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3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

What a pointless campaign.

She won't win, but she has something real to say that can be highlighted by her campaign.  That isn't pointless.  Bernie didn't think he was going to win either but he saw an opportunity to get his issues out there.  Conversely, Klobuchar has absolutely nothing substantive to say and is running on her "electability." 

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McClatchy interviewed 31 Democratic strategists — pollsters, opposition research experts, media consultants, ex-party officials, and communications specialists — from across the country about a potential Biden campaign. Nine agreed to speak on the record; all others quoted anonymously do not plan to be affiliated with any candidate running in the presidential primary.

Strikingly, these conversations yielded a similar view: The Democratic political community is more broadly and deeply pessimistic about Biden’s potential candidacy than is commonly known. While these strategists said they respect Biden, they cited significant disadvantages for his campaign — from the increasingly liberal and non-white Democratic electorate to policy baggage from his years in the Senate and a field of rivals that includes new, fresh-faced candidates.

“Among political professionals, there are deep concerns because we know the history,” said a Pennsylvania-based Democratic strategist, granted anonymity to speak candidly about a party elder. “We have reason to be skeptical of the hype.”

“We heard it with Hillary, and we saw it happened,” the source added. “And there’s a lot of reason to think he would wind up a significantly weaker candidate than Hillary.”

Many of these strategists say that if Biden did win the nomination, they don’t think he would have a better chance of defeating Donald Trump than other top-tier contenders such as Kamala Harris or Kirsten Gillibrand — disputing the claim from many Biden supporters that he represents the safe choice in an election when rank-and-file voters are desperate to win back the White House.

Let’s be honest: He’s an older white guy,” said Jim Cauley, a longtime Kentucky-based Democratic strategist. “Does he connect with the base?”

Cauley considers Biden one of a handful of leading contenders and, indeed, many of those interviewed say the one-time senator still has a chance to win the nomination and would make for a strong general election foe for Trump by potential luring centrist voters and even some Republicans to vote Democratic.

But for a candidate who might expect to enter the race as the favorite, the skepticism could be a wake-up call — particularly coming from a community of men and women that should be naturally more optimistic about a longtime party leader.

“I do think the conversation about him being the front-runner is overhyped, frankly,” said Symone Sanders, a Democratic strategist who said she still considers a Biden candidacy “formidable.” “Anyone who is frontrunner a year out from Iowa, a year out from South Carolina, is a front-runner because of name identification.”

Even if he lacks support from strategists, Biden has the encouragement of other members of the Democratic establishment, including Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina (who has said the statewould be Biden’s to lose) and members of the U.S. Senate. The one-time senator’s supporters dispute that he would enter as anything but a front-runner.

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It's feeling more and more like we may be past the ability to play for the center.  We may be fully into "us vs them" territory and we may never recover.

The center should be educated never placated.  

You want to win over the center?  Successfully explain to them why your ideas are in their interests and objectively better for society than the opposition.  Steer the narrative instead of reflexively responding to the hollow rhetoric on the right.  

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It's feeling more and more like we may be past the ability to play for the center.  We may be fully into "us vs them" territory and we may never recover.

Preston Brooks beat Charles Sumner nearly to death with a cane on the Senate floor in 1856. Sumner was trapped from escape and self-defense by the desk he was sitting in. As Brooks beat the helpless Senator, other Southern Congressmen held back anyone who tried to interfere.

The past you're imagining has literally never existed.

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Preston Brooks beat Charles Sumner nearly to death with a cane on the Senate floor in 1856. Sumner was trapped from escape and self-defense by the desk he was sitting in. As Brooks beat the helpless Senator, other Southern Congressmen held back anyone who tried to interfere.

The past you're imagining has literally never existed.

*imagines Duckworth beating the shit out of Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor*

Yes...

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

McClatchy interviewed 31 Democratic strategists — pollsters, opposition research experts, media consultants, ex-party officials, and communications specialists — from across the country about a potential Biden campaign. Nine agreed to speak on the record; all others quoted anonymously do not plan to be affiliated with any candidate running in the presidential primary.

Strikingly, these conversations yielded a similar view: The Democratic political community is more broadly and deeply pessimistic about Biden’s potential candidacy than is commonly known. While these strategists said they respect Biden, they cited significant disadvantages for his campaign — from the increasingly liberal and non-white Democratic electorate to policy baggage from his years in the Senate and a field of rivals that includes new, fresh-faced candidates.

“Among political professionals, there are deep concerns because we know the history,” said a Pennsylvania-based Democratic strategist, granted anonymity to speak candidly about a party elder. “We have reason to be skeptical of the hype.”

“We heard it with Hillary, and we saw it happened,” the source added. “And there’s a lot of reason to think he would wind up a significantly weaker candidate than Hillary.”

Many of these strategists say that if Biden did win the nomination, they don’t think he would have a better chance of defeating Donald Trump than other top-tier contenders such as Kamala Harris or Kirsten Gillibrand — disputing the claim from many Biden supporters that he represents the safe choice in an election when rank-and-file voters are desperate to win back the White House.

Let’s be honest: He’s an older white guy,” said Jim Cauley, a longtime Kentucky-based Democratic strategist. “Does he connect with the base?”

Cauley considers Biden one of a handful of leading contenders and, indeed, many of those interviewed say the one-time senator still has a chance to win the nomination and would make for a strong general election foe for Trump by potential luring centrist voters and even some Republicans to vote Democratic.

But for a candidate who might expect to enter the race as the favorite, the skepticism could be a wake-up call — particularly coming from a community of men and women that should be naturally more optimistic about a longtime party leader.

“I do think the conversation about him being the front-runner is overhyped, frankly,” said Symone Sanders, a Democratic strategist who said she still considers a Biden candidacy “formidable.” “Anyone who is frontrunner a year out from Iowa, a year out from South Carolina, is a front-runner because of name identification.”

Even if he lacks support from strategists, Biden has the encouragement of other members of the Democratic establishment, including Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina (who has said the statewould be Biden’s to lose) and members of the U.S. Senate. The one-time senator’s supporters dispute that he would enter as anything but a front-runner.

That article is complete nonsense. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-democrat-joe-biden-poll-2020-1317446%3famp=1

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36 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

That article is complete nonsense. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-democrat-joe-biden-poll-2020-1317446%3famp=1

Yep.  Biden would win Hillary’s states, and easily take at least two of WI, PA, and MI, and probably AZ.  

Too many people are deliberately ignoring the fact that just a few months ago, the GOP lost WI, MI, PA, and AZ, and damn near lost Florida.   Since then, the GOP pulled some shitty stunts in the first three of those states that left everybody pissed off, and overall, have done nothing to help themselves retake those states, and solidify Florida. 

And another shutdown would probably end Florida for them.  Way too many federal employees and family there.  

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43 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

That article is complete nonsense. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-democrat-joe-biden-poll-2020-1317446%3famp=1

That’s your counter argument?  Did you even read the reasoning? 

The article isn’t nonsense, it’s acknowledging the realities of the way the political winds are blowing.  

Yeah, Biden would probably defeat Trump by the widest margin today and Hillary would have landslided Trump in February of 2015. 

You Biden bros are a trip. 

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10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yep.  Biden would win Hillary’s states, and easily take at least two of WI, PA, and MI, and probably AZ.  

Too many people are deliberately ignoring the fact that just a few months ago, the GOP lost WI, MI, PA, and AZ, and damn near lost Florida.   Since then, the GOP pulled some shitty stunts in the first three of those states that left everybody pissed off, and overall, have done nothing to help themselves retake those states, and solidify Florida. 

And another shutdown would probably end Florida for them.  Way too many federal employees and family there.  

I think GOP loses the first 4, but I FL is more Trumpian, IMO.  You've got a R governor, a huge WT population with ever increasing persecution complex (based on people like me calling them WT), and a super old white population.  I think they still trend that Republican despite the PR migration.  I don't think the felon voting will significantly favor dems.  I think first time voters are rare so few will vote anyway, and we need to remember a large number of them will be white and uneducated.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/11/2/18049510/felon-voting-rights-amendment-4-florida

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I think GOP loses the first 4, but I FL is more Trumpian, IMO.  You've got a R governor, a huge WT population with ever increasing persecution complex (based on people like me calling them WT), and a super old white population.  I think they still trend that Republican despite the PR migration.  I don't think the felon voting will significantly favor dems.  I think first time voters are rare so few will vote anyway, and we need to remember a large number of them will be white and uneducated.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/11/2/18049510/felon-voting-rights-amendment-4-florida

Meh. 

Democrats should be making plays for AZ and NC before Florida - I'm tired of that state not coming through when needed.  It's a wash anyhow - Florida has 29, NC and AZ have 26 combined.  Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania have 46 right there. 

Plus with the 2020 census due to shake up the 2024 Electoral College allocation, those 3 midwestern states in D hands only give them 274 (down from 278) starting in 2024.  You need to start laying the groundwork for stealing NC, AZ and possibly GA away and putting elections out of reach, because Florida and Texas are both gaining in 2024.

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47 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

That’s your counter argument?  Did you even read the reasoning? 

The article isn’t nonsense, it’s acknowledging the realities of the way the political winds are blowing.  

Yeah, Biden would probably defeat Trump by the widest margin today and Hillary would have landslided Trump in February of 2015. 

You Biden bros are a trip. 

Yes I did read the articles and its “reasoning.” Also I’m not a “Biden bros” whatever the hell that bullshit phrase means.

I’m interested in getting president shitstain out of office. I’m surprised you don’t. 

Do I really need to link for you the numerous articles showing that Biden has the best chance of defeating trump? Poll after poll show he has the best chance, with Warren the worst, yet you continually denigrate Biden and pump up Warren. To what end? A repeat of 2016? 

That article is simply wishful thinking at best, political slant crap at worst.

Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio all voted for Obama (twice), then turned around and all voted for trump. If you don’t think it can happen again you are whistling past the graveyard. 

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Yes I did read the articles and its “reasoning.” Also I’m not a “Biden bros” whatever the hell that bullshit phrase means.

I’m interested in getting president shitstain out of office. I’m surprised you don’t. 

Do I really need to link for you the numerous articles showing that Biden has the best chance of defeating trump? Poll after poll show he has the best chance, with Warren the worst, yet you continually denigrate Biden and pump up Warren. To what end? A repeat of 2016? 

That article is simply wishful thinking at best, political slant crap at worst.

Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio all voted for Obama (twice), then turned around and all voted for trump. If you don’t think it can happen again you are whistling past the graveyard. 

I want the best president.  You’ve obviously already made some calculation that unless Biden is the nominee, Trump gets a second term. 

I find that assertion ludicrous and the kind of pundit bullshit people buy into that keeps this country and our citizens from reaching their full potential. 

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I want the best president.  You’ve obviously already made the conclusion that unless Biden is the nominee, Trump gets a second term. 

I find that assertion ludicrous and the kind of pundit bullshit people buy into that keeps this country and our citizens from reaching their full potential. 

No I didn’t make that conclusion and you saying I did means you are being disingenuous.

I have said repeatedly that Biden has the best chance of winning, not that anyone else can’t win. Personally I dont think another 4 more years of trump is worth the risk to get the “best” president, as if such a thing actually existed.  Don’t act like you don’t know the difference. 

You keep arguing that the polls will eventually change. How about you check back with that argument when they actually do so I can then agree with you?

As for reaching our “full potential,” we can ultimately do that with the next dem president or the one after. If Trump get’s in office again there may not be a country left to reach for anything at all. 

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26 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

No I didn’t make that conclusion and you saying I did means you are being disingenuous.

I have said repeatedly that Biden has the best chance of winning, not that anyone else can’t win. Personally I dont think another 4 more years of trump is worth the risk to get the “best” president, as if such a thing actually existed.  Don’t act like you don’t know the difference. 

You keep arguing that the polls will eventually change. How about you check back with that argument when they actually do so I can then agree with you?

As for reaching our “full potential,” we can ultimately do that with the next dem president or the one after. If Trump get’s in office again there may not be a country left to reach for anything at all. 

I guess I’m just not as afraid of Trump as you are.  If Trump gets re-elected we will deserve him and the consequences that come with it.

The country is only as good as its citizens and judging by the current president, we suck plenty. Joe Biden ain’t going to fix that and neither will Elizabeth Warren.  However I believe one sets the country on a much better path than the other. 

Warren is running on big structural change and if Trump’s election isn’t evidence enough that big structural change is not only desired but necessary, I don’t know what to tell you.

Sure, Biden would be fine and more palatable for most people but he’s puts us only an election or two away from another Trump or worse.  He is another business as usual democrat.  Weak politicians like Biden, Obama, and the Clintons were a big part of the problem that led us to Trump. 

JMO

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Preston Brooks beat Charles Sumner nearly to death with a cane on the Senate floor in 1856. Sumner was trapped from escape and self-defense by the desk he was sitting in. As Brooks beat the helpless Senator, other Southern Congressmen held back anyone who tried to interfere.

The past you're imagining has literally never existed.

No holds barred political cage match has much entertainment potential. WE should go there. 

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That article acknowledges that RIGHT NOW Biden is polling the best against Trump and RIGHT NOW on paper has the best chance to beat Trump.

 

What the Democratic political operatives interviewed are cautioning is that 1 - Hillary has the same kind of numbers, so don’t fall for that again, 2 - Biden has a very long record of supporting things that are seen as anathema now to Democrat primary voters (1990 crime bill, his questioning of Anita Hill etc.) that haven’t really been examined because he’s not a candidate yet, and 3 - Biden has a history of gaffes and saying really dumb shit.

 

So, yes, right now on paper, Joe Biden looks to be the vaccine for the disease that is Donald Trump, but don’t rush to stock the pharmacies with it just yet because it hasn’t cleared clinical trials yet.

 

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I guess I’m just not as afraid of Trump as you are.  If Trump gets re-elected we will deserve him and the consequences that come with it.

The country is only as good as its citizens and judging by the current president, we suck plenty. Joe Biden ain’t going to fix that and neither will Elizabeth Warren.  However I believe one sets the country on a much better path than the other. 

Warren is running on big structural change and if Trump’s election isn’t evidence enough that big structural change is not only desired but necessary, I don’t know what to tell you.

Sure, Biden would be fine and more palatable for most people but he’s puts us only an election or two away from another Trump or worse.  He is another business as usual democrat.  Weak politicians like Biden, Obama, and the Clintons were a big part of the problem that led us to Trump. 

JMO

You might like her anti-Wall Street rhetoric, but Elizabeth Warren is unelectable after that Native American bullshit. She isn't winning over any Midwest white voters.

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