2020 Democratic Nominee

[Dbeasy 15613]

Bernie tried to keep Big Pharma from gouging. Biden opposed those efforts.
 

The Bernie Bro’s are in a furious race to post as much propaganda on Biden as possible, that they’ve been given by their propaganda machines. So obvious. BT and Wash in a post-off.

[henrygandorf 29229]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

If you say, "Hey, I want you to vote for b_t in round 2!" to your delegates they can just ignore you and vote for Tuco instead.

are those...my only two options?

[Dbeasy 15613]

I'm sure the Trumpers won't use this against him . . . 

 
Looks like four more years.

Exactly! Because Trump has been so much more respectful of women!

[Dbeasy 15613]

 

This is the most disappointing thing. Warren and Klobuchar are better than all of the men.

[Hank Kingsley 21814]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I think it's pretty clear that Warren has no desire at all to help Bernie Sanders. None of them do.

He's an entirely different species and they know it.

I sorta question how much of Warren's current support actually goes to Bernie. Her numbers have plummeted for months, and Bernie definitely gained some of that support. 

Who are the biggest portions of her current base? I 'd guess there are a lot of women, #Resisters, and former Hillary voters, and they won't necessarily turn to Bernie. 

 

[gmr548 16704]

Siap... Heard on talk radio recently that Democrats may have erred in having scheduled the 2020 California Democratic Primary so early.
Thoughts??

States set their election dates so it's not really an error by the Ds. Until pretty recently they were at the very end, they probably just got tired of being irrelevant despite being the biggest state.

What's the argument for it being a mistake?

[Dbeasy 15613]

Hillary completely annihilated him in the debates last time, and nobody cared.  He was reduced to third grade responses like, “No, you’re the puppet.  I know you are, but what am I?”
Buttigieg and Warren win all the debates in this primary.  He’s already out, and she was actually doing a lot worse than him.
The debates are largely irrelevant now.  They’re a vehicle for the networks to get more ratings events than just the actual election results, but fewer and fewer people give a shit about them when choosing a candidate.  
And I think that’s actually probably correct of the electorate under most circumstances, especially with how the media structures the debates now to just be sound byte food fights.   Winning these debates is not really representative of the skills needed to be a good President.  Trump should be an exception where people should care, because he proves himself to be completely ignorant and a compulsive liar in debates.  But again, we have already seen it doesn’t matter.

What the debates demonstrate is the Eddie Izzard principle - it’s 70% how you look when you talk, 20% how you say it, and 10% what you say. We are not a Democracy. We are an Idiocracy. “I am a donut!”

[wildcat09 29601]

8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Exactly! Because Trump has been so much more respectful of women!

 

Part of the theory behind picking a moderate nominee is that the moderate will be more likely to pick up votes with moderate suburban women who hate Trump for being a piece of shit towards women. Biden's history of grabbiness probably neutralizes that.

[bad_teammate 13568]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

What the debates demonstrate is the Eddie Izzard principle - it’s 70% how you look when you talk, 20% how you say it, and 10% what you say. We are not a Democracy. We are an Idiocracy. “I am a donut!”

 

In that case, we're turbofucked.

[washparkhorn 9974]

11 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

The Bernie Bro’s are in a furious race to post as much propaganda on Biden as possible, that they’ve been given by their propaganda machines. So obvious. BT and Wash in a post-off.

 

Nah - people have just forgotten about why he did so poorly in Iowa.

Cutting SS - a lifelong dream and promise of Biden - sinks him. That is just one issue among many the Establishment forgot from Iowa, but it will be the end of him in the General Election. 

Keep whistling past the graveyard. We have hubris overload again by the Never Trumpers and the Neeracrats in backing Biden. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I sorta question how much of Warren's current support actually goes to Bernie. Her numbers have plummeted for months, and Bernie definitely gained some of that support. 

Who are the biggest portions of her current base? I 'd guess there are a lot of women, #Resisters, and former Hillary voters, and they won't necessarily turn to Bernie. 

 

Exactly. My wife is a hardcore dem but a fairly conservative one who doesn’t really like Bernie and has already early voted for Liz in the Texas dem primary. She also liked Hillary. 

[Biff Tannen 46206]

7 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

What the debates demonstrate is the Eddie Izzard principle - it’s 70% how you look when you talk, 20% how you say it, and 10% what you say. We are not a Democracy. We are an Idiocracy. “I am a donut!”

 

Yeah, but it's a slang, he's an American!  He's a fuckin' donut! 

[gmr548 16704]

 

When I said "no more boomers," this is not what I meant.

['stache 22148]

8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Part of the theory behind picking a moderate nominee is that the moderate will be more likely to pick up votes with moderate suburban women who hate Trump for being a piece of shit towards women. Biden's history of grabbiness probably neutralizes that.

Oh bullshit. There are no republicans who will vote for a democrat anymore. Period. Any republican you hear say "they don't really agree with Trumps methods" will still vote for him, either because of taxes, abortion, or judges, or whatever excuse they come up with to pretend they don't like Trump (spoiler: they love him because jesus or something). If the majority of democratic voters are moderate, fine, vote for Biden or Bloomberg. But don't make any decision hoping that a republican voter can be won. They can't. Biden will be a called an Obama loving bill ayers socialist by the time November rolls around, and those who pretend to be "moderate" republicans will be scared into reelecting their cheeto god. Vote for who you like then rally behind the democrat. That's what I'm gonna do.

Edited March 2, 2020 by 'stache

[bad_teammate 13568]

"Listen up, the Republicans made a huge mistake by letting an extremely popular guy get through the convention without a unified establishment effort to sink him! After all, THAT GUY ENDED UP WINNING! WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN TO US!!"

 

lol

[David Dennison 19570]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"Listen up, the Republicans made a huge mistake by letting an extremely popular guy get through the convention without a unified establishment effort to sink him! After all, THAT GUY ENDED UP WINNING! WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN TO US!!"

 

lol

And you'll help Trump out of spite.

Cool.

[Ghost of LL 15705]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

"Listen up, the Republicans made a huge mistake by letting an extremely popular guy get through the convention without a unified establishment effort to sink him! After all, THAT GUY ENDED UP WINNING! WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN TO US!!"

 

lol

How the fuck do you reckon that Trump was "extremely popular"?  He did got a lower percentage of the vote than Romney.  No candidate in a two-person race has ever had a lower percentage of the vote than Trump (46.1%) and won.

He won solely because of the built-in advantage the GOP has in the Electoral College.  A Democratic candidate who loses the popular vote will absolutely and unquestionably lose in the Electoral College.

[Biff Tannen 46206]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And you'll help Trump out of spite.

Cool.

To be fair, he's promised he wont'.  Right B_T?

[David Dennison 19570]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

To be fair, he's promised he wont'.  Right B_T?

I was under the impression that if Bernie gets to Milwaukee with a plurality of delegates but does not get the nomination, BT will not vote for the Democratic nominee.

 

[mchookem 16787]

well fuck him then lol

[washparkhorn 9974]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I was under the impression that if Bernie gets to Milwaukee with a plurality of delegates but does not get the nomination, BT will not vote for the Democratic nominee.

 

This shit again?  One vote from bt doesn't matter. 

The Never Trumpers Repubs and Neeracrats need to start building bridges with Sanders supporters. This move will kill off the grassroots support - which is the only passion in this race. 

Biden supporters are toxic.

Start building bridges. Neeracrats and NeverTrumpers need to add to their elite coalition. 

Edited March 2, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Tuco 5094]

33 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I sorta question how much of Warren's current support actually goes to Bernie. Her numbers have plummeted for months, and Bernie definitely gained some of that support. 

Who are the biggest portions of her current base? I 'd guess there are a lot of women, #Resisters, and former Hillary voters, and they won't necessarily turn to Bernie. 

 

Which is why staying in the race may actually help Bernie. 

[bad_teammate 13568]

8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And you'll help Trump out of spite.

In practical terms, as a Texas voter, nothing I do hurts or helps any candidate.

As an organizer/volunteer/donor? That's actual help that can work in swing states.

I will vote for the person chosen by Democratic voters or I won't vote on the top line. I will vote Straight D downballot in any case.

8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

How the fuck do you reckon that Trump was "extremely popular"?

He was far more popular than the other Republican candidates.

Trump announced his candidacy mid-June. He took #1 in polling in early July and never lost it.

[Biff Tannen 46206]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

The Never Trumpers Repubs and Neeracrats need to star building bridges with Sanders supporters

Uh, it works both ways pal.

[washparkhorn 9974]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Uh, it works both ways pal.

No - it doesn't lil buddy. If Biden takes the nomination, his supporters have a lot of mending to do. Best to start now. 

[Biff Tannen 46206]

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

No - it doesn't lil buddy. If Biden takes the nomination, his supporters have a lot of mending to do. Best to start now. 

Who you callin' buddy, friend?

[David Dennison 19570]

The Democratic circular firing squad never ceases to amaze.

[washparkhorn 9974]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The Democratic circular firing squad never ceases to amaze.

We are all family. 

Some in the family want a fairer distribution of power. That's natural.

[Hank Scorpio 17924]

 

[Brisketexan 107042]

Seems a pretty ripe question -- who would Bernie and Biden pick for VP?

Biden: does he pick someone more mainstream, to solidify his identity, or does he go more liberal to expand his reach?  What would a pick of Warren do (presume any of the people I'm listing would actually accept, which they may well not do)?  Stacy Abrams?  I can see a good VP pick by Biden buying him a few points of support.  Not much more than that, but something measurable.

Bernie: who the heck does he even pick?  Picking a more maintstream candidate would likely be seen as a betrayal by his base.  But it'll be hard to pick someone who has similar hardcore progressive bonafides.  I really can't see any Bernie pick, except a terrible one, moving the needle for him much.

 

[Brisketexan 107042]

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

No - it doesn't lil buddy. If Biden takes the nomination, his supporters have a lot of mending to do. Best to start now. 

Wait....WHY does that not work both ways?  Bernie doesn't need any support from the non-hardcore Bernie crowd?  I, ummm, gotta question your math there a little bit.

[bad_teammate 13568]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait....WHY does that not work both ways?  Bernie doesn't need any support from the non-hardcore Bernie crowd?  I, ummm, gotta question your math there a little bit.

Bernie's platform is universal. The only people he dismisses are billionaires.

Biden, on the other hand, openly mocks the needs of young people.

['stache 22148]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Seems a pretty ripe question -- who would Bernie and Biden pick for VP?

Biden: does he pick someone more mainstream, to solidify his identity, or does he go more liberal to expand his reach?  What would a pick of Warren do (presume any of the people I'm listing would actually accept, which they may well not do)?  Stacy Abrams?  I can see a good VP pick by Biden buying him a few points of support.  Not much more than that, but something measurable.

Bernie: who the heck does he even pick?  Picking a more maintstream candidate would likely be seen as a betrayal by his base.  But it'll be hard to pick someone who has similar hardcore progressive bonafides.  I really can't see any Bernie pick, except a terrible one, moving the needle for him much.

 

I think Biden would pick Mayor Pete, to appeal to the yoots while still being "moderate"--whatever that means anymore.

Edited March 2, 2020 by 'stache

[Ghost of LL 15705]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think Biden would pick Mayor Pete, to appeal to the yoots while still being "moderate"--whatever that means anymore.

I really think it needs to be a woman and/or person of color.  

Warren might work.  I could also see someone like Duckworth.

[Todd Gack 448]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I think Biden would pick Mayor Pete, to appeal to the yoots while still being "moderate"--whatever that means anymore.

Pete/Pence VP debate would be very colorful.

[Brisketexan 107042]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Bernie's platform is universal. The only people he dismisses are billionaires.

Great sales pitch.  Now, back to reality -- to whom does he APPEAL?  And, who have he and his surrogates alienated (after all, we are told regularly about how much all the moderate dems have so offended the Bernie supporters)?  You can pretend that a whole bunch of Dem voters AREN'T turned off by the rhetoric of Bernie and his crowd, but pretending won't make it true.  What is Bernie going to do to bring those folks into the fold, or is he going to take the "fuck them, if they don't see how awesome I am, they suck and I don't want their vote" approach?

You keep saying a lot of shit, but that doesn't make it true.  The Democratic party is not the same mindless, unthinking monolith that the GOP is (that is, ready to join a cult, any cult).  You have genuine differences in approaches and thinking, by people who actually think about issues and such.  What is the Bernie plan to unify that?  I mean, we're being told upthread repeatedly that if Biden wants to be taken seriously and have a chance, then HE needs to figure out how to "mend fences" with Bernie's crowd (I agree with that)....but Bernie, well, he doesn't need to do anything, because he's already perfection come down to earth, and all will accept it, even though we have proof that many don't?

[Tuco 5094]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Seems a pretty ripe question -- who would Bernie and Biden pick for VP?

Biden: does he pick someone more mainstream, to solidify his identity, or does he go more liberal to expand his reach?  What would a pick of Warren do (presume any of the people I'm listing would actually accept, which they may well not do)?  Stacy Abrams?  I can see a good VP pick by Biden buying him a few points of support.  Not much more than that, but something measurable.

Bernie: who the heck does he even pick?  Picking a more maintstream candidate would likely be seen as a betrayal by his base.  But it'll be hard to pick someone who has similar hardcore progressive bonafides.  I really can't see any Bernie pick, except a terrible one, moving the needle for him much.

 

Woman, person of color, or both. 

 

[Brisketexan 107042]

Just now, Tuco said:

Woman, person of color, or both. 

 

 

NAILED IT.

[washparkhorn 9974]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait....WHY does that not work both ways?  Bernie doesn't need any support from the non-hardcore Bernie crowd?  I, ummm, gotta question your math there a little bit.

You have the power structure, not the people behind you. The people don't have the power structure behind them, you do. A return to normalcy - whatever the fuck that means - is not what most people want.  Unfortunately , they have the audacity of hope. 

Give them hope for a better future, not more of the same. 

 

[Biff Tannen 46206]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

Give them hope for a better future, not more of the same. 

A better future is anyone but trump.

['stache 22148]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I really think it needs to be a woman and/or person of color.  

Warren might work.  I could also see someone like Duckworth.

Hes got the ghey, that qualifies as diversity.

[mchookem 16787]

when Obama won, he needed an old white guy as VP.

since Biden is that old white guy, i think the reverse is true...he needs someone young, minority/female... many of the field will do - Pete, Harris, Amy, Warren, Booker, etc.

eta: i feel like Bernie's pick will be more about ideological alignment vs strategy...i could see him going with AOC or someone similar. 

Edited March 2, 2020 by mchookem

[Ghost of LL 15705]

1 minute ago, mchookem said:

when Obama won, he needed an old white guy as VP.

since Biden is that old white guy, i think the reverse is true...he needs someone young, minority/female... many of the field will do - Pete, Harris, Amy, Warren, Booker, etc.

I still love me some Cory Booker.

[bad_teammate 13568]

Yeah who is this guy's VP going to be!?

lol

[washparkhorn 9974]

3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Woman, person of color, or both. 

 

Lip service tokenism is not going to work. This electorate is not the dummies of 1992. 

He is going to need a shift from a Republican policy he backs to a progressive policy. For instance - Medicare for All or not cutting SS or erasing his bankruptcy legislation or a instituting a wealth tax or criminal justice reform or walking away from reliance on globalism or the Green New Deal. 

 

[babysdaddy 2731]

BT, Wash, and HS walk into a bar to Bernie strategery:

BT- Look, Rat fucker and Shake Hair are out and supporting Biden.  We need to spam the board with as much negative Biden shit as possible.  

Wash- I've got some sweet slowmo creepy Biden footage that Dear Leader's campaign emailed out to me earlier.  Should I post those?

HS- No Way! We don't want to look like we're playing dirty.......Guys, totes kidding.  That was sarcasm!  That's my deal! Post that shit.

BT- Fine, shut the fuck up.  Do it Wash.  Spam the board.  If we post enough then maybe these retarded rubes will realize it is Bernie or bust for the Bros.  Bend to our will or 4 more years of Trump.  Fuck it, we're white and rich so it ain't that bad.   Also,  I'll get my AR 15 and come to Milwaukee if it isn't Bernie. 

Wash- Cool, and I'll make sure I continue to compile a list of who all the posters are voting for.  Insolence will not be tolerated and we'll need a list to go through in November to see who can post opinions or not.

HS- Maybe we should make non Bros have a special sign off or maybe a badge identifying them as non Bro posters?  You know, like a piece of flare?  Like the Nazis did with Jews.

Wash- Is that sarcasm too?  'Cause it seems like a great idea.

Hail Berndawg!  

[washparkhorn 9974]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

A better future is anyone but trump.

That is where Never Trumper Republicans/Neeracrats have badly misread the electorate this election and in 2016. Outside of the white suburbs and DC, the electorate demands more than just getting rid of Trump. MSNBC has sadly misinformed its devoted viewers. 

[washparkhorn 9974]

1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

BT, Wash, and HS walk into a bar to Bernie strategery:

BT- Look, Rat fucker and Shake Hair are out and supporting Biden.  We need to spam the board with as much negative Biden shit as possible.  

Wash- I've got some sweet slowmo creepy Biden footage that Dear Leader's campaign emailed out to me earlier.  Should I post those?

HS- No Way! We don't want to look like we're playing dirty.......Guys, totes kidding.  That was sarcasm!  That's my deal! Post that shit.

BT- Fine, shut the fuck up.  Do it Wash.  Spam the board.  If we post enough then maybe these retarded rubes will realize it is Bernie or bust for the Bros.  Bend to our will or 4 more years of Trump.  Fuck it, we're white and rich so it ain't that bad.   Also,  I'll get my AR 15 and come to Milwaukee if it isn't Bernie. 

Wash- Cool, and I'll make sure I continue to compile a list of who all the posters are voting for.  Insolence will not be tolerated and we'll need a list to go through in November to see who can post opinions or not.

HS- Maybe we should make non Bros have a special sign off or maybe a badge identifying them as non Bro posters?  You know, like a piece of flare?  Like the Nazis did with Jews.

Wash- Is that sarcasm too?  'Cause it seems like a great idea.

Hail Berndawg!  

We will fight for you too. Mental health benefits are part of Medicare for All. Best wishes to you, with all sincerity. 

[bad_teammate 13568]

Bernie Sanders had an uncle who was executed by the SS because the uncle wouldn't give up the location of resistance fighters.

His father, that uncle's brother, came to America with no money and no ability to speak English. He worked as a paint salesman. Bernie's mother died right after his high school graduation and his father a few years later.

I think the Nazi jokes about Bernie are great and hilarious and good. Right-wingers are very funny.

[TexEx15 17960]