Allen Outlet Mall Massacre

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44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Adult men should not follow or post Tik Toks.  For the Deacon:

Amen

[Nivek 16,946]

Yes but I didn’t know what RWDS meant until yesterday.  I certainly know the SS

At least they stopped pretending it was antifa.

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2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

At least they stopped pretending it was antifa.

 

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"Look dammit. We know what a white supremacist looks like. We have them on our network every day. This guy doesn't look like our white supremacists". 

[Beau Vine 54,278]

 

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

 

If I were in the mothers place and those were my only two children, just let me die. Fuck man. Fuck this state, fuck this country and especially fuck the crazy 2A assholes.

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Jesus. I’d sue the fuck out of everyone 

 

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4 hours ago, Js1 said:

I mean, maybe I’d run over a guy with a knife. What’s he gonna do, attack my front hood? 

It’ll buff out. 

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Just now, DDD Dad said:

It’ll buff out. 

You had any paint work done lately?  

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Yeah, due to Heil Damage.  Serious Stuff or S.S.
Sorry, Hail of Damage.  Of Gunfire. 

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

 

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if you stand on your head and cross your eyes and take a drag on a cigarette one of those etchings might look like a swastika

Yeah, it might look like a swastika, because it is a fucking swastika and that's an SS tattoo on his arm just in case there was any ambiguity for anyone. 

I know the Newsmax dude is lying and knows he's lying, but unfortunately, we do such a shit job at educating people that there may legitimately be some that think the Nazi swastika was only displayed tilted. It was also used vertically.

It is crystal fucking clear what those tattoos are and why he has them. He's a fucking Nazi. 

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2 hours ago, victory88 said:

So I came to find out today that 3 of the victims are my former employer’s best friends.  The mom was covering her 6 year son and he survived.  The mom, along with the dad and their 3 year son were shot dead.  Only the 6 year old survived.  I’m pretty certain I met them 5 years ago at my old bosses wedding.  This is pretty fucked up.   They had just celebrated the 6 year olds birthday and were out shopping.  Fuck your guns.  They need to be banned.

I can't imagine the utter horror realizing that the only way to protect your children is to literally cover their bodies with yours and hope that your sacrifice is enough and they survive.

I'm sure that mother did it in an instant without even thinking about it, but damn that imagery is fucking heartbreaking.

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3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

$50 and my left nut says we have a senior living center shootup before year is out.  Why the fuck not.  Or some other under-represented demographic in mass shootings---Shinto Japanese, Bulgarian Cultural Centers, Hindu Worship Centers, Mandarin Language Schools, Dyslexic Summer Camps. 

Did you miss January in Cali?

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6 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Did you miss January in Cali?

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9 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

If I were in the mothers place and those were my only two children, just let me die. Fuck man. Fuck this state, fuck this country and especially fuck the crazy 2A assholes.

No fucking way.  Her misery should be shared by the people who set this in motion.  

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8 hours ago, Pods said:

Yeah, it might look like a swastika, because it is a fucking swastika and that's an SS tattoo on his arm just in case there was any ambiguity for anyone. 

I know the Newsmax dude is lying and knows he's lying, but unfortunately, we do such a shit job at educating people that there may legitimately be some that think the Nazi swastika was only displayed tilted. It was also used vertically.

It is crystal fucking clear what those tattoos are and why he has them. He's a fucking Nazi. 

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8 hours ago, Pods said:

Yeah, it might look like a swastika, because it is a fucking swastika and that's an SS tattoo on his arm just in case there was any ambiguity for anyone. 

I know the Newsmax dude is lying and knows he's lying, but unfortunately, we do such a shit job at educating people that there may legitimately be some that think the Nazi swastika was only displayed tilted. It was also used vertically.

To take the edge of the horror, I'm reading this guy's manifesto in Oz's voice from American Pie when he tells the chick he plays  lacrosse and football.

"It's like, Mauricio, he's just this kick-ass Nazi.  But I'm also in the S.S., by the way.  But that's not all that I am.  

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19 minutes ago, Nivek said:

No fucking way.  Her misery should be shared by the people who set this in motion.  

Dude, they don't care, man. They never will.

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11 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Goddamn, there is a lot to read into there.  But I'll let the pros figure it out.  Young parents and young children.  And, not to stereotype, but based on names---people that don't probably look white.  JFC.  

 

I am reading into it that a piece of shit with Nazi tats murdered several brown people, an Asian family, and a security guard who might have or was reacting. So pretty on-brand for the Waffen SS fanboi set. 

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What I’m the Sam Hill?

 

 

wouldnt most nazis hate Hispanics?  Yes I know Hispanics are Caucasian but I doubt nazis care. Any resident nazis want to chime in?

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What the in the boomer lead gas brain rot did I just watch?

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16 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

What I’m the Sam Hill?

 

 

wouldnt most nazis hate Hispanics?  Yes I know Hispanics are Caucasian but I doubt nazis care. Any resident nazis want to chime in?

there's a reason we have a term for them.... "coconuts"... 

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20 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

What I’m the Sam Hill?

 

 

wouldnt most nazis hate Hispanics?  Yes I know Hispanics are Caucasian but I doubt nazis care. Any resident nazis want to chime in?

Here’s the thing, in the year of our Lord 2023 you have to be extremely, extremely stupid to get Nazi tattoos and so expecting any sort of coherence or rationality or logic just shouldn’t be expected.  A Nazi tattoo is a big sign that says “I’m very stupid and angry.”

Nazi racialist theories were constantly being revised and adapted because— surprise—- they aren’t scientific and the original Nazis were also very stupid and angry. Hitler changed his mind on the Spaniards, for instance, after they beat the Commies and the Italians disappointed him. 

[Chopper 17,239]

Just as Clarence Thomas plays the role of useful idiot on the Supreme Court, Hispanics like Enrique Tarrio, the Allen murderer, and Nick Fuentes, play the role of useful idiots for white supremacy groups because they offer the perfect cover to mask racism.

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The Proud Boys’ Latino connection, explained
Story by Marcela García • Jun 10, 2022

The Boston Globe

The notion that people of color can’t possibly belong to white nationalist hate groups has been exposed as a plain fallacy. Black and brown members of such groups often play the role of “useful idiots,” as others have put it, because they offer the perfect cover to mask these extremist organizations’ latent racism.

Case in point: The leader of the Proud Boys — the far-right, neofascist group at the center of the Jan. 6 committee hearings for its prominent role in the US Capitol insurrection — is Enrique Tarrio, a dark-skinned Cuban American. Tarrio, who faces several federal charges in connection with the Capitol attack, including a rare charge of seditious conspiracy, has repeatedly downplayed the group’s white nationalism and notoriously told an Insider reporter that he denounces white supremacy, fascism, and communism. “I’m pretty brown, I’m Cuban,” Tarrio said. “There’s nothing white supremacist about me.”

Of course, the Proud Boys’ links to white supremacy activism and violence has been well documented, even prior to the Jan. 6 insurrection. What has yet to be deeply examined is why far-right groups are attractive to Latinos like Tarrio. Why would a person from a marginalized, oppressed group identify with white supremacy ideology?

The go-to explanation is the “Hispanics are not a monolith” mantra, which, while accurate, also feels a tad superficial. Sure, my identity and political views as a Mexican American raised in Mexico but living in Boston for the past two decades are likely to be different from a second-generation Mexican American from McAllen, Texas, or a recently-arrived Venezuelan refugee in Miami. It’s how some of the Proud Boys’ appeal to Latinos in the Miami area has been explained: Cubans and Venezuelans’ fear of communism and socialism made them turn to the Republican Party and, in some cases, drove them to become right-wing activists.

But to truly dig deep into the connection between white nationalism and Latinos, we must explore complex racial and ethnic dynamics within the Latinx community — specifically, the insidious anti-Black bias.

Tanya Katerí Hernández, a professor of law at Fordham University School of Law, is the author of the upcoming book “Racial Innocence: Unmasking Latino Anti-Black Bias and the Struggle for Equality,” in which she looks “at the ways Latinos espouse two things simultaneously,” she said in an interview. “One, that [we] are not discriminatory, that we don’t have racism, or at least not the way in which North Americans have racism. And that’s because we are racially evolved and racially mixed. And so there is no white and there is no Black.”

So the conventional thinking goes, “[Latinos] can’t possibly harbor discrimination,” she said. But “embedded within much of our language and much of our actions are a lot of anti-Black, prejudicial attitudes.” Hernández’s research touches on extremism and physical violence but also on the myriad ways Latinos are involved in acts of discrimination against Black people, such as in the real estate market or in the workplace.

While it may still be shocking for people to learn who the leader of the Proud Boys is — a Latino who, as the Capitol attack unfolded, reportedly took credit for it, writing in an encrypted text, “Make no mistake. We did this” — this isn’t the first time that Latinos have been involved in a self-identified, self-professed white supremacist collective, according to Hernández. Other examples of Latinos linked to white nationalist groups: Juan Cadavid, originally from Colombia, took part in pro-Trump violent clashes in Southern California in 2017; Alex Michael Ramos, a Puerto Rican from Georgia who beat a Black man during the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, also in 2017; and Nick Fuentes, the young white nationalist influencer of Mexican American descent.

What drives a non-white person to take part in violence against racial minorities? “What’s the best way to distance yourself from feeling like you’re part of an oppressed group? It’s to align yourself with those who are part of the oppressors,” said Hernández. Additionally, whiteness has been very elastic throughout history, she said. “People who today we think of as white people with Italian American or Irish American ancestry were, at the turn of last century, viewed as non-white. Whiteness sort of expanded to include them.”

Hernández was adamant that Tarrio, Fuentes, and other Latinos are not isolated cases, and warned against viewing them as such because then we, as Latinos, avoid responsibility for addressing pernicious anti-Black attitudes in the Latino community.

“We’re acting as if this Afro identity is something separate, apart from us,” Hernández said, and she’s spot on. To understand how white supremacy continues to be able to operate among Hispanics, it’s crucial to acknowledge Afro-Latino identity within Latinidad. Only then will we have a shot at dismantling it.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Chopper

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Also, fascism has been pretty big in Latin America ever since WW2. It shouldn't be a surprise that we've got latino neo-nazis today.

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5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Also, fascism has been pretty big in Latin America ever since WW2. It shouldn't be a surprise that we've got latino neo-nazis today.

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25 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

What I’m the Sam Hill?

 

 

wouldnt most nazis hate Hispanics?  Yes I know Hispanics are Caucasian but I doubt nazis care. Any resident nazis want to chime in?

They were cool with Hispanics in the sense of Spain, even Sephardic Jews on the Iberian Peninsula were largely ignored---they didn't view them the way they viewed the Ashkenazi.  And they reached out to Mexico for a partnership.  They didn't really care one way or the other about their ethnicity, just their proximity to the United States and an awful lotta places on their east coast on which to harbor ships.  The guiding principle of their Party was a Jew-Free Europe.  Second was their 'Master Race', but enthusiasm wained on those goals from establishment of the Reich in early 30's until the early 40's when the war got tough.  After that, it was still absolutely to cleanse the continent of Jews.  But shit got real murky after that.  They made alliances with Muslims in the Middle East for oil.  Reached out to Mexico and Central/South America.  And little known fact, the Nazis even tried to befriend a few countries in East Asia/Pacific Rim     They were overly-aggressive, genocidal assholes.  But they weren't stupid, they weren't literally trying to take over the world.  Just get rid of a few groups and take over a few dozen nations.  

The reason white supremacist Americans latch onto Nazism to this day is for the very simple reason---it's a well known ideology that's easy, with great costumes.  Like any regime of that duration and scope, there was much nuance and division within the party.  But in broad terms, it's easy because it allows a fascist-extremist to cast onto it that which they feel inside.  Christian Nationalism, Right-Wing Extremist, Anti-Semite, Anti-Immigrant, Anti-Minority, Anti-LGBTQ+, Anti-Black, whatever it is.  The easiest mass movement to latch your bullshit to is Nazism.  Even though Nazism didn't really give much of a fuck about some of those things/groups.  

tl;dr-Germans had experienced generations of ebbs and flows of greatness and irrelevance.  Like the far right today, their cause was to correct wrong, old beefs.  Unlike Germany though, American far-right ideology is extra cranky because it was never great to begin with.  Ronald Reagan would die 1000 times more if he knew this was happening in the name of his party today.

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14 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Christian Nationalism, Right-Wing Extremist, Anti-Semite, Anti-Immigrant, Anti-Minority, Anti-LGBTQ+, Anti-Black, whatever it is.  The easiest mass movement to latch your bullshit to is Nazism.  Even though Nazism didn't really give much of a fuck about some of those things/groups.  

Wait are you kidding me? Literally every group you mention was specifically targeted as "untermensch" by the nazis and found their way into death camps ran by right wing extremists. Hell the nazis were fucking protestants and tried to integrate worshipping their political leader as a messiah! Our crazy religious nuts here in the US are also fucking right wing extremist protestants, targeting the same fucking groups as the nazis that our grandads fought 80 years ago. 

14 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Unlike Germany though, American far-right ideology is extra cranky because it was never great to begin with.  Ronald Reagan would die 1000 times more if he knew this was happening in the name of his party today.

Ronnie was the starting point for much of the shit we're dealing with today. Guess who cut social services and mental health funding? Not to mention the rest of the trickledown funflation that cranks up the heat even further on crazies with nothing to lose.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Captainant

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23 minutes ago, Chopper said:

these extremist organizations’ latent racism

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27 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Here’s the thing, in the year of our Lord 2023 you have to be extremely, extremely stupid to get Nazi tattoos and so expecting any sort of coherence or rationality or logic just shouldn’t be expected.  A Nazi tattoo is a big sign that says “I’m very stupid and angry.”

Nazi racialist theories were constantly being revised and adapted because— surprise—- they aren’t scientific and the original Nazis were also very stupid and angry. Hitler changed his mind on the Spaniards, for instance, after they beat the Commies and the Italians disappointed him. 

Yeah, and I guess he also worked with the orentals, I mean Japanese.

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3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Yeah I noticed that. My thought was the article was from a year ago so I think it'd much easier to write that today and get it past the editors at the Boston Globe without the "latent" qualification than it was 12 months earlier. Anyone paying attention knew it but I don't think it was as widely accepted. But I don't know. Also the writer doesn't usually write the headline for a large paper like the Globe.

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Wait are you kidding me? Literally every group you mention was specifically targeted as "untermensch" by the nazis and found their way into death camps ran by right wing extremists. Hell the nazis were fucking protestants! Our crazy religious nuts here in the US are also fucking right wing extremist protestants, targeting the same fucking groups as the nazis that our grandads fought 80 years ago. 

I was saying that whatever the modern far-right beef is, those things you bolded, you can latch it onto Nazism.  But it's different categories of those.  Their immigrants weren't the same as ours.  Their minorities weren't the same as ours.  They were operating in North Africa for 3 years and really just didn't give much of a shit about Africans.  Yeah, some were killed but there was no genocidal murder spree.  They were primarily there to extract resources, break British armor, and try to teach the Italians to not be so goddamn Italian.  

My point was our fellow Texans that hate Mexicans, or Venezuelans, or Trans Doctors, or Muslims---they can project that onto Nazism because it's about as close and well-known as it gets.  But there was no party doctrine against those groups during the Reich, nor SS policy.  I'm sure if you asked an SS officer about Hondurans or Bisexual women at a cocktail party, he'd tell you he hated them.  But somebody in the Wermacht just killing Russians and shipping Jews wouldn't have given much of a thought to too many Chinese attending their alma mater.  

But again, that's why I think the latch on to this is only going to get worse.  Far right groups like Proud Bois and III% and RWDS (literally taken from an SS name) and QanonWWG1WGA are projecting onto Nazism for two primary reasons:  MAGA wasn't extreme enough and MAGA movement is waining in popularity.  Third reason again, the Hugo Boss cosplay opportunities are rather tempting.

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The shooter had multiple nazi tattoos and people are doubting if he was a nazi? Those aren’t the kind of things people get ironically 

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neo nazis are losers , makes them feel all powerful and shit.   What a crazy world where Latinos join THAT.  Just off yourself fools. 

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He can't be a Nazi, he's brown! 

Yeah, nobody is saying he would make an ideal Wermacht Officer or Director of the Reich Chancery.  What we're saying is he subscribed to Nazi far-right, fascist ideology.

And no, as some dipshit asked-------the S.S. tattoo on his right side does not stand for the Latino prison gang "eSe eSe" 

This is where we're at.  The guns aren't enough, we gotta play down politics that are ON THE GUY'S FUCKING BODY IN PERMANENT INK.  He didn't get them at the Nazi Carnival temporary tattoo trailer next to the face painting station.  It is literally impossible some of y'all are this fucking stupid.  I cannot fucking wait to see what's on tap later this month for Commander's Dipshits play army.  

Edited May 9, 2023 by YGIFS

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1 hour ago, El Tri said:

there's a reason we have a term for them.... "coconuts"... 

what did I do?

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7 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The shooter had multiple nazi tattoos and people are doubting if he was a nazi? Those aren’t the kind of things people get ironically 

 

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

He can't be a Nazi, he's brown! 

Yeah, nobody is saying he would make an ideal Wermacht Officer or Director of the Reich Chancery.  What we're saying is he subscribed to Nazi far-right, fascist ideology.

And no, as some dipshit asked-------the S.S. tattoo on his right side does not stand for the Latino prison gang "eSe eSe" 

This is where we're at.  The guns aren't enough, we gotta play down politics that are ON THE GUY'S FUCKING BODY IN PERMANENT INK.  He didn't get them at the Nazi Carnival temporary tattoo trailer next to the face painting station.  It is literally impossible some of y'all are this fucking stupid.  I cannot fucking wait to see what's on tap later this month for Commander's Dipshits play army.  

Someone posted the MAGA process on this above:

1 - he's a brown!  Illegals are murderers!

2 - He can't be a white supremacists, no matter what those tats and everything he posted says!  He's a brown!

3 - it's a false flag psyop by Soros!

Or something to that effect.  It all reaches the conclusion of "if someone spouting evil right wing shit commits a heinous act, it's actually a false flag."  

[MrBig 5,421]

It’s nothing new for Mexican-Americans to hate Blacks and immigrants just as much as some White people do. Hell, there is even a Spanish version of the n-word too and I’m not talking about colors. 

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21 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Wait are you kidding me? Literally every group you mention was specifically targeted as "untermensch" by the nazis and found their way into death camps ran by right wing extremists. Hell the nazis were fucking protestants and tried to integrate worshipping their political leader as a messiah! Our crazy religious nuts here in the US are also fucking right wing extremist protestants, targeting the same fucking groups as the nazis that our grandads fought 80 years ago. 

Ronnie was the starting point for much of the shit we're dealing with today. Guess who cut social services and mental health funding? Not to mention the rest of the trickledown funflation that cranks up the heat even further on crazies with nothing to lose.

The mental health issue is not as easy to blame on one party. “If an individual is not posing a danger to self or others and is capable of living without state supervision, the state has no right to commit the individual to a facility against his or her will.” O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975)
 

yes you can blame Ronnie but there are a lot of reasons why we have a broken mental health system (see Rosemary Kennedy.) when I was a shit student in law school we talked about how there is no real solution for mentally ill people. We can talk about health care and it being provided for all of us. The vast majority of mass shooters (77% by my calculations and reading shit) have had treatment. Go to therapists. Have sought help. The truth is people scream and rage about mentally ill people but they don’t want what the consequences are: forced drug taking or them being institutionalized permanently or for a long time. There is no pill for someone who just sits and plans to kill people. It’s not so much a political issue as it is: are you prepared to force someone to stay on their medication. To keep them from being violent  and if that doesn’t work are you prepared to keep them in an institution (possibly forever)? I am probably not the best person to be postin right now with the loss of a family member that meant the world to me Sunday night. But the mental health issue is something WAY bigger than both sides want to go into. 
 

Just make it harder to keep guns out of their hands. Again. I am sorry bc I’m not dealing with anything other than grief right now. But I also have friends and family who are mentally ill and struggling. I lost a cousin to suicide last year. Carry on with y’all’s debate but please stop acting like throwing money at the mental health issue is the main issue. It is not. These people are FUCKED in the head. There is not a fix for that. By that I mean mass shooters. So either round them up and lock them up or drug them up (forcibly and continue to drug them up.) and I am not ok with that. This is not a political issue. The gun part is. The mental health issue is way more complicated than either side wants to admit it is. 

Again, my apologies. I’ve been up two nights straight trying to help my cousins deal with the sudden loss of their dad who was amazing in every single possible way and dropped dead watching Rogue One on tv bc he hadn’t seen it and was watching Star Wars on tv and I’m babbling. Sorry I probably should not post for a while. The mental health issue is a lot more complicated and people should stop acting like it’s just about funding or insurance (which we need and it’s awful we are not having ok)

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Someone posted the MAGA process on this above:

1 - he's a brown!  Illegals are murderers!

2 - He can't be a white supremacists, no matter what those tats and everything he posted says!  He's a brown!

3 - it's a false flag psyop by Soros!

Or something to that effect.  It all reaches the conclusion of "if someone spouting evil right wing shit commits a heinous act, it's actually a false flag."  

I know this was asked but *why* is it important to some people that the shooter isn’t a nazi? Is it as simple as people wanting to protect their own?

 

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1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I know this was asked but *why* is it important to some people that the shooter isn’t a nazi? Is it as simple as people wanting to protect their own?

 

that's the biggest indictment here.  why is anyone coming to deflect?  what do you think you are deflecting from?

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12 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

The mental health issue is not as easy to blame on one party. “If an individual is not posing a danger to self or others and is capable of living without state supervision, the state has no right to commit the individual to a facility against his or her will.” O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975)
 

yes you can blame Ronnie but there are a lot of reasons why we have a broken mental health system (see Rosemary Kennedy.) when I was a shit student in law school we talked about how there is no real solution for mentally ill people. We can talk about health care and it being provided for all of us. The vast majority of mass shooters (77% by my calculations and reading shit) have had treatment. Go to therapists. Have sought help. The truth is people scream and rage about mentally ill people but they don’t want what the consequences are: forced drug taking or them being institutionalized permanently or for a long time. There is no pill for someone who just sits and plans to kill people. It’s not so much a political issue as it is: are you prepared to force someone to stay on their medication. To keep them from being violent  and if that doesn’t work are you prepared to keep them in an institution (possibly forever)? I am probably not the best person to be postin right now with the loss of a family member that meant the world to me Sunday night. But the mental health issue is something WAY bigger than both sides want to go into. 
 

Just make it harder to keep guns out of their hands. Again. I am sorry bc I’m not dealing with anything other than grief right now. But I also have friends and family who are mentally ill and struggling. I lost a cousin to suicide last year. Carry on with y’all’s debate but please stop acting like throwing money at the mental health issue is the main issue. It is not. These people are FUCKED in the head. There is not a fix for that. By that I mean mass shooters. So either round them up and lock them up or drug them up (forcibly and continue to drug them up.) and I am not ok with that. This is not a political issue. The gun part is. The mental health issue is way more complicated than either side wants to admit it is. 

Again, my apologies. I’ve been up two nights straight trying to help my cousins deal with the sudden loss of their dad who was amazing in every single possible way and dropped dead watching Rogue One on tv bc he hadn’t seen it and was watching Star Wars on tv and I’m babbling. Sorry I probably should not post for a while. The mental health issue is a lot more complicated and people should stop acting like it’s just about funding or insurance (which we need and it’s awful we are not having ok)

Other countries have crazy people (although I will concede, many of those countries do not have the fomented rage that we have here -- we've really taken that up a notch).

What those countries do NOT have is easy access to firearms, particularly high-capacity firearms.  That's it.  That's the difference.  It's not hard to figure out.

[Pancho 44,860]

Someone on CNN this morning made the point that a Latino joining a pro nazi group is more about finding a place where an incel finally feels superior or something along those lines. I thought that was interesting. 

I kind of have a theory that Blacks and Latinos get indoctrinated by current radical right wing republicans. They can rally around hatred. Radical right republicans hate minority groups and members of that group were most likely ostracized in the way of “You don’t act Black enough” or “why do you talk White” or something like that. It can also be out of embarrassment of your culture. Some of these I personally felt growing up in small ass very red republican Gainesville. It wasn’t until I went to college where I learned more about my culture and how culture has many different facets. 

It also sucks that some Black/Latino/Asian cultures won’t let their children be themselves and instead forces them into a box of what they must be. This also can leave traumatic experiences that cause kids to grow up being fucked up in the head. Couple that with the fact that a lot of Black and Latino families use church/religion as a substitute for therapy (and emotional communication if you’re a Black or Latino male) and it causes all sorts of issues. 

I’m rambling now because i am late for a zoom that I don’t want to get on, but basically it’s pretty easy to see why some Black/Latino/Asian males become part of a group built on hatred of their own culture. 

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6 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

I know this was asked but *why* is it important to some people that the shooter isn’t a nazi? Is it as simple as people wanting to protect their own?

 

I think there's three reasons:

1.  It doesn't fit a convenient narrative, and they need that in their lives.  Brown on Brown violence should be like Black on Black shootings in Chicago, something that can be looked down upon and is apolitical.  Just darker people doing dark shit, below the fray.

2.  Realizing that non-Aryan people can embrace Nazism certainly means they can easily adopt White Nationalism which isn't far throw from modern far-right ideology which means, one could rationally begin to associate them/their values/their actions with a particular party.

3.  Maybe Maroon people (brown and red) weren't in it for the diversity, or the tax cuts, or the federal judicial appointments.  Maybe they've been looking for a place to park their generations-old hatred and the stereotypical outlets weren't available.  Maybe "My fine Hispanic-American over here" was there for a different reason entirely.  

It's a population of 750mm people from International Falls, MN to Tierra del Fuego.  And a landmass from the Rio Grande to Antarctica spanning 7.5mm square miles, half the size of Asia.  You don't think there's internal beefs among our people?  The Nazis exterminated people in a space smaller than El Paso to Houston, who looked so similar-none of us could tell the difference with 90 days and an AI facial recognition program,

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24 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Carry on with y’all’s debate but please stop acting like throwing money at the mental health issue is the main issue. It is not. These people are FUCKED in the head.

You can't keep guns out of "their" hands without keeping guns out of the hands out of every numbnuts who thinks they have the right to possess the most lethal weapons they can get their hands on. Our country has been fucked by the extra-radical wing of an already radical political party, and they opened the floodgates to appease and stoke their low-information voters.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Chopper

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38 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The shooter had multiple nazi tattoos and people are doubting if he was a nazi? Those aren’t the kind of things people get ironically 

It's telling. These people out there - vigorously arguing this guy is not a neo-nazi racist - despite the mountains of evidence.

One has to ask why? yeah? Seems like a lot of self-identication/ownage going on. 

They are emotionally all in on this guy's politics/beliefs not matching their own.

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So in the last month, a lot Texans I know have become experts on Transgenderism, WWII history, Latin American demography, the Asian Lunar New Year, and Mental Health.......in addition their already staggering level of knowledge on ballistics and calibers.  

Say what you want about mass shootings, America is Learning'd. /ralphie

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8 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

 

ehhh, close enough.