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Chuckie Finster

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The goal is not to convert them. The goal is to tamp down enthusiasm in the Trump base, not fire it up. 

You are not living in reality if you think the number of people who will vote solely to prevent Biden presidency is larger than the number of people who will vote solely to prevent Bernie.
The only people who believe the Biden shit will be voting for Trump no matter what. But there are a ton of people who don’t love Trump, but will choose him over a socialist. They’re dumb and ill-informed and I wish we didn’t have to deal with them, but they’re there.
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31 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Biden has the momentum now not Bernie. Bernie appears that he will slightly win Super Tuesday but the story will still be that Bernie is slipping. I’m seeing polls that Bernie might not win Texas which seemed a lock a couple of days ago for him.

biden is going to win the nomination. Too many people dislike Bernie. And deep down everyone knows Obama is supporting Biden and every democrat loves Obama.

 

Biden's major hope is that all of that happens and that Bloomberg transfers the money and org to Biden, who has complete shit at this point.  Biden as a self funded nominee would be a disaster.  He'd have to build everything from scratch and the DNC is broke.

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11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


You are not living in reality if you think the number of people who will vote solely to prevent Biden presidency is larger than the number of people who will vote solely to prevent Bernie.
The only people who believe the Biden shit will be voting for Trump no matter what. But there are a ton of people who don’t love Trump, but will choose him over a socialist. They’re dumb and ill-informed and I wish we didn’t have to deal with them, but they’re there.

We see the world differently. Next time you see someone advocating for farm subsidies - remind them that is a SOCIALIST program. The reality is we have a mixed economy - like almost every other nation on earth. We are a laughingstock for our socialist scaremongering - when it is clear to everyone else as we have so many socialist programs already. 

Enjoy your internet - a creation of US socialism. 

We will lose if this election is about Russia/Ukraine. Trump will control the narrative and - just like 2016 - he will win again. 

We need to stand for something. 

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Hank Kingsley

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Bernie had a million volunteers phone banking and door knocking in Iowa and NH, with an organization that dwarfed his competitors. The end result was edging out Buttigieg by around 6k people in popular vote and trailing in delegates to Pete after those 2 states. 

Obviously NV was a fantastic result for Sanders.

SC was a wipeout and massive boost for Biden. 
 

The very online world has overstated the power of Bernie’s movement so far with the first 4 states, which makes sense as the loudest people online are Berners.

Super Tuesday will be the real evidence of how strong his support really is, especially now that Biden is his clear rival. 

 

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Chuckie Finster

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We see the world differently. Next time you see someone advocating for farm subsidies - remind them that is a SOCIALIST program. The reality is we have a mixed economy - like almost every other nation on earth. We are a laughingstock for our socialist scaremongering - when it is clear to everyone else as we have so many socialist programs already.  Enjoy your internet - a creation of US socialism. 

We will lose if this election is about Russia/Ukraine. Trump will control the narrative and - just like 2016 - he will win again. 

We need to stand for something. 

 

Look man, I agree with you. But unfortunately our country is filled with dumbasses who don’t. I applaud you for fighting the good fight, but we’re at a point where there’s no honor in losing. And this is a losing battle you guys are waging.

Edited to add: I disagree about your last point. Trump already shot his shot against Biden. It will be old news by the time the election rolls around.

Double edited: to be clear, because this is weird territory for me as I am not a Biden supporter... I actually think Bernie would make a better president in 2021. But I do think Biden has a better shot to beat Trump, and I will stand by that. If he picks an inspiring VP candidate (read: the complete fucking opposite of Tim Kaine) then I think he could run away with it.

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Bama Chick

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She didn't reach or connect with Blacks in Souf Carolina.
 


You’re missing the nuance.

Black voters - especially black women - are connecting with Warren but they aren’t sure she can beat Trump.

They’re putting pragmatism over connection and voting for Joe.

Threatened communities don’t have the luxury to vote on connection or purity - they just want Trump gone.

They’re also skittish about white people not getting behind a woman or a “crazy socialist” and giving Trump the victory.

Most of y’all - middle to upper class white men - have the luxury to take a chance this election.

Don’t dismiss the women and the blacks and the browns and the gays and the trans who make the calculation - “Candidate A may not be swinging for big structural change but I think he can win and then I will at least be able to quit worrying about my safety, being thrown in a cage, losing my right to marry, be deported, lose autonomy over by body etc. Just get us back to “normal” and then we’ll worry about big change.”

Ridding this country of Trump is more important than anything else to a big chunk of voters the Democratic nominee will need to win in November.
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bad_teammate

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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Bernie had a million volunteers phone banking and door knocking in Iowa and NH, with an organization that dwarfed his competitors.

Bernie's organization did not dwarf Pete's or Liz's. In terms of paid staff and campaign offices in those states, all 3 were roughly equal (I remember looking them up and posting them here in some thread). Pete spent slightly more on Iowa ads than Bernie.

Bernie has the biggest volunteer force, but neither the Buttigieg nor Warren campaigns are run "traditionally" (like Biden's and Bloomberg's). All 3 are distributed operations with high budgets.

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The end result was edging out Buttigieg by around 6k people in popular vote and trailing in delegates to Pete after those 2 states. 

Which, given Pete's massive demographic advantage in those states, wasn't half-bad for Bernard.

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The very online world has overstated the power of Bernie’s movement so far with the first 4 states, which makes sense as the loudest people online are Berners.

Super Tuesday will be the real evidence of how strong his support really is, especially now that Biden is his clear rival. 

Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina are demographic nightmares for Bernie's campaign. All-white populations and extremely-old populations aren't his forte.

538 state rankings of most representative of Democratic demographics...

States so far:
Iowa - #34
New Hampshire - #42
Nevada - #5
South Carolina - #46

Super Tuesday's biggest delegate states:
Texas - #26
California - #21
North Carolina - #20
Virginia - #14
Mass. - #19

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1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

Never Trump ex-Republicans want someone to beat Trump, and we would vastly prefer Biden over Sanders as President.   Trumpkins want Trump to win and think Bernie is the biggest bum and easiest person to beat in the field.

It is pretty straightforward.

Agreed. Only one of those groups has an actual platform and is constantly working for their agenda.

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

The whole #OperationChaos thing about Republicans voting for Bernie was bullshit.

Republicans are advocating for Biden's candidacy very openly and from massive platforms.

trump told his rally to go vote for bernie.  i don't know what operation chaos is, but trump was encouraging this a couple days ago in south caro.

the republicans you're talking about who are advocating for biden's candidacy are a completely different set of people.  thus, the confusion.

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Look man, I agree with you. But unfortunately our country is filled with dumbasses who don’t. I applaud you for fighting the good fight, but we’re at a point where there’s no honor in losing. And this is a losing battle you guys are waging.

Edited to add: I disagree about your last point. Trump already shot his shot against Biden. It will be old news by the time the election rolls around.

Double edited: to be clear, because this is weird territory for me as I am not a Biden supporter... I actually think Bernie would make a better president in 2021. But I do think Biden has a better shot to beat Trump, and I will stand by that. If he picks an inspiring VP candidate (read: the complete fucking opposite of Tim Kaine) then I think he could run away with it.

This is pretty much where I’m at. 

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25 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Cali voters don't seem to care that much about the SC results.

 

don't seem to care =/= already voted so it doesn't matter

the timing of south caro definitely favored the bern.  biden's campaign moves like a sloth, and time is not on his side in more ways than one. 

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Mayor Pete is out. Supposed to speak in Dallas at 6:30. Guess we’ll hear more there. 
 

I'm legitimately surprised. I figured he, Klobuchar, and Warren would all let Super Tuesday play out at the very least. K8nd of senseless with early voting and all. Sone will not get the message and vote for him on Tuesday too.

Biden must be making promises to clear the lane.
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I'm legitimately surprised. I figured he, Klobuchar, and Warren would all let Super Tuesday play out at the very least. K8nd of senseless with early voting and all. Sone will not get the message and vote for him on Tuesday too.

Biden must be making promises to clear the lane.


This makes sense. If Biden can get Bloomberg go drop out and commit then he has a clear path to win.
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Two nervous thoughts I have when phonebanking...

"Oh god what if Bernie died and someone asks very concernedly, 'Oh, you didn't hear?'" (Same for Bernie dropping out, but mainly about him dying because he's fucking ooooolllllllllddddddddddd.)

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Pete dropped out because he has a lot of political life left in him, including the presidency, but getting drubbed on Super Tuesday would be a bad look to take on in 4, 8, 12, 16 years from now.  People today still talk about how Biden has never won a state primary until South Carolina so that stink stays with you forever.

Now he'll get a chance to play chess behind the scenes to dump Trump and parlay that into a nice Biden admin post.

Well played future president Pete.

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Bama Chick

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Yupppp.

Joe is putting his years of senatorial horse trading experience into play and the outside hype of Bernie being “inevitable” was the best thing that could have happened for Biden.

Klobuchar and Warren will bow out after Super Tuesday.

Who knows what Bloomberg’s stubborn ass will do but you have to believe he knows that if he remains in he’s taking votes from the “Anyone but Bernie” block.

I expect he’ll bow out too because Bernie winning is his nightmare and the reason he jumped in.

The Bernie staff and surrogates blew their wads too early. All their hollering and threats about convention shenanigans and pluralities and such spooked everyone else.

All that creates a perfect storm and come to Jesus moment for everyone else. Biden’s huge victory in SC wrapped it up.

Look for Pete and Amy and Liz to have prominent positions in a Biden administration and I bet they all encourage their supporters to get behind Biden.

Bernie Bros played themselves.

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6 hours ago, Pancho said:

Liz really isn't doing poor in the context that she can't reach them.  She can, and she has.  I'm voting for her as did my parents.  Black women are definitely on her side.  If any candidate has spoken to Blacks the best, it's been Liz. 

The problem is people see the polls and are questioning a.) why aren't others seeing in Liz what Black people are seeing and 2.) can she beat trump.  I also believe Bernie's coalition is just too much to overcome for Liz.  I've said it before and I'll say it again--Black people want to beat trump. That (from everything I've seen over the last few months) is the top goal.   The polls still show Biden is the person to do that, so there's your answer as to why most (not all) Blacks are on his side and not someone like Liz. 

Now Mayo Pete?  He's doing poorly because he just doesn't make any damn sense when it comes to Black people and his plans.  I expect him to end his race after Tuesday. 

 

Why the fuck hasn't Russian Tulsi gotten out yet?

Thank you. I voted Warren early. I said on Twitter last night that it was a vote from my bleeding heart and not my cynical head. 

A lot has happened since earlier in the day. 

 

 

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Nice Guy Eddie

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From the 60 minutes interview, it doesn’t seem like Bloomberg is going away anytime soon. Now of course he can’t say he’s going to quit but he seemed sincere. Besides his only goal seems to ensure trump doesn’t win and not winning himself. And staying in the race makes him more relevant.

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6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

From the 60 minutes interview, it doesn’t seem like Bloomberg is going away anytime soon. Now of course he can’t say he’s going to quit but he seemed sincere. Besides his only goal seems to ensure trump doesn’t win and not winning himself. And staying in the race makes him more relevant.

Unless Biden gets his campaign shit together like tomorrow then Bloomberg can grind out delegates for the next 3 months.  Biden was run one of the most ill prepared and disorganized campaigns of any front runner in history.

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Unless Biden gets his campaign shit together like tomorrow then Bloomberg can grind out delegates for the next 3 months.  Biden was run one of the most ill prepared and disorganized campaigns of any front runner in history.

And he’s basically at the top and may still be tied with Bernie after Tuesday. 

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