexan 105066]

4 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

The rallies with tens of thousands of enthusiastic supporters and the polls showing Bernie leading aren’t how you judge a politicians’ popularity. To really figure it out you need to talk to upper middle class professionals who used to be Republicans and now cosplay as Democrats. That’s the pulse of America. 

Or, you could listen to just the members of a base that couldn't get enough votes in the right states to beat Donald Trump last time, and tell everyone else to fuck off.  That seems like a mathematically winning strategy.

Metaphorically, I don't care if a person was baptized as an infant and raised in the tradition, or whether they converted last year -- I just need folks who will show up on Sunday and fill the pews.

Don't mistake the level of enthusiasm for numbers.  If "level of enthusiasm" translated to "the dominant position," then "suicide bomber" is the dominant position for folks who believe in God (because, I mean, I think if you are willing to blow yourself up for God, you're ULTRA-enthusiastic).

10,000 lukewarm voters beats 9,000 rabidly enthusiastic voters in 100 out of 100 elections.

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I will do my part to help Bernie, but having to answer "don't worry, he's not gonna be able to pass anything" when skeptics/detractors complain about his policies will be awkward. 

 

Try this out on yourself:

[TexasEd 8066]

38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What the fucking fuck?  Dude, get out of your bubble -- in terms of education, being well-read, etc., you're running around with the top 5% crowd.  Even with respect to "the young" -- you're interacting with the children of the top 5% education etc.  Most other folks?  If they even tried to GUESS who Milton Friedman is, it'd be 50/50 between "the local rabbi" and "my aunt's divorce lawyer."  Come on, man.

We are the Republic of Ow My Balls.  

I'd bet on writer for Loony Tunes