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21 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Pete Buttigieg is on the latest Preet Bharara podcast. Came off really well...I'm going to pay more attention to him going forward. 

I donated money to him just because of this stupid rule of needing however many thousands of individual donors to see the debate stage in the primary. If he was more well-known coming into this it would have really made things interesting, but I think he still has too steep of a hill to climb.

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57 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

I donated money to him just because of this stupid rule of needing however many thousands of individual donors to see the debate stage in the primary. If he was more well-known coming into this it would have really made things interesting, but I think he still has too steep of a hill to climb.

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Mayor Pete has a bright future. Hopefully he runs really hard this campaign season, loses the primary (I mean, it would be cool if he won it, but...) and then takes a shot at governor or Senate. Preferably governor. Governor Buttigieg in 2028 is 45 years old and seasoned with even more executive experience.

2020-2026 - Bernie Sanders
2026-2028 - Nina Turner (Sanders's VP becomes POTUS after Sanders dies of being so ridiculously old oh my god)
2028-TheEndOfDays - Mayor Pete eternally rejuvenated via Peter Theil's blood magic

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If we want positive change and a brighter future, Buttigieg is the answer NOW.  What a bunch of bullshit for pundits to use the age excuse when he's probably the most mature and thoughtful candidate running.  Experience in Congress/D.C. is completely overrated IMO and frankly I'm sick of all of these seasoned assholes (D or R) who've been fucking off in Washington over the years.  Democratic reform should absolutely be the first big idea brought to the table, as none of the other big ideas (GND, universal healthcare, etc.) have a chance until we're willing to reshape and firm up our democracy.

We are a year away from the primaries. In this current day and age you only need one "viral" moment to take off.  Beto turned into an overnight national sensation talking about NFL players kneeling, for fuck's sake.  I think a ton of voters are waiting to be wowed and Buttigieg has the communication skills to deliver. 

That said, the odds are stacked against him right now. He should 100% be the VP candidate at worst, as he'll absolutely obliterate Pence in the debates. Then he'd be the natural choice to run for President in 2024 or 2028. 

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22 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And, sadly, the most unelectable ticket in American history.

I mean, honestly, how the fuck would that be the most unelectable combination?

Our current combination is Trump, Pence.

How in the everylovingfuck is that bullshit more electable than a functioning, competent businessman with an economics degree from Brown (who has actual built-from-the-ground-up businesses and a legit foundation to further startups) and a Harvard, Rhodes scholar mayor with excellent business experience, as well as military history?

Both of which are most likely documented geniuses with a deep, profound understanding of strategic, sound policy ideals?

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7 minutes ago, SKJ said:

I mean, honestly, how the fuck would that be the most unelectable combination?

Our current combination is Trump, Pence.

How in the everylovingfuck is that bullshit more electable than a functioning, competent businessman with an economics degree from Brown (who has actual built-from-the-ground-up businesses and a legit foundation to further startups) and a Harvard, Rhodes scholar mayor with excellent business experience, as well as military history?

Both of which are most likely documented geniuses with a deep, profound understanding of strategic, sound policy ideals?

because it's not about intelligence, or IQ, or educational pedigree.  it's about name recognition.  that's why trump won.  he's a promoter.  people would rather get behind that than an intellectual. 

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because it's not about intelligence, or IQ, or educational pedigree.  it's about name recognition.  that's why trump won.  he's a promoter.  people would rather get behind that than an intellectual. 

Normally, I'd agree 100%.  But Yang's freedom dividend giving everyone $1k per month will spread his name pretty damn fast.  He just needs to make the debates, defend his facts/figures against the inevitable scrutiny (smears), have some polls reflect the popularity of his dividend amongst the general population, and find some way to convince the public that he can get enough of Congress to pass the dividend bill.  Long shot, yes.  But not out of the question.  He and Mayor Pete are the ticket of the future, today.  IMO.

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33 minutes ago, SKJ said:

I mean, honestly, how the fuck would that be the most unelectable combination?

Our current combination is Trump, Pence.

How in the everylovingfuck is that bullshit more electable than a functioning, competent businessman with an economics degree from Brown (who has actual built-from-the-ground-up businesses and a legit foundation to further startups) and a Harvard, Rhodes scholar mayor with excellent business experience, as well as military history?

Both of which are most likely documented geniuses with a deep, profound understanding of strategic, sound policy ideals?

What fucking country do you live in? Those are all admirable qualifications but Dotard has already proven that you can get elected with the IQ of a turnip.  Getting elected and then doing a good job once elected require two radically different skill sets. Unfortunately you have to get elected first.

 

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What fucking country do you live in? Those are all admirable qualifications but Dotard has already proven that you can get elected with the IQ of a turnip.  Getting elected and then doing a good job once elected require two radically different skill sets. Unfortunately you have to get elected first.

 

Aaaaand welcome to the main reason our country sucks. Electable should be a majority electing the most qualified candidates, and yet you Democrats, who are supposed to save this country from Trump (hint: you won't) are acting as if being two of the most reasonable, most qualified candidates in the field should already be written off because of (insert whatever completely moronic reason such as race, sexual orientation, gender, or otherwise completely foolish as fuck reasons you can generate) and are already closing the door.

Why the fuck should we expect any real change when the absolute to cause of the problem has still not even been addressed in either party: you elect the best, not the alternatives.

We haven't learned anything, at all, from Trump. If there was ever a chance to elect the brightest and best candidate without worry about a completely crooked, crippled, and inept administration and their loyal 30%, that time is now. But you are all already shrinking away from the best chance to reclaim excellence by thinking "anything but Trump" is the solution.

Don't you fucking get it? ANYTHING BUT HILLARY ELECTED TRUMP. 

Now we have morons gambling the likely future of this country on the prospect of ANYTHING BUT TRUMP. And we'll likely end up with the liberal Trump.

Morons 

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Aaaaand welcome to the main reason our country sucks. Electable should be a majority electing the most qualified candidates, and yet you Democrats, who are supposed to save this country from Trump (hint: you won't) are acting as if being two of the most reasonable, most qualified candidates in the field should already be written off because of (insert whatever completely moronic reason such as race, sexual orientation, gender, or otherwise completely foolish as fuck reasons you can generate) and are already closing the door.

Why the fuck should we expect any real change when the absolute to cause of the problem has still not even been addressed in either party: you elect the best, not the alternatives.

We haven't learned anything, at all, from Trump. If there was ever a chance to elect the brightest and best candidate without worry about a completely crooked, crippled, and inept administration and their loyal 30%, that time is now. But you are all already shrinking away from the best chance to reclaim excellence by thinking "anything but Trump" is the solution.

Don't you fucking get it? ANYTHING BUT HILLARY ELECTED TRUMP. 

Now we have morons gambling the likely future of this country on the prospect of ANYTHING BUT TRUMP. And we'll likely end up with the liberal Trump.

Morons 

No one person or candidate is going to save this country no matter how good they are.  Some might be better than others at getting the ball rolling but our problems are much bigger than Trump.  

Trump is such a big nothing compared to the Senate and House that aids and abets criminals like Trump without ever being held accountable.  Then there are the voters that don’t give a fuck about it... 

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No one person or candidate is going to save this country no matter how good they are.  Some might be better than others at getting the ball rolling but our problems are much bigger than Trump.  

Trump is such a big nothing compared to the Senate and House that aids and abets criminals like Trump without ever holding him accountable.  Then there are the voters that don’t give a fuck about it... 

Right. So this is your justification for selling out.

Let's get all the posters who feel some sort of way about why we shouldn't vote for the absolute best rather than the absolute most expedient in here to give us their reasons for selling out so we can all see everyone for what they are.

And don't fucking sit there and act like putting the absolute best in 1/3 of the government isn't such a big deal. The argument is completely moot.

 

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5 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Trump is a symptom, not the problem. The problem is the number of completely regarded or selfish people we have in this country. The only solution is to repeatedly beat them at the ballot box with electable candidates. Basically the opposite of what we did last time.

Another person settling.

How, in this fucking country, is the absolute best ever unelectable?

Answer, because you're all too fucking lazy to demand the absolute best.

As long as we continue to play a silly little game of absolute stupidity, we will continue to live in absolute stupidity.

Calling @Brisketexan, save me a fucking spot

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Right. So this is your justification for selling out.

Let's get all the posters who feel some sort of way about why we shouldn't vote for the absolute best rather than the absolute most expedient in here to give us their reasons for selling out so we can all see everyone for what they are.

And don't fucking sit there and act like putting the absolute best in 1/3 of the government isn't such a big deal. The argument is completely moot.

 

I’m not selling out.  I agree with you.  We should put up the best candidate and ignore the pundit bullshit of “electability”. That’s kinda been my thing in this thread. 

I’m just not going to get all pissy when Kamala Harris wins the nomination because she checks the boxes. 

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14 hours ago, Js1 said:

This is the major problem I have with the "displaced Republicans" who hate Trump and what the GOP is now.  I'm sorry you don't have a home.  But don't walk into someone else's and tramp mud throughout and break the furniture and spill your beer and tell us our ideas are too extreme and you hate them and try to turn the Democrats into your old party.  

The Democratic party is not anyone's home it's just a political tent made up of various coalitions with access to ballots in all 50 states plus the televised debates. The party itself isn't anything like it was 50 years ago back when all the Southern deplorables were Democrats before switching parties and chasing off the RINOs from the GOP. The party changes, considering how easy it is to switch political parties you would think party shifts would happen more often.

Anyways, considering we exist in a Two Party system, it's part of the natural political process for the displaced Republicans to switch parties and change it's direction if they have the numbers.

 

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2 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

I’m not settling for shit. Your reading comprehension sucks.

You're settling for a bunch of electable people instead of all the best.

That's pretty much in Black and White.

Ha ha ha I must've read that wrong.

Justify it how you want to, but what we should do, if you were in my way of thinking, if only elect the absolute best candidates, not the "most electable"

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m not selling out.  I agree with you.  We should put up the best candidate and ignore the pundit bullshit of “electability”. That’s kinda been my thing in this thread. 

I’m just not going to get all pissy when Kamala Harris wins the nomination because she checks the boxes. 

She doesn't, though.

She's not the absolute best candidate.

She checks all the mediocre boxes.

She's probably just a couple degrees better than Trump.

We have to stand up and fucking force the absolute best candidates through the system. 

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2 minutes ago, SKJ said:

You're settling for a bunch of electable people instead of all the best.

That's pretty much in Black and White.

Ha ha ha I must've read that wrong.

Justify it how you want to, but what we should do, if you were in my way of thinking, if only elect the absolute best candidates, not the "most electable"

Like I said, your reading comprehension sucks. I’m not settling for shit. You added MOST in front of electable, which is not what I said. 

I have a really high standard in that I want a candidate who has similar policy ideals as me AND is electable. Electable is not some bad word that your are trying to make it out to be. It doesn’t have to mean establishment or vanilla. It’s a candidate can take their message to the people and sell them on their vision.

Not every candidate with good ideas is ready to be the most important person in the world. Let’s take MJ Hegar. I think she’s a bad ass and agree with her on just about every policy. It doesn’t mean she should be my candidate for president. The party should have a bench deep enough where we can find solid liberals with enough experience to take on a national election.

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47 minutes ago, SKJ said:

Aaaaand welcome to the main reason our country sucks. Electable should be a majority electing the most qualified candidates, and yet you Democrats, who are supposed to save this country from Trump (hint: you won't) are acting as if being two of the most reasonable, most qualified candidates in the field should already be written off because of (insert whatever completely moronic reason such as race, sexual orientation, gender, or otherwise completely foolish as fuck reasons you can generate) and are already closing the door.

Why the fuck should we expect any real change when the absolute to cause of the problem has still not even been addressed in either party: you elect the best, not the alternatives.

We haven't learned anything, at all, from Trump. If there was ever a chance to elect the brightest and best candidate without worry about a completely crooked, crippled, and inept administration and their loyal 30%, that time is now. But you are all already shrinking away from the best chance to reclaim excellence by thinking "anything but Trump" is the solution.

Don't you fucking get it? ANYTHING BUT HILLARY ELECTED TRUMP. 

Now we have morons gambling the likely future of this country on the prospect of ANYTHING BUT TRUMP. And we'll likely end up with the liberal Trump.

Morons 

Calm down Nancy. I agree with you that we should elect qualified candidates, I'm merely pointing out that the most recent presidential election would indicate that everything you posted about Yang/Buttigeig  matters fuck all to the majority of voters.  Does that reality make me happy? Of course not, but I'm also a realist. And fuck off for calling me a Democrat. The most positive thing I can say about the Dems is that they arent the GOP..

The GOP knows that as long as they pander to the gun nut, pro choice, anti immigration, and bible banger crowds they lock down a huge number of single issue voters that would vote for anybody that promises to defend their single issue rights. You can stay on your soapbox for the next two years extolling the merits of an ivy league education and business success, and every mouth breathing trumptard will shrug and vote for Trump. As far as they are concerned, Trump has both of those credentials PLUS he loves guns, unborn babies, white people, and Jesus.

If left to their own devices, the Dems will probably fuck things up in 2020. Luckily for them, Trump is doing a great job identifying himself as a colossal fucking retard. The vast majority of people who vote regularly in this country have already made up their minds about voting D or R in 2020. That leaves the undecided regular voters (and there arent many of those) and the large numbers of eligible voters that previously couldn't find the motivation to make it to the polls.

Midterm results were encouraging, but that was a strict anti-trump vote. Once the GOP has someone to villify in 2020, you're going to have to find what else motivates the politically dormant to give a shit. Maybe it's a powerhouse tandem of well educated libs that push free college, $1k a month, and a whole list of other radical policies...maybe not. In the last election, the LEAST qualified candidate won the fucking election, so it's not a grand endorsement of a 2020 strategy that revolves around nominating two no names with impeccable credentials. 

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Ah yes love the “you Democrats can’t win unless you nominate MY candidate!” arguments. Very big brain smarts. 

Let’s all have a fun spirited primary full of competing ideas that stem from shared progressive values and then vote Trump out. Ok, Cool. Hook em. 

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Ah yes love the “you Democrats can’t win unless you nominate MY candidate!” arguments. Very big brain smarts. 

Let’s all have a fun spirited primary full of competing ideas that stem from shared progressive values and then vote Trump out. Ok, Cool. Hook em. 

Seriously. There are 10+ dems in the race right now that I would gladly support. Some I might be somewhat disappointed by but would obviously still vote for them over trump.

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I too would love to live in a rainbow world of money trees and free Harry Styles concerts.

But perfect is the enemy of good.

If “electable” is what gets Trump out of our White House but “perfect” loses to Trump, then give me fucking electable.

I can deal with a decent person who may not tick all my boxes but who I don’t have to worry about selling us out to hostile foreign governments and fucking up everything both foreign and domestic.

The saying “Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line” is so accurate.

Everyone knows I’m no Bernie fan.

But if he’s the nominee, I’ll volunteer and donate and advocate for that old grumpy fart with all my heart.

Because the alternative is much too horrible and evil to be allowed to continue.

I’m not advocating for being AS evil as the opposition but we sure as fuck better be as united.

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I mean, honestly, how the fuck would that be the most unelectable combination?
Our current combination is Trump, Pence.
How in the everylovingfuck is that bullshit more electable than a functioning, competent businessman with an economics degree from Brown (who has actual built-from-the-ground-up businesses and a legit foundation to further startups) and a Harvard, Rhodes scholar mayor with excellent business experience, as well as military history?
Both of which are most likely documented geniuses with a deep, profound understanding of strategic, sound policy ideals?

because it's not about intelligence, or IQ, or educational pedigree.  it's about name recognition.  that's why trump won.  he's a promoter.  people would rather get behind that than an intellectual. 

Another person settling.
How, in this fucking country, is the absolute best ever unelectable?
Answer, because you're all too fucking lazy to demand the absolute best.
As long as we continue to play a silly little game of absolute stupidity, we will continue to live in absolute stupidity.
Calling [mention=593]Brisketexan[/mention], save me a fucking spot

Lets cut to the chase: the most important demographic in this country is stupid people. The stupid vote decides most elections - the candidate who captures the most mouthbreathing morons wins. Every time.

So, I love smart candidates. Y’all do too, great. We don’t matter. Intelligent people are a single digit percent of the electorate. We need a candidate who appeals to idiots. Because that’s where the votes are.
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38 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

If “electable” is what gets Trump out of our White House but “perfect” loses to Trump, then give me fucking electable.

 

26 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, I love smart candidates. Y’all do too, great. We don’t matter. Intelligent people are a single digit percent of the electorate. We need a candidate who appeals to idiots. Because that’s where the votes are.

Yup. We are living in an era of politics by Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. The SKJ's of the world better get with the program or we're gonna be running out of french fries and burrito coverings.

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8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

 

 


Lets cut to the chase: the most important demographic in this country is stupid people. The stupid vote decides most elections - the candidate who captures the most mouthbreathing morons wins. Every time.

So, I love smart candidates. Y’all do too, great. We don’t matter. Intelligent people are a single digit percent of the electorate. We need a candidate who appeals to idiots. Because that’s where the votes are.

 

 

Like the great philosopher George Carlin once said, "Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that."

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In many ways, stupid people are smarter than smart people. I'm wondering how dumb the dummies really are when we're the ones always losing.

People need two things:
- A policy story that's easy to understand
- A bad guy to hate

Policy Stories

Bad (the "affordable access" story): "Here's how healthcare will work. First, you take last year's tax return and compare Line Item 7B to the chart we provide at Healthcare.Gov (click "Chart Comparison"). That tells you which tranche you fall into. Oh wait, you don't know what 'tranche' means, well it's just another way of saying 'section' or 'portion'. After you figure out which tranche you then click on "My Options", you enter your tranche ID code and you'll get a menu of private options. Simply choose between the various FSA, HSA, high-deductible, low-deductible, HMO, PPO, large-network, small-network options there and you can figure out what your co-pays will be! Then, once you've chosen your health insurance, you download the app (or print out this PDF) that lists all of your available doctors and hospitals."

Good (the "single payer" story): "You download the app (or printout this PDF) that lists all of your available doctors and hospitals."

Bad Guy

Bad (the "identity politics" story): "Probably you, you're probably the bad guy. If not you then your husband or uncle or something. But still, probably you."

Good (the "class politics" story): "The billionaires, they're the bad guys."

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Reminder, Beto's coming. 

HBO Documentary on his Senate Campaign, debuting Saturday at SXSW, airing on HBO on May 28th. It will be a nice reminder of the inspirational campaign he ran.

Story: https://ew.com/movies/2019/03/07/running-with-beto-orourke-documentary-first-look/

Preview: https://ew.com/movies/2019/03/07/running-with-beto-orourke-documentary-first-look/

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Nate Silver article on Beto's chances, campaign strengths, and how he views him as right below the top tier favorites (Biden, Kamala, Sanders): 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-beto-orourke-overrated-or-underrated/

I have concerns about his lack of experience, but I'm looking forward to a candidate I can actually get excited about being a serious contender. Still hoping Buttigieg catches fire too. 

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