2020 Democratic Nominee

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Why do you engage this guy?  He has zero idea how anything regarding capitalism works including rural to urban migration.  I don't have a big problem with it because he's all about eliminating the haves and giving to the have nots...a noble cause that will, literally, never work.  But to engage him in this manner just makes you look like foolish too. 

Because he is a politically active liberal who needs to get behind universal basic income.  I figure if I lead the horse to water enough times, eventually it will drink.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

A bunch of people are saying they got this email.

I have ZERO reason to believe it is fake.

 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

2 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Because he is a politically active liberal who needs to get behind universal basic income.  I figure if I lead the horse to water enough times, eventually it will drink.

No, it will take a dump and try to kick you in.  Be careful. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

13 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

"The "somebody else" is the people already living there, empowered by public investment."Tell me.  What if that "somebody else" in town 1 wants to take advantage of your public investment in a town that isn't theirs?  Do you open up a job for them in town 2 or do they have to wait in line behind town 2 residents for a potential job?  What if everyone in town 1 wants to move to town 2?  Do you close down your operations in town 1 and move them all to town 2?

If the people in Town 1 don't want to be there, then they can leave. I have no idea what "operations" or jobs you're talking about, specifically, so I can't really address the things you fabricate in your paranoid, angry mind palace.

 

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So again, how can you hire more teachers when the teacher jobs you already have are sitting there vacant? 

- higher wages
- better local services
- housing and relocation services
- loans for local business

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Now maybe you can train that single mom with a drug problem to fill that teaching vacancy. 

Hey, could you be a little more classist? I'm not getting high enough levels of it from you already, JD.

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You've also posted housing ideas where you provide housing for the existing poor in a municipality so that they don't get pushed out by gentrification.

Yes, one idea among many possible ideas depending on local needs and dynamics.

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Instead, we can give people basic income and in doing so, we give them mobility rather than the dead end housing and employment handcuffs you want to give them.

Am I against this? Hello?

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With basic income, if a few people want to live in a small town, they still can, and we don't need to try to force people from elsewhere to move there to train them for jobs we don't need.

Where do you find the concept of "force" anywhere in anything I've said?

Edited March 6, 2019 by bad_teammate

[bad_teammate 13195]

lol love to high-five the multi-millionaire, anti-poor conservative to own the libs

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

I wish the Dems could get behind this guy instead of looneytunes grandpa or left's answer to dotard (ACO)...

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

lol love to high-five the multi-millionaire, anti-poor conservative to own the libs

Nah, I grew up a lot worse off than you and a fucking minority to boot.  So go fuck yourself acting like you know the life I lived or where I came from, calling me 'anti-poor'.  You insufferable piece of shit. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

I don't know about the life you lived before and I don't care. What I do know is what you say here, and I'm not impressed. Calling AOC the left's Trump kind of confirms it.

[Celery Man 20934]

Can we have a ubi thread or something. The right wing cowards have the AOC thread to ignore what they stand for and pick apart what they perceive as leftist lunacy, we could have a different thread for far left and center left/sane right people to talk about how they have been poorer or more small town than other people, and in here we could talk about that Oregon guy or whoever announces next or what kind of hot sauce Kamals uses as a photo op.

 

[Biff Tannen 45676]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Hey look at her being rational.  Points for her.

[Biff Tannen 45676]

51 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I wish the Dems could get behind this guy instead of looneytunes grandpa or left's answer to dotard (ACO)...

Hey, he's got my vote right now.

[Biff Tannen 45676]

13 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Can we have a ubi thread or something. The right wing cowards have the AOC thread to ignore what they stand for and pick apart what they perceive as leftist lunacy, we could have a different thread for far left and center left/sane right people to talk about how they have been poorer or more small town than other people, and in here we could talk about that Oregon guy or whoever announces next or what kind of hot sauce Kamals uses as a photo op.

 

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[Js1 85313]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Hey look at her being rational.  Points for her.

Good statement. Diversity of opinions, etc. waiting on a 2020er to say “fuck Israel and their bullshit” so I can vote for them 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

28 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I don't know about the life you lived before and I don't care. What I do know is what you say here, and I'm not impressed. Calling AOC the left's Trump kind of confirms it.

Why the fuck would I want to 'impress' you?  I actually don't come down on you too hard because you carry water for poor/underserved minorities and that's a noble cause but when you start to discuss economics, you make my head hurt.

AOC is very much exciting to those on the left because of the 'tears' she elicits on the right and the zingers.  She's not nearly as dumb or corrupt (she's not corrupt at all) as Trump but she gets under the skin of her opponents so she's loved.  That's not the path to success.  

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

If the people in Town 1 don't want to be there, then they can leave. I have no idea what "operations" or jobs you're talking about, specifically, so I can't really address the things you fabricate in your paranoid, angry mind palace.

 

- higher wages
- better local services
- housing and relocation services
- loans for local business

Hey, could you be a little more classist? I'm not getting high enough levels of it from you already, JD.

Yes, one idea among many possible ideas depending on local needs and dynamics.

Where do you find the concept of "force" anywhere in anything I've said?

That's because you don't understand market forces or the way in which your proposals influence them.  Market forces always exist.  They existed in the Soviet Union when the 101st most qualified guy hoping for 1 of 100 factory jobs was assigned to be a janitor.  Sucked for him, but we need janitors and nobody really wants to be one.  They existed on our prior thread when you were talking up the ridiculous "jobs guarantee" yet said you didn't want that Walmart job that pays 5x rent.  You wanted only the job you wanted and you wanted to be guaranteed it.  What you don't realize is that you are the 101st guy waiting for a factory job in the Soviet Union.  You aren't going to get to pick a guaranteed job.  You are going to be assigned one because if you were actually good at something, you wouldn't need a guarantee to find a job doing it.

So how can poor people in town 1 leave?  You provided the same investment and services in town 2 for existing poor people.  Their housing is completely occupied with their own residents, and their school now has a perfect student/teacher ratio.  In fact, there are now even 20 teachers in town 2 doing other jobs and waiting for another teaching job to open up.  The same is true of their local hospital and doctors.  The reopened auto plant has 1000 good paying jobs as well, and there are another 1000 town 2 residents who would like to work in the plant also.  With your small business loans, formerly poor town 2 residents have been opening loads of small businesses and main street is bustling. 

In town 1, you built identical housing stock, you upgraded the school and hospital, and you are now offering higher pay for teachers and doctors than you are offering in town 2.  You've trained a bunch of doctors and teachers, but they keep running off to town 2 after training.  You reopened the steel mill in town 1, and you have it fully staffed, but most of the workers there would prefer to assemble autos. 

For generations, anyone from town 1 who could move to town 2 did.  Now the rich can and will still do that, but your investment in town 2's poor has locked out town 1's poor from moving there.  Some town 1 residents have taken advantage of your small business loans, but find it difficult to stay open since town 1's middle class and wealthy residents continue to move to town 2.   Your programs have even exacerbated this.  The handful of new successful town 1 small businessmen have moved to town 2 to open up second stores.  Even though they are no longer town 1 residents, the continued operation of their stores makes it difficult for other town 1 residents to compete.  The monorail you built in town 1 looks awesome, but most of the time its empty.

In the end, all your plans lead to one place.  "This is town for townies.  Non-residents need not apply."   

Another problem is that you are entirely unaware of existing programs.  Nearly every state offers small business loans for the impoverished and underprivileged.  1000s of municipalities have programs that are essentially "relocate here, start a business, and we will give you loans and grants."  Rural towns already have teaching and healthcare vacancies and have the money to pay.

Edited March 7, 2019 by FondrenRoad

[Bama Chick 28596]

Anyone calling AOC the left’s Trump is someone not to be taken seriously.

There are multiple Democrats in both the House and Senate - Brian Schatz, Chris Murphy, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Adam Schiff, Ted Lieu, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer - who unleash zingers at Trump on Twitter on the regular.

Lots of them with more venom than AOC. She’s quite literally been in office for two fucking months while all those other folks have been around for years.

Yet for some reason she’s become the rallying cry for concern trolls to point to as the cautionary tale that democrats are lining up behind her as if she’s our Piped Piper. Our better looking, more palatable but just as terrible Trump stand in.

It’s a complete garbage bag full of utter bullshittery.

Physician, heal thyself.

[bad_teammate 13195]

56 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

That's because you don't understand market forces or the way in which your proposals influence them.  Market forces always exist.  They existed in the Soviet Union when the 101st most qualified guy hoping for 1 of 100 factory jobs was assigned to be a janitor.  Sucked for him, but we need janitors and nobody really wants to be one.  They existed on our prior thread when you were talking up the ridiculous "jobs guarantee" yet said you didn't want that Walmart job that pays 5x rent.  You wanted only the job you wanted and you wanted to be guaranteed it.  What you don't realize is that you are the 101st guy waiting for a factory job in the Soviet Union.  You aren't going to get to pick a guaranteed job.  You are going to be assigned one because if you were actually good at something, you wouldn't need a guarantee to find a job doing it.

So how can poor people in town 1 leave?  You provided the same investment and services in town 2 for existing poor people.  Their housing is completely occupied with their own residents, and their school now has a perfect student/teacher ratio.  In fact, there are now even 20 teachers in town 2 doing other jobs and waiting for another teaching job to open up.  The same is true of their local hospital and doctors.  The reopened auto plant has 1000 good paying jobs as well, and there are another 1000 town 2 residents who would like to work in the plant also.  With your small business loans, formerly poor town 2 residents have been opening loads of small businesses and main street is bustling. 

In town 1, you built identical housing stock, you upgraded the school and hospital, and you are now offering higher pay for teachers and doctors than you are offering in town 2.  You've trained a bunch of doctors and teachers, but they keep running off to town 2 after training.  You reopened the steel mill in town 1, and you have it fully staffed, but most of the workers there would prefer to assemble autos. 

For generations, anyone from town 1 who could move to town 2 did.  Now the rich can and will still do that, but your investment in town 2's poor has locked out town 1's poor from moving there.  Some town 1 residents have taken advantage of your small business loans, but find it difficult to stay open since town 1's middle class and wealthy residents continue to move to town 2.   Your programs have even exacerbated this.  The handful of new successful town 1 small businessmen have moved to town 2 to open up second stores.  Even though they are no longer town 1 residents, the continued operation of their stores makes it difficult for other town 1 residents to compete.  The monorail you built in town 1 looks awesome, but most of the time its empty.

In the end, all your plans lead to one place.  "This is town for townies.  Non-residents need not apply."   

Another problem is that you are entirely unaware of existing programs.  Nearly every state offers small business loans for the impoverished and underprivileged.  1000s of municipalities have programs that are essentially "relocate here, start a business, and we will give you loans and grants."  Rural towns already have teaching and healthcare vacancies and have the money to pay.

So that's a TON of words to avoid saying that I have never advocated forcing anyone to leave or stay. Cool, thanks man. Good rant, love all the strawmen you built.

 

[bad_teammate 13195]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

Can we have a ubi thread or something. The right wing cowards have the AOC thread to ignore what they stand for and pick apart what they perceive as leftist lunacy, we could have a different thread for far left and center left/sane right people to talk about how they have been poorer or more small town than other people, and in here we could talk about that Oregon guy or whoever announces next or what kind of hot sauce Kamals uses as a photo op.

 

Agreed. Sorry for participating in the derail.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

So that's a TON of words to avoid saying that I have never advocated forcing anyone to leave or stay. Cool, thanks man. Good rant, love all the strawmen you built.

 

Right. Thats because I never said you advocated directly for people to be stuck in one place.   Instead you know nothing about how markets work, and you advocate stupid positions that will result in people being stuck in place even more than they are now. 

But I do get that you really want every unicorn farm to be big enough to take every unicorn in the world, so every unicorn can live where it wants.  What you don't get is that it isn't possible, and that once we start building unicorn farms in all the towns, the market isn't going to allow for much if any movement between them. 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

20 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Anyone calling AOC the left’s Trump is someone not to be taken seriously.

There are multiple Democrats in both the House and Senate - Brian Schatz, Chris Murphy, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Adam Schiff, Ted Lieu, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer - who unleash zingers at Trump on Twitter on the regular.

Lots of them with more venom than AOC. She’s quite literally been in office for two fucking months while all those other folks have been around for years.

Yet for some reason she’s become the rallying cry for concern trolls to point to as the cautionary tale that democrats are lining up behind her as if she’s our Piped Piper. Our better looking, more palatable but just as terrible Trump stand in.

It’s a complete garbage bag full of utter bullshittery.

Physician, heal thyself.

Oh Jesus, as if you don't love fucking drama.  Sorry, she is loud and has a lot of points that are not well thought out.  I think she can fix all that.  She's not a bad person.  Nobody is shitty enough to be 'Trump on the left' but the point is she elicits tears and that's what a lot of people love.  They don't even know her positions but they LOVE that she pisses idiots on the right off.  If you don't think these people exist/support her that's on you...not your fault...you live in AL so there's probably about 3 liberals you can consult on who they like and why as far as Democratic candidates. 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

7 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Right. Thats because I never said you advocated directly for people to be stuck in one place.   Instead you know nothing about how markets work, and you advocate stupid positions that will result in people being stuck in place even more than they are now. 

But I do get that you really want every unicorn farm to be big enough to take every unicorn in the world, so every unicorn can live where it wants.  What you don't get is that it isn't possible, and that once we start building unicorn farms in all the towns, the market isn't going to allow for much if any movement between them. 

Hey man, just take all the money away from all the bad rich men and give it to the poor people.  Problem solved!  LOL

[SKJ 1311]

From Andrew Yang

I had a meeting last week with a social psychology professor named Jonathan Haidt.  He wrote a book called The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.  He also worked on a report called Hidden Tribes that came out recently.  It turns out that the proportion of politically disengaged Americans is 26%—one of the largest groups in America.  

We will of course compete for every vote.  Many traditional Democratic constituents are excited about this campaign.  The Freedom Dividend has the power to improve the situations of millions of Americans.   

But this campaign has the potential to change the game by activating groups that have not been traditionally politically active.  This group is called the Exhausted Majority.  The Exhausted Majority feels ill-served by the political system as it currently functions. The Exhausted Majority is many of us. 

We have the potential to realign our entire political system by offering solutions for the true problems of this age.  As one small sign, here is a videoof my appearance on Tucker Carlson last Friday.  I honestly didn’t know what to expect—but it went tremendously well.  I will go anywhere someone wants to have a real conversation.  

The huge lesson from the Hidden Tribes report is that our political media does not reflect the points-of-view of most of the American people.  Most Americans are very reasonable.  We agree on most of the big things.  Unfortunately, one of the things we agree on today is that our government has grown unresponsive.  It needs to be pushed into the 21^st century.

[Celery Man 20934]

Clearly more than 6% of the country supports Trump

[David Dennison 18854]

Hickenlooper doesn't support Medicare for All.

Buh bye.

[NIUHuskies 504]

"Nobody is shitty enough to be 'Trump on the left' "

You could do it if you mixed these two together:

 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

1 hour ago, SKJ said:

From Andrew Yang

I had a meeting last week with a social psychology professor named Jonathan Haidt.  He wrote a book called The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.  He also worked on a report called Hidden Tribes that came out recently.  It turns out that the proportion of politically disengaged Americans is 26%—one of the largest groups in America.  

We will of course compete for every vote.  Many traditional Democratic constituents are excited about this campaign.  The Freedom Dividend has the power to improve the situations of millions of Americans.   

But this campaign has the potential to change the game by activating groups that have not been traditionally politically active.  This group is called the Exhausted Majority.  The Exhausted Majority feels ill-served by the political system as it currently functions. The Exhausted Majority is many of us. 

We have the potential to realign our entire political system by offering solutions for the true problems of this age.  As one small sign, here is a videoof my appearance on Tucker Carlson last Friday.  I honestly didn’t know what to expect—but it went tremendously well.  I will go anywhere someone wants to have a real conversation.  

The huge lesson from the Hidden Tribes report is that our political media does not reflect the points-of-view of most of the American people.  Most Americans are very reasonable.  We agree on most of the big things.  Unfortunately, one of the things we agree on today is that our government has grown unresponsive.  It needs to be pushed into the 21^st century.

Definitely a huge fan of this Andrew Yang guy.  

[SKJ 1311]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

Clearly more than 6% of the country supports Trump

Well, let's consider the numbers?

I mean, 30% of the voters, could that be about 6% of total population?

[SKJ 1311]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Definitely a huge fan of this Andrew Yang guy.  

Fuck yeah.

Like I said, he's the only candidate of my lifetime that has ever checked my boxes.

The only one I've ever donated to, and ever been excited about

[GSU&UT 1798]

11 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Oh Jesus, as if you don't love fucking drama.  Sorry, she is loud and has a lot of points that are not well thought out.  I think she can fix all that.  She's not a bad person.  Nobody is shitty enough to be 'Trump on the left' but the point is she elicits tears and that's what a lot of people love.  They don't even know her positions but they LOVE that she pisses idiots on the right off.  If you don't think these people exist/support her that's on you...not your fault...you live in AL so there's probably about 3 liberals you can consult on who they like and why as far as Democratic candidates. 

It'd be a lot easier if you just admitted you dislike her because you don't want to pay higher taxes, want to continue to brag how much you make, and think combating climate change in an aggressive way is "too hard." Your constant point that she doesn't have well thought out ideas is a strawman.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Aside from thoughtful honest criticism of her policy ideas, the only legitimate complaint about AOC is she gets way too much unearned (mostly negative) coverage in the media.  The problem is people blame her for that because she is the face that’s put in front of them.  It’s easier to blame her than the grifters using her to generate outrage among their audiences.  She can’t stop right wing media from being dishonest and weirdly obsessed with her. 

It is in that way alone she is similar to Trump circa 2015 because he was give way too much oxygen in the media that he did not earn.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Js1 85313]

25 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

It'd be a lot easier if you just admitted you dislike her because you don't want to pay higher taxes, want to continue to brag how much you make, and think combating climate change in an aggressive way is "too hard." Your constant point that she doesn't have well thought out ideas is a strawman.

This is the major problem I have with the "displaced Republicans" who hate Trump and what the GOP is now.  I'm sorry you don't have a home.  But don't walk into someone else's and tramp mud throughout and break the furniture and spill your beer and tell us our ideas are too extreme and you hate them and try to turn the Democrats into your old party.  

[bad_teammate 13195]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This is the major problem I have with the "displaced Republicans" who hate Trump and what the GOP is now.  I'm sorry you don't have a home.  But don't walk into someone else's and tramp mud throughout and break the furniture and spill your beer and tell us our ideas are too extreme and you hate them and try to turn the Democrats into your old party.  

We need to BUILD A WALL to protect the left from Republicans who are temporarily homeless because of Hurricane Trump.

LOCK THEM UP!

LOCK THEM UP!

LOCK THEM UP!

[Celery Man 20934]

On the one hand true, on the other hand, it is the beginning of the two major parties in American politics being the two broken halves of the Democratic party.

[bad_teammate 13195]

5 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

On the one hand true, on the other hand, it is the beginning of the two major parties in American politics being the two broken halves of the Democratic party.

Sure, let them form the Noblesse Oblige Party for Egalitarians.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

28 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

On the one hand true, on the other hand, it is the beginning of the two major parties in American politics being the two broken halves of the Democratic party.

It’s a real damn problem because the Republican Party has abandoned American democracy and values in almost every way.   There is only one party that can compete with the party of “fuck you.”

 It’s natural for democrats to be resistant to the influence of estranged republicans/independents trying to help shape the party but I think it’s important to remember at the end of the day we’re all on the same team.  Before trying to contribute, alienated republicans probably need to do some soul searching to discover and clearly articulate what they really stand for and why.  They should be able to describe the kind of America they want to live in.  I say this as someone that went through this process as an independent voter after the election of Trump.  It was almost like an ideological reset and works best with mushrooms in the park. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[EMAWesome 101]

20 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Some new polling on thoughts voters have on candidate qualities/identifies/personal traits. Not tied to a named candidate.
 

 

 

 

Strange, no place in these polls for "person who knows his ass from a hole in the ground."  If this country had any common sense that would be the most popular candidate.  I don't care if a candidate is African-American or not.  I don't care if a candidate is a white man or not.  I don't care if a candidate is a woman or not.  I don't care if a candidate is gay or lesbian or not.  I don't give a shit about their age, religion, sex, race, what they do for a living, or who their favorite Beatle is.  Does the candidate know what they are doing?  Do they have their head up their ass?  Do their ideas make sense?  We aren't electing homecoming kings and queens.  We are electing leaders of the free world.  What ideas are floating around in their heads matters a lot more than what labels they slap on their selves.

[DixonHur 11296]

4 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

If this country had any common sense...

...we wouldn't have Donald Trump as President.

 

[Enchubben 5510]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s a real damn problem because the Republican Party has abandoned American democracy and values in almost every way.

Lol wut? Last I checked the favorite democratic candidate is an admitted socialist, democrats have passed legislation to literally kill born babies and openly support anti-semetic congressional members. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Enchubben said:

Lol wut? Last I checked the favorite democratic candidate is an admitted socialist, democrats have passed legislation to literally kill born babies and openly support anti-semetic congressional members. 

That’s what the propaganda is telling you.  Maybe investigate those claims and learn to think for yourself.  Do the same with the claims made by the other side.

[Anastasis 23469]

Says the guy using surly as a platform to spread propaganda and disinformation about democratic candidates. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by Anastasis

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Sick bern 

[bad_teammate 13195]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sick bern 

He's 100% correct, though.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He's 100% correct, though.

Not really, I reported there was a lot of anti-Bernie propaganda going around, you requested to see it, I posted it, and you tore it apart. 

I have my own corncerns with Bernie and I’ve been honest about that.  Just because you disagree with my assessment doesn’t make me a bad actor. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Biff Tannen 45676]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

Lol wut? Last I checked the favorite democratic candidate is an admitted socialist, democrats have passed legislation to literally kill born babies and openly support anti-semetic congressional members. 

2 of those 3 are incorrect

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

Lol wut? Last I checked the favorite democratic candidate is an admitted socialist, democrats have passed legislation to literally kill born babies and openly support anti-semetic congressional members. 

The horror!

TRUE AMERICANS know that the only appropriate venue to kill kids is in classrooms.  GOP! GOP! GOP!

Edited March 7, 2019 by Chuckie Finster

[bad_teammate 13195]

Joe Biden on Crime in 1994

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"We have predators on our streets that society has in fact, in part because of its neglect, created," said Biden, then a fourth-term senator from Delaware so committed to the bill that he has referred to it over the years as "the Biden bill."

"They are beyond the pale many of those people, beyond the pale," Biden continued. "And it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society."

In the speech, Biden described a "cadre of young people, tens of thousands of them, born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscience developing because they literally ... because they literally have not been socialized, they literally have not had an opportunity." He said, "we should focus on them now" because "if we don't, they will, or a portion of them, will become the predators 15 years from now."

Biden added that he didn't care "why someone is a malefactor in society" and that criminals needed to be "away from my mother, your husband, our families."

Hooo boy

[Anastasis 23469]

39 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The horror!

TRUE AMERICANS know that the only appropriate venue to kill kids is in classrooms.  GOP! GOP! GOP!

Sorry Chuckie. The answer we were looking for was “with cluster munitions”. 

[David Dennison 18854]

21 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Joe Biden on Crime in 1994

Hooo boy

Joe Biden's voting record in the Senate is what will sink his campaign. He's going to have to walk back a lot of bad votes.

[Biff Tannen 45676]

Biden 95% going to run according to NYT.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Voting record is one thing. Bills themselves are jumbled messes and purposefully manipulative.

The reasons you vote and the rhetoric you use for those votes will matter a lot.