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If the establishment thought Biden could beat Trump then they would have rallied around him months ago and not on the eve of Super Tuesday. They know he’s a weak piece of shit candidate, but with Bloomberg beginning to fade and Pete and Amy still lacking any traction among people who are not white, he stands as their best chance to block Bernie, which is more important to them than beating Trump. 

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3 minutes ago, alincoln said:

If Joltin' Joe remains viable after today, we will witness one of the great political party civil wars in American history.  Unparalleled frothing of mouths 

I think it depends on how he wins. I think joe is the guy who can beat trump, but he probably needs to find space in his admin for beto, Pete, warren, and then some other young people.  If he is passing the baton to a younger generation and maybe some more progressive ideas then You’ll probably see pelosi and some other statemen pass things along as well. This probably builds the party as long as the next generation doesn’t go crazy left extremely fast. With Bernie you’re going crazy left real fast and that will lose a lot of 50-75 year old voters. 

If Bernie loses at convention then its a war. BT says he’ll support any dem but his tone says he’s going to be a sore loser if Bernie doesn’t win. If Bernie loses because of superdelegates I guarantee Biden won’t get his vote. If that is the tone for 20% of bernies supporters then Biden can’t win. Which is why he needs the likes of warren in his campaign to hopefully soften the blow to the bro’s. On the other side, 20% or so of Dems say they don’t support a socialist candidate. That’s an immediate loser for Bernie in the general. That prolongs the party revolution another 4 years which might put 2024 in doubt and various congressional swings in doubt.

 

i supported trump early in the primary process because I knew he would destroy what was left of the Republican Party. That was my one and only goal. Everyone can bitch about the fallout That they like or don’t like but I was tired of shit like McCain claiming to know what was right and wrong. I wanted someone who hadn’t been in office for 30 years before to give me an opinion. Bernie will bern the party to the ground. If that’s what you want then vote for him but don’t expect him to win (I didn’t expect trump to win the general). Biden is certainly a gamble with progress. I think he does well if he starts unrolling his cabinet next week when warren drops out. 

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Joe Biden’s brain is clearly turning to mush. Everyone saw it and he was dead in the water. But he took an afternoon nap and had a debate where he was semi lucid and shouted a bit and it fired some people up. 

Now 2/3 of the Democratic Party has thrown its support behind a guy that will just get fucking murdered on a debate stage by trump because he’ll just fire lie after lie and old joe won’t be able to articulate that it’s all bullshit. Every mental lapse will get highlighted and broadcast across every battleground state. 

Bernie was the closest thing the dems have to a fighting chance against what should be the easiest presidential candidate to defeat in decades and they are going to blow it for a second time. Not because Bernie is a great candidate (he’s just a bit too extreme for my taste with the forcing companies to shift 20% ownership to employees and immediate fracking ban, but other than that he’s a good candidate), but because he’s clearly the only one that has a chance of beating trump. 

every single demographic except uneducated rural white people has been shifting away from the GOP, and the dems are gonna blow it for a second time. 

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I’ve been advocating that this country needs a viable 3rd party more than ever and two old men, one senile and one a con man might be the thing to actually do it. 

I thought the GOP was going to be the party that cracked first after trump either lost this time or after his second term, but the dems are well on their way to splintering first.  

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11 minutes ago, alincoln said:

His administration would be Obama Part II though.  He would also definitely put Obama on the SC

Yes Obama part 2.  No, Obama won't get a SCOTUS nomination. Also, if Biden wins the nomination, there will be no civil war in the party. Bernie will drop out of it the same way he dropped in. He won't be a 2024 candidate. Any progressive that runs in 2024 will have been in the party for their whole career. The Bernie cultists will go with whoever the progressive candidate is, but won't be as tied to the cult of the individual as they are now.  

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1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

I'm still not even sure what Joe Bidens big ideas are...like what would I be voting for outside of not Trump?

Isn’t that enough? He’s not my choice today but there is a lot of merit to simply restoring a normal level of political discourse from the White House. If he accomplishes nothing in four years it’ll be a huge victory to simply not have hourly rage tweets and blatant outright lies both serious and trivial from the highest office. And to stop with the xenophobia over Mexicans,immigrants, and “others,” insults towards the handicapped an early heroes, restore respect for the free press, need I go on? An occasional slip of the tongue from ‘ol Uncle Joe would be a breath of fresh air by comparison.

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6 minutes ago, heso said:

I’ve been advocating that this country needs a viable 3rd party more than ever and two old men, one senile and one a con man might be the thing to actually do it. 

I thought the GOP was going to be the party that cracked first after trump either lost this time or after his second term, but the dems are well on their way to splintering first.  

The GOP did crack first. They went all Trump. Centrist Pubs moved to the Dem party. The Dems will first get bigger and then split in two. 4 parties would be ideal. 

1. Trump. Hate minorities, gay people, and poor people - all tax money to the rich and corporations.

2. Old GOP. Hate minorities and gay people being around - some tax money to poor people, but mostly its just for the rich.

3. Old Dem. Like minorities and gay people being around - still, other than some token welfare, they only get tax money if they are rich or a corporation.

4. New Dem.  Like minorities and gay people around - tax money should go toward supporting the people.

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11 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

The GOP did crack first. They went all Trump. Centrist Pubs moved to the Dem party. The Dems will first get bigger and then split in two. 4 parties would be ideal. 

1. Trump. Hate minorities, gay people, and poor people - all tax money to the rich and corporations.

2. Old GOP. Hate minorities and gay people being around - some tax money to poor people, but mostly its just for the rich.

3. Old Dem. Like minorities and gay people being around - still, other than some token welfare, they only get tax money if they are rich or a corporation.

4. New Dem.  Like minorities and gay people around - tax money should go toward supporting the people.

I also saw this post on facebook this morning

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49 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

That's the part I disagree with. I think Sanders beats Trump more easily than Biden. 

What is that based on?  You’re data-driven.  The polling data shows Biden with a bigger lead over Trump in national polls and (more importantly) a recent NBC poll showed Biden mopped the floor with Trump in battleground states whereas Bernie was in a dead heat.  

 

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59 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

That's the part I disagree with. I think Sanders beats Trump more easily than Biden. 

Trump won in 2016 because he swept the midwest - Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan.  In those states, do you really think a self-described socialist who looks and acts like Dr. Emmett Brown and has had a recent heart attack has a better chance of beating Trump than Good Ol' Joe?  I'm not buying it.  It's all about the map in 2020.  

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8 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

What is that based on?  You’re data-driven.  The polling data shows Biden with a bigger lead over Trump in national polls and (more importantly) a recent NBC poll showed Biden mopped the floor with Trump in battleground states whereas Bernie was in a dead heat.  

 

And that is before the GOP machine even begins rolling against Sanders.  

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26 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

The GOP did crack first. They went all Trump. Centrist Pubs moved to the Dem party. The Dems will first get bigger and then split in two. 4 parties would be ideal. 

1. Trump. Hate minorities, gay people, and poor people - all tax money to the rich and corporations.

2. Old GOP. Hate minorities and gay people being around - some tax money to poor people, but mostly its just for the rich.

3. Old Dem. Like minorities and gay people being around - still, other than some token welfare, they only get tax money if they are rich or a corporation.

4. New Dem.  Like minorities and gay people around - tax money should go toward supporting the people.

The GOP didn’t crack. They solidified around trump because he delivered what no one else could. He brought xenophobia for the racists, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation for business owners, a complete spreading of our country’s legs for anyone who paid enough to pillage it, was willing to look the other way on the rampant corruption in predatory for-profit education, an increase in military spending, a claim that he would stop the endless wars, conservative Supreme Court justices for the actual conservatives. Millions of people gave away the republic to the orange god because he brought together a group of voting blocs that had nothing in common, and in many cases opposing interests, all in the name of owning the libs. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

Ah shit.. I just got back from the polls (community club house).. My wife and I voted for Bernie.. did we steer our fellow Virginians and Americans wrong?

You fool. You’ve killed us all!

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10 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Trump won in 2016 because he swept the midwest - Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan.  In those states, do you really think a self-described socialist who looks and acts like Dr. Emmett Brown and has had a recent heart attack has a better chance of beating Trump than Good Ol' Joe?  I'm not buying it.  It's all about the map in 2020.  

Yep.  Running as a socialist in 2020 against an incumbent while the economy is fine....blow out. 

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21 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

What is that based on?  You’re data-driven.  The polling data shows Biden with a bigger lead over Trump in national polls and (more importantly) a recent NBC poll showed Biden mopped the floor with Trump in battleground states whereas Bernie was in a dead heat.  

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/michigan/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/wisconsin/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/pennsylvania/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/ohio/ - Nothing even close to recent but Sanders better than Biden
RCP has Sanders +5.3 on Trump in Michigan. Biden is +5.2.
In Wisconsin it's Trump +1.0 over Sanders but +1.7 over Biden.
Sanders +3.0 in Pennsylvania. Biden also +3.0.

To be honest, I'm the one who is wondering where this narrative that the data shows Biden outperforming Sanders versus Trump in battleground states is coming from. But wait! There's more!

10 minutes ago, alincoln said:

And that is before the GOP machine even begins rolling against Sanders.  

That's already baked in. He's already got a big SOCIALIST tattoo on his forehead to the people that the GOP effectively scares with their messaging. It's already done. He can't get more socialist than socialist.

But Biden is about to get trucked. There will be "Progressives against Biden" PACs that form and are actually run by GOP operatives that point out all the regressive policies Biden has championed. Biden loses the vote of women who hate Trump's creepiness as soon as all of Biden's creepy touching and statements get played on air non-stop for months. Hell, Biden can't even attack Trump on Social Security cuts without questionable statements from his past coming out. And I haven't even mentioned the Hunter Biden thing that will get the Trump supporters frothing at the mouth to vote against him.

The polls I just linked have way more room to get worse for Biden than they do for Sanders.

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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/michigan/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/wisconsin/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/pennsylvania/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/ohio/ - Nothing even close to recent but Sanders better than Biden
RCP has Sanders +5.3 on Trump in Michigan. Biden is +5.2.
In Wisconsin it's Trump +1.0 over Sanders but +1.7 over Biden.
Sanders +3.0 in Pennsylvania. Biden also +3.0.

To be honest, I'm the one who is wondering where this narrative that the data shows Biden outperforming Sanders versus Trump in battleground states is coming from. But wait! There's more!

That's already baked in. He's already got a big SOCIALIST tattoo on his forehead to the people that the GOP effectively scares with their messaging. It's already done. He can't get more socialist than socialist.

But Biden is about to get trucked. There will be "Progressives against Biden" PACs that form and are actually run by GOP operatives that point out all the regressive policies Biden has championed. Biden loses the vote of women who hate Trump's creepiness as soon as all of Biden's creepy touching and statements get played on air non-stop for months. Hell, Biden can't even attack Trump on Social Security cuts without questionable statements from his past coming out. And I haven't even mentioned the Hunter Biden thing that will get the Trump supporters frothing at the mouth to vote against him.

The polls I just linked have way more room to get worse for Biden than they do for Sanders.

Fucking hell.. somehow the dems are gonnna fuck this up again.  

brb, gotta go donate to Bernie again.

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16 minutes ago, heso said:

The GOP didn’t crack. They solidified around trump because he delivered what no one else could. He brought xenophobia for the racists, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation for business owners, a complete spreading of our country’s legs for anyone who paid enough to pillage it, was willing to look the other way on the rampant corruption in predatory for-profit education, an increase in military spending, a claim that he would stop the endless wars, conservative Supreme Court justices for the actual conservatives. Millions of people gave away the republic to the orange god because he brought together a group of voting blocs that had nothing in common, and in many cases opposing interests, all in the name of owning the 

They cracked. Independents now outnumber registered Republicans

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26 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Trump won in 2016 because he swept the midwest - Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan.  In those states, do you really think a self-described socialist who looks and acts like Dr. Emmett Brown and has had a recent heart attack has a better chance of beating Trump than Good Ol' Joe?  I'm not buying it.  It's all about the map in 2020.  

It's a very interesting story, Future Boy.

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4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/michigan/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/wisconsin/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/pennsylvania/ - Sanders better than Biden
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/ohio/ - Nothing even close to recent but Sanders better than Biden
RCP has Sanders +5.3 on Trump in Michigan. Biden is +5.2.
In Wisconsin it's Trump +1.0 over Sanders but +1.7 over Biden.
Sanders +3.0 in Pennsylvania. Biden also +3.0.

To be honest, I'm the one who is wondering where this narrative that the data shows Biden outperforming Sanders versus Trump in battleground states is coming from. But wait! There's more!

That's already baked in. He's already got a big SOCIALIST tattoo on his forehead to the people that the GOP effectively scares with their messaging. It's already done. He can't get more socialist than socialist.

But Biden is about to get trucked. There will be "Progressives against Biden" PACs that form and are actually run by GOP operatives that point out all the regressive policies Biden has championed. Biden loses the vote of women who hate Trump's creepiness as soon as all of Biden's creepy touching and statements get played on air non-stop for months. Hell, Biden can't even attack Trump on Social Security cuts without questionable statements from his past coming out. And I haven't even mentioned the Hunter Biden thing that will get the Trump supporters frothing at the mouth to vote against him.

The polls I just linked have way more room to get worse for Biden than they do for Sanders.

The narrative that Joe can beat Trump but Bernie cannot has been completely fabricated by the left media. Medicare for all and a fracking ban both poll above 50% in Pennsylvania. 

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

That's the part I disagree with. I think Sanders beats Trump more easily than Biden. 

Well, I think you're wrong based on the Electoral College.  I think Sanders runs up the score on Trump in solidly Democratic states in a way that Biden doesn't do.  But I think he loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin (the analyses to which you point predates Biden's consolidation of the center-left lane).  And I think he doesn't have a prayer in Texas or Arizona or Florida.  But who knows--maybe you're right.

But that's maybe not the most important part.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose the House.  We won 40 House seats in 2018, most of which voted for Trump in 2016.  They are disproportionately suburban, college-educated districts--precisely the types of districts that have been voting for Buttigieg or Warren or Klobuchar over Sanders.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose a lot of those seats (and some others).

And if we nominate Sanders, forget about retaking the Senate.  Kelly may win, because he's a great candidate.  Cory Gardner will probably still lose because Colorado is now just that Democratic.  But Maine?  North Carolina?  Iowa?  Alabama?  Forget it.

And also forget taking the Texas House.  So that means the Republicans get to fix their gerrymander in Texas, which we all know is now broken.  So Colin Allred is going to get gerrymandered out of his seat, as is Lizzie Fletcher, in all likelihood.

And look further down the ballot--we have four candidates up for Texas Supreme Court.  They're good candidates.  They have a chance with a strong Democratic turnout (and a MAGAt turnout that only votes for their orange god and doesn't scroll down the ballot in this new no-straight-ticket environment).  A Sanders nomination would kill them.

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1 hour ago, heso said:

Joe Biden’s brain is clearly turning to mush. Everyone saw it and he was dead in the water. But he took an afternoon nap and had a debate where he was semi lucid and shouted a bit and it fired some people up. 

Now 2/3 of the Democratic Party has thrown its support behind a guy that will just get fucking murdered on a debate stage by trump because he’ll just fire lie after lie and old joe won’t be able to articulate that it’s all bullshit. Every mental lapse will get highlighted and broadcast across every battleground state. 

Bernie was the closest thing the dems have to a fighting chance against what should be the easiest presidential candidate to defeat in decades and they are going to blow it for a second time. Not because Bernie is a great candidate (he’s just a bit too extreme for my taste with the forcing companies to shift 20% ownership to employees and immediate fracking ban, but other than that he’s a good candidate), but because he’s clearly the only one that has a chance of beating trump. 

every single demographic except uneducated rural white people has been shifting away from the GOP, and the dems are gonna blow it for a second time. 

Have you heard trump speak lately? He’s not murdering anyone on the debate stage. I’ll be surprised if he even shows up. Won’t matter anyway. 

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31 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Trump won in 2016 because he swept the midwest - Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan.  In those states, do you really think a self-described socialist who looks and acts like Dr. Emmett Brown and has had a recent heart attack has a better chance of beating Trump than Good Ol' Joe?  I'm not buying it.  It's all about the map in 2020.  

Donald won in 2016 because his opponent was a bland moderate who nobody in the Dem base had any excitement over. But the posters on this board who are actually, truly suggesting they would vote for kids in cages over SoCiaLisM!! are more important to court than the base. 

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8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, I think you're wrong based on the Electoral College.  I think Sanders runs up the score on Trump in solidly Democratic states in a way that Biden doesn't do.  But I think he loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin (the analyses to which you point predates Biden's consolidation of the center-left lane).  And I think he doesn't have a prayer in Texas or Arizona or Florida.  But who knows--maybe you're right.

But that's maybe not the most important part.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose the House.  We won 40 House seats in 2018, most of which voted for Trump in 2016.  They are disproportionately suburban, college-educated districts--precisely the types of districts that have been voting for Buttigieg or Warren or Klobuchar over Sanders.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose a lot of those seats (and some others).

And if we nominate Sanders, forget about retaking the Senate.  Kelly may win, because he's a great candidate.  Cory Gardner will probably still lose because Colorado is now just that Democratic.  But Maine?  North Carolina?  Iowa?  Alabama?  Forget it.

And also forget taking the Texas House.  So that means the Republicans get to fix their gerrymander in Texas, which we all know is now broken.  So Colin Allred is going to get gerrymandered out of his seat, as is Lizzie Fletcher, in all likelihood.

And look further down the ballot--we have four candidates up for Texas Supreme Court.  They're good candidates.  They have a chance with a strong Democratic turnout (and a MAGAt turnout that only votes for their orange god and doesn't scroll down the ballot in this new no-straight-ticket environment).  A Sanders nomination would kill them.

Isn't Bernie leading Joe in Michigan and Pennsylvania? And who are these people that would vote for Biden, but if Bernie is at the top, they will vote R from the top to the bottom of the ballot? Smells like bullshit

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1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1229888815705227265

So you have one tweet of one NBC poll taken after Trump's messaging machine laid off of Biden for a month when he looked like he'd lost the nomination? I'll stick with the larger data set.

 

10 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, I think you're wrong based on the Electoral College.  I think Sanders runs up the score on Trump in solidly Democratic states in a way that Biden doesn't do.  But I think he loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin (the analyses to which you point predates Biden's consolidation of the center-left lane).  And I think he doesn't have a prayer in Texas or Arizona or Florida.  But who knows--maybe you're right.

But that's maybe not the most important part.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose the House.  We won 40 House seats in 2018, most of which voted for Trump in 2016.  They are disproportionately suburban, college-educated districts--precisely the types of districts that have been voting for Buttigieg or Warren or Klobuchar over Sanders.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose a lot of those seats (and some others).

And if we nominate Sanders, forget about retaking the Senate.  Kelly may win, because he's a great candidate.  Cory Gardner will probably still lose because Colorado is now just that Democratic.  But Maine?  North Carolina?  Iowa?  Alabama?  Forget it.

And also forget taking the Texas House.  So that means the Republicans get to fix their gerrymander in Texas, which we all know is now broken.  So Colin Allred is going to get gerrymandered out of his seat, as is Lizzie Fletcher, in all likelihood.

And look further down the ballot--we have four candidates up for Texas Supreme Court.  They're good candidates.  They have a chance with a strong Democratic turnout (and a MAGAt turnout that only votes for their orange god and doesn't scroll down the ballot in this new no-straight-ticket environment).  A Sanders nomination would kill them.

I think this is overblown hysteria, to be honest. You are viewing only the negatives and not the positives of a Sanders nomination in terms of getting out the vote. And that goes back to my original point. Democrats and liberals want to vote for something, not against something. The GOP base could be convinced to hate a ham sandwich and show up in droves to vote against it. They will turn out to vote against Biden just as much as against Sanders by the time November rolls around.

The question is which candidate will get the liberal vote to the polls.

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15 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, I think you're wrong based on the Electoral College.  I think Sanders runs up the score on Trump in solidly Democratic states in a way that Biden doesn't do.  But I think he loses Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin (the analyses to which you point predates Biden's consolidation of the center-left lane).  And I think he doesn't have a prayer in Texas or Arizona or Florida.  But who knows--maybe you're right.

But that's maybe not the most important part.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose the House.  We won 40 House seats in 2018, most of which voted for Trump in 2016.  They are disproportionately suburban, college-educated districts--precisely the types of districts that have been voting for Buttigieg or Warren or Klobuchar over Sanders.  If we nominate Sanders, we will lose a lot of those seats (and some others).

And if we nominate Sanders, forget about retaking the Senate.  Kelly may win, because he's a great candidate.  Cory Gardner will probably still lose because Colorado is now just that Democratic.  But Maine?  North Carolina?  Iowa?  Alabama?  Forget it.

And also forget taking the Texas House.  So that means the Republicans get to fix their gerrymander in Texas, which we all know is now broken.  So Colin Allred is going to get gerrymandered out of his seat, as is Lizzie Fletcher, in all likelihood.

And look further down the ballot--we have four candidates up for Texas Supreme Court.  They're good candidates.  They have a chance with a strong Democratic turnout (and a MAGAt turnout that only votes for their orange god and doesn't scroll down the ballot in this new no-straight-ticket environment).  A Sanders nomination would kill them.

I think Bernie brings Texas and Georgia more into play than Biden simply on the MFA issue if the dems united behind it and promoted it properly. Texas is last in the country in uninsured rate, GA is 48th. Both states are turning bluer with every new voter registration. 

You would probably even swing some of the fringe mags hats that would vote for their own healthcare but act like they voted for Trump. 

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Isn't Bernie leading Joe in Michigan and Pennsylvania? And who are these people that would vote for Biden, but if Bernie is at the top, they will vote R from the top to the bottom of the ballot? Smells like bullshit

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/398580-poll-majority-of-americans-say-the-would-not-vote-for-a
 

 

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They cracked. Independents now outnumber registered Republicans

Did you watch any of the impeachment proceedings? They haven’t cracked. They lost some of their educated centrists. 

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Also, what the fuck is this bullshit with Biden appearing on the second page of the ballot?  You have to hit “More” on the first page to find him.  I call shenanigans.  


If you’re in Texas... candidate order is randomly drawn and varies by county. Assuming all the machines are the same, even if your preferred candidate is on the first screen, you are not allowed to make a selection without clicking the “more” button. My vote was for Warren, she was on the first screen, but when I tried to select her and move on, I got a message that said something like “You must view all pages before you can make your selection.” So, no shenanigans.
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Hank Scorpio

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I think it’s cool how many liberals are supporting Biden not out of any belief in his policies or abilities but as a fuck you to the people on the internet who say mean things. It’s almost like the Republicans who vote for and support Trump solely because “lol libtard tears.” So let’s get this party started. Who cares if we keep our decaying healthcare system as it is systematically picked apart by Republicans so that millions lose coverage and keep our quest for endless war going, Bernieweedbro69 who responded to one my my tweets with “ok boomer” has lost, so therefore I win. 

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