Being a shithead in a Sonic parking lot? That's a blasting, by 12 yo with AR type rifle.

[Gatorubet 30185]

21 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

When many of ya’ll talk about common sense gun reform and then in another breath speak of getting rid of them all - you’re clarifying your real intent and I am starting to appreciate that more and more.

Show your work.  That is a typical gun nut BS talking point since I can remember.   You invent it to fight the implementation of gun safety laws.  “You say you are for drunk driving laws, but it is just a slippery slope to your true intent - keeping me from drinking beer in my garage…..look at this Facebook post from some Baptist wanting all drinking banned as proof!!”

[B00M 6413]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So because more people didn't die, we shouldn't discuss how a 12 year old had access to an AR (regardless if he was just in the car with the 20 year old carrying it around) and blew away a sonic employee who was stopping someone from pissing all over restaurant property? You're right, there's nothing worth discussing here, we should delete the thread.

At the end of the day, the 20 year old probably acquired the gun legally. And he thought it was fine to tote it around in the car with a 12 year old. In such a fucked up society with fucked up people, well, maybe we should make it more difficult for people to get ARs. Maybe just make them expensive as fuck. 

But yeah, we shouldn't discuss it because it wasn't a mass shooting. The whole 12 year old with an AR aspect doesn't make it worth analyzing at all. 

I’m pretty sure TK was joking 

[Dahobbs 17522]

4 minutes ago, B00M said:

I’m pretty sure TK was joking 

Unfortunately, no, no he wasn't. 

[YGIFS 19449]

Do they make a ‘Jump to Conclusions’ mat for firearm deaths?

”I have some concerns over a 12 year old with a legally purchased, unsecured AR-15 opening fire in a crowded public restaurant.  And how many more people he could have errantly murdered.”  

skip ahead two spaces to: “this clearly means you want to confiscate all firearms in the U.S.!”  
 

this is terrible, this idea.  

[Brisketexan 105057]

30 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

When many of ya’ll talk about common sense gun reform and then in another breath speak of getting rid of them all - you’re clarifying your real intent and I am starting to appreciate that more and more.

Two points on that.

1) This is just a different version of the MAGAt response of "you calling me racist just makes me more racist."  It is used to avoid ANY AND ALL accountability or work on the underlying issue (racism or, in this case, the fact that we are the most firearm-violent western country by far).

2) Maybe, just MAYBE, grasp the fact that the "fuck it, I'm done, just take them all away" response is natural human exasperation (and one I've been warning about as a gun owner who would like to keep his guns for years).

Think of it this way: American gun owners are a toddler in the house with a new toy drum.  They are banging on the drum when we're sleeping.  Then, when we're on a work call.  Then, when we're trying to have an adult conversation.  We tell the toddler "look, you need to have consideration for others when you play your drum.  You can play it in your room, with the door closed, or you can play it out on the porch.  And you can't get up and play it after bed-time."

Instead of saying "that seems fair," and following these rules....the American gun crowd is acting like a petulant defiant toddler.  Every request to accept a reasonable restriction (keep the drum playing to your room) results in the toddler proudly marching into our home office while we're on a Zoom call, banging away at the drum as loudly as he can.

And the exasperated, responsible adults in the room have had e-fucking-nough.  They're turning to the toddler and saying "goddammit if you can't be responsible with that drum I'm going to take it away!"

The toddler is being a dick.  The toddler would be smart to accept some reasonable limitations that make him a cooperative and decent member of our collective household.  Instead, ADULT AMERICAN GUN OWNERS are acting like toddlers.  And yes, we're heading to a place where the result is going to be the same: the decent, but exasperated, adults in the room are going to take your drum/gun away.  

19 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

That's easy. The practical laws limiting/regulating the sell and distribution of firearms. As designed, our current laws aren't well suited for prevented events or preventing irresponsible people from owning guns. Rather, they are designed to punish those that use firearms irresponsibly after the fact.  

And that's it.  That's it right there.  Keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them at all.  No, no law is perfect.  Yes, some people will find a way around it.  But we also KNOW that things like age limits can be effective (the Uvalde shooter TRIED to acquire an AR before he was of-age; the law stopped it.  Then, he reached the legal age, and got his guns).

Seat belt laws and car safety standards haven't prevented ALL car crash deaths.  But Jesus Christ, compare the rate of fatalities per million miles traveled:  1969: 5.04 deaths; 2019: 1.19.

The knee-jerk response of a majority of the "pro-gun" crowd of "enforce the laws we already have!  And if you ask for anything more, you're really just trying to take away my toy drum!" is going to end up being one of the most counter-productive approaches in American history.  Because the steadfast, obstinate, "fuck you people" refusal to accept ANY new limitations on firearms transfer and ownership will eventually result in the very thing they claim to fear: the rest of the house is gonna take that drum away, smash it, and toss it in the trash.  And the toddler will cry, outraged.....but he'll get zero sympathy because everyone else in the house is sick of his shit.

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Rod Carew

He converted.

[SydneyCarton 48054]

33 minutes ago, B00M said:

I’m pretty sure TK was joking 

He made multiple posts saying the same thing because he was joking was he? Gif yourself there, bud. 

[irishtexan 11512]

 

54 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

If this thread alienates you from wanting better gun safety regulation, then I'll posit you don't really care about gun safety regulation.

[fattyflattie 4639]

58 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

At any rate, I think the "that's a blasting" meme is more about the violent culture that has developed around gun ownership, a culture that didn't really exist 50 years ago, or at least wasn't as ubiquitous and popular among gun owners.  

Violent culture has been ubiquitous with criminals forever. The fact you are labeling criminals as “gun owners” is what has recently changed.  Criminals have owned guns, making them “gun owners” since they’ve existed.   You are attempting to infer these aren’t criminals, but rather “normal gun owners” who are snapping.  I’d posit a gangster having a gun in him for 5 years before having to use it was a criminal the entire time, not the day he actually decided to use the arm.  

[Dahobbs 17522]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Violent culture has been ubiquitous with criminals forever. The fact you are labeling criminals as “gun owners” is what has recently changed.  Criminals have owned guns, making them “gun owners” since they’ve existed.   You are attempting to infer these aren’t criminals, but rather “normal gun owners” who are snapping.  I’d posit a gangster having a gun in him for 5 years before having to use it was a criminal the entire time, not the day he actually decided to use the arm.  

What?

The old man who killed a girl in his drive way is definitely a criminal now. Prior to that he was a "normal gun owner." The man who killed an protester in Austin is now a criminal. Prior to that he was a "normal gun owner." The man who shot a family playing basketball is now a criminal. Prior to that he was a "normal gun owner." 

This is a stupid conversation. 

[Bevo 13560]

Wake me up when they can hit a moving sonic employee with visor and skates with an Uzi.

[High Plains Drifter 11026]

1 hour ago, Handcruser said:

I don’t think that’s true. I, the resident arms dealer, have mentioned multiple times that I favor that.

But it doesn’t matter if we don’t alter other laws. You don’t want to hear that I know - but it just doesn’t matter.

When many of ya’ll talk about common sense gun reform and then in another breath speak of getting rid of them all - you’re clarifying your real intent and I am starting to appreciate that more and more.

 

y'all

Who is against common sense gun reform exactly? Who has advocated getting rid of them all?

 

 

[Brisketexan 105057]

4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Wake me up when they can hit a moving sonic employee with visor and skates with an Uzi.

I presume that's how you level up in some video game the kids play these days, right?

[royiv 9247]

1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

y'all

Who is against common sense gun reform exactly? Who has advocated getting rid of them all?

 

 

It's pointless to engage with the gun morons. They say they're for common sense gun reform all the while tithing to the NRA and voting for Ted Cruz.

[Js1 85269]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

It's pointless to engage with the gun morons. They say they're for common sense gun reform all the while tithing to the NRA and voting for Ted Cruz.

We’re for common sense gun reform! 

Except that

or that

or that

def not that

oh that one…. Is a no-go

 

You know what, this is YOUR fault bc you won’t compromise 

 

[Bevo 13560]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I presume that's how you level up in some video game the kids play these days, right?

Probably. If not, I think we've come up with a good money maker to replace Grand Theft Auto.

[Bevo 13560]

7 minutes ago, royiv said:

It's pointless to engage with the gun morons. They say they're for common sense gun reform all the while tithing to the NRA and voting for Ted Cruz.

A lot of people are for gun reform. However, there is always (not sometimes), always, government creep and that scares the shit out of casual gun owners and hunters and government weary individuals. I think the only way for common sense gun control is by an amendment with specific language to disallow creep: Lawyers would have to say if such a thing exists as creep proof legislation. Best intentions and all that.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

31 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

 I’d posit a gangster having a gun in him for 5 years before having to use it was a criminal the entire time

it was a 12 year old

[Fondren & Main 6700]

Just now, Bevo said:

A lot of people are for gun reform. However, there is always (not sometimes), always, government creep and that scares the shit out of casual gun owners and hunters and government weary individuals. I think the only way for common sense gun control is by an amendment with specific language to disallow creep: Lawyers would have to say if such a thing exists as creep proof legislation. Best intentions and all that.

While I don’t believe guns are the root cause of the problem, Serbia is about to set a huge precedent.  That whole protect from tyranny argument is out the window.  We’re talking about a nation that was embroiled in a major civil war just a few decades ago.  The politicians need to do something or what @Brisketexansaid is correct.  We’ll have no guns and like it soon…

[Js1 85269]

4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

However, there is always (not sometimes), always, government creep and that scares the shit out of casual gun owners and hunters and government weary individuals.

Well except government creep in terms of denying healthcare choices, bodily autonomy, individual freedoms to marry who you want, banning books, banning anything that hurts their feelings being taught in schools

It’s the same circle of people. They are wary of government creep except when they like it. 

[Bevo 13560]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Well except government creep in terms of denying healthcare choices, bodily autonomy, individual freedoms to marry who you want, banning books, banning anything that hurts their feelings being taught in schools

It’s the same circle of people. They are wary of government creep except when they like it. 

The religious right and gun rights people are totally different groups. The Venn Diagram wouldn't look like you are thinking. 

[conVINCEd 21469]

2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

The religious right and gun rights people are totally different groups. The Venn Diagram wouldn't look like you are thinking. 

In my experience, rural white people tend to be both churchy and gunny.

[fattyflattie 4639]

43 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The man who killed an protester in Austin is now a criminal.

The guy who was discussing killing someone thru text with his friend before actually going and killing someone?  Dunno, seems almost premeditated to me. 

44 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The man who shot a family playing basketball is now a criminal. Prior to that he was a "normal gun owner." 

The guy who was out on bail for kidnapping and assaulting his girlfriend with a sledgehammer?  I would put him squarely in the pre-criminal category.  

 

22 minutes ago, Bevo said:

A lot of people are for gun reform. However, there is always (not sometimes), always, government creep and that scares the shit out of casual gun owners and hunters and government weary individuals. I think the only way for common sense gun control is by an amendment with specific language to disallow creep: Lawyers would have to say if such a thing exists as creep proof legislation. Best intentions and all that.

It's almost as if no one wants it bad enough to pass up the pork and get it done.  But, remember, it's all one side. 

11 minutes ago, Bevo said:

The religious right and gun rights people are totally different groups. The Venn Diagram wouldn't look like you are thinking. 

Bingo.  

[YGIFS 19449]

24 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

it was a 12 year old

My god, imagine what a little thug this asshole was when he was 7.  Be all crimin’ ‘n shit.  
 

It’s a miscarriage of justice that fatty’s “certain gun criminals aren’t criminals until they do gun crimes but other other gun criminals have always been criminals even before doing they gun crimes” sound legal thesis is not the jurisprudential bedrock of our penal code.  

[DigglerontheHoof 21175]

12 minutes ago, Bevo said:

The religious right and gun rights people are totally different groups. The Venn Diagram wouldn't look like you are thinking. 

[Captainant 27625]

37 minutes ago, royiv said:

It's pointless to engage with the gun morons. They say they're for common sense gun reform all the while tithing to the NRA and voting for Ted Cruz.

Don't forget, they say that while feigning ignorance over the overt ties and scandals that directly tie russian money and disinformation campaigns to the NRA and very fine folks like sen. cruz.

[Nivek 16916]

15 hours ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

Don't bring a milkshake to a gun fight. 

What if my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard...

[ultimaton 2966]

Another shooting with an AR-15

"Hey, maybe we should limit who can get their hands on this type of gun."

"Oh yeah smart guy, what about Chicago???"

"Well that's horrible too and we should probably do more to prevent that type of gun violence as well."

"AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Now you want to take away handguns!!!! GUN GRABBER!!!!!"

[Dahobbs 17522]

18 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

The guy who was discussing killing someone thru text with his friend before actually going and killing someone?  Dunno, seems almost premeditated to me. 

The guy who was out on bail for kidnapping and assaulting his girlfriend with a sledgehammer?  I would put him squarely in the pre-criminal category.  

 

It's almost as if no one wants it bad enough to pass up the pork and get it done.  But, remember, it's all one side. 

Bingo.  

Again, this is a stupid conversation. Everyone who commits is a crime with a gun is a criminal. What you're trying to do is suggest that because they are "criminals," they don't count as "normal gun owners." I'd like to introduce you to circular reasoning, but it appears you're very well acquainted. 

[wildcat09 29340]

8 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Again, this is a stupid conversation. Everyone who commits is a crime with a gun is a criminal. What you're trying to do is suggest that because they are "criminals," they don't count as "normal gun owners." I'd like to introduce you to circular reasoning, but it appears you're very well acquainted. 

Fatty is well versed in Wilhoit's law.

[TKthunder2 4985]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

He made multiple posts saying the same thing because he was joking was he? Gif yourself there, bud. 

I was not joking. I think our society is in a horrible shape because people can’t talk to each other unless you are on the same side. I think sensible gun reform is needed in this country and I think posts and comments like this hurt rather than help as people are just playing to their base and alienating anyone who remotely disagrees with them.

12 year old shot someone, this is already illegal in multiple ways, and this is what is being sensationalized. If we want to have a rational conversation about why a 20 year old had a AR15 that is a valid but ultimately different conversation.

This is coming from someone who has voted for 3 different political parties in the last 3 presidential elections and has various policy options that don’t conform to a single political party.

Call me as dumbass and vilify a reasonable/rational opinion all you want as that’s what both sides seem to do with divisive issues as it’s easier to play to your base than to have a dialogue that challenges your beliefs and policy preferences.

This is why I don’t go to the CR and why I’m just going to ignore this thread from here on out.

[Captainant 27625]

9 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Call me as dumbass and vilify a reasonable/rational opinion all you want as that’s what both sides seem to do with divisive issues as it’s easier to play to your base than to have a dialogue that challenges your beliefs and policy preferences.

Your reasonable/rational opinion is severely lacking in decades of historical context. Sandy Hook was a decade ago. We decided as a country that we didn't care about mixing children and firearms. Now we are seeing an escalating rate of incidents as the knowledge and motivation to act (Imma use my gun to protect property! Imma use my gun to right a wrong!) is more readily met by the means to act. Every time there's a shooting or major happening in the news, there's a SURGE of gun sales and ammo sales.

We are fucking innundated with guns and angry, uncritical, and unempathetic people raising an army of crotchgoblins as angry, uncritical, and unempathetic as they are. Socially, we're putting stacks of dry wood next to cans of gasoline. 

 

Can't guess how that is likely gonna end? That's a blastin.

[royiv 9247]

15 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

This is coming from someone who has voted for 3 different political parties in the last 3 presidential elections and has various policy options that don’t conform to a single political party.

That's not a badge of honor, friendo.

[Brisketexan 105057]

13 minutes ago, Captainant said:

We are fucking innundated with guns and angry, uncritical, and unempathetic people raising an army of crotchgoblins as angry, uncritical, and unempathetic as they are. Socially, we're putting stacks of dry wood next to cans of gasoline. 

I've related this story before, and it's pretty damned instructive.  Give someone a tool, and they're gonna be inclined to use it.

I was 4.  Got a cool new Tonka fire truck that you could actually hook up to the garden hose, then use the raised ladder/bucket with a hose attachment to spray water, like a REAL fire truck.  I'm outside playing with my awesome new toy.  Dad decides we're going to grill ribs that night.  He lights the charcoal, and heads inside while they cook down to coals.  He comes outside to put the ribs on.  The fire is OUT.  What happened?  Why are the coals all wet?  He starts to get ripshit pissed....my mom hears, comes out, and says "goddamn, you left a 4 year old with a WORKING FIRE TRUCK outside with an open fire.  What the hell did you THINK was gonna happen?"*

We've poured firearms into society to reach a saturation point miles beyond any other civilized country.  A chunk of ANY population will resort to violence using whatever tools are most readily available.  We have made it beyond easy for every living American to acquire all the firepower they want.  And layer on to that the fact that man of the same folks clamoring the loudest for guns for all, everywhere, all the time, are also fomenting harsh division (damned mexicans invading our country, those blacks are just violent types, liberalism is a disease to be eradicated!).  "What the hell did you THINK was gonna happen?"  The result of the recipe here is exactly what any sane person would expect.

 

*It was still a shitty move on my part, four years old or not.  And it meant I didn't get delicious ribs for dinner.  Mom probably boiled some hot dogs or some shit, while my dad understandably seethed.  Shit, maybe I oughta apologize for that next time we get together.

[royiv 9247]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I've related this story before, and it's pretty damned instructive.  Give someone a tool, and they're gonna be inclined to use it.

I was 4.  Got a cool new Tonka fire truck that you could actually hook up to the garden hose, then use the raised ladder/bucket with a hose attachment to spray water, like a REAL fire truck.  I'm outside playing with my awesome new toy.  Dad decides we're going to grill ribs that night.  He lights the charcoal, and heads inside while they cook down to coals.  He comes outside to put the ribs on.  The fire is OUT.  What happened?  Why are the coals all wet?  He starts to get ripshit pissed....my mom hears, comes out, and says "goddamn, you left a 4 year old with a WORKING FIRE TRUCK outside with an open fire.  What the hell did you THINK was gonna happen?"*

We've poured firearms into society to reach a saturation point miles beyond any other civilized country.  A chunk of ANY population will resort to violence using whatever tools are most readily available.  We have made it beyond easy for every living American to acquire all the firepower they want.  And layer on to that the fact that man of the same folks clamoring the loudest for guns for all, everywhere, all the time, are also fomenting harsh division (damned mexicans invading our country, those blacks are just violent types, liberalism is a disease to be eradicated!).  "What the hell did you THINK was gonna happen?"  The result of the recipe here is exactly what any sane person would expect.

 

*It was still a shitty move on my part, four years old or not.  And it meant I didn't get delicious ribs for dinner.  Mom probably boiled some hot dogs or some shit, while my dad understandably seethed.  Shit, maybe I oughta apologize for that next time we get together.

I want that Tonka truck. It sounds awesome.

[SydneyCarton 48054]

2 hours ago, B00M said:

I’m pretty sure TK was joking 

 

39 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

I was not joking. I think our society is in a horrible shape because people can’t talk to each other unless you are on the same side. I think sensible gun reform is needed in this country and I think posts and comments like this hurt rather than help as people are just playing to their base and alienating anyone who remotely disagrees with them.

12 year old shot someone, this is already illegal in multiple ways, and this is what is being sensationalized. If we want to have a rational conversation about why a 20 year old had a AR15 that is a valid but ultimately different conversation.

This is coming from someone who has voted for 3 different political parties in the last 3 presidential elections and has various policy options that don’t conform to a single political party.

Call me as dumbass and vilify a reasonable/rational opinion all you want as that’s what both sides seem to do with divisive issues as it’s easier to play to your base than to have a dialogue that challenges your beliefs and policy preferences.

This is why I don’t go to the CR and why I’m just going to ignore this thread from here on out.

You were saying @B00M ?

[YGIFS 19449]

But if Brisket's mom and dad correct his tonka truck arson arsenal playtime, that means all of us have to give up our Tonka trucks, right?  

That's how felonies work, right?  Anytime we restrict the activity and access of a criminal based on their background, that means nobody can do those activities anymore?  Thats how insurance works, no?  

[Brisketexan 105057]

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

I want that Tonka truck. It sounds awesome.

It was.  it was this bad boy.  Screw the garden hose into the hydrant, connect the hose to the truck, and you were in business:

[YGIFS 19449]

I think connecting it to the hose and the hose to the truck would be more authentically fun.  and you could take your sisters Malibu corvette and smash out the windows to run the toy hose through because that's why we don't park in front of fire hydrants, Barbie! 

[Brisketexan 105057]

3 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I think connecting it to the hose and the hose to the truck would be more authentically fun.  and you could take your sisters Malibu corvette and smash out the windows to run the toy hose through because that's why we don't park in front of fire hydrants, Barbie! 

We all know that Ken was the douche who parked her car there.  That no-dick-having douchenozzle.

Of course, I grew up an only child, so I had to create all of the scenes of drama and tension myself.  Which I did. I'm pretty sure I drowned many a Houston-area fireant mound with that firetruck.  As a public service, of course.

[Beau Vine 54205]

3 hours ago, Handcruser said:

When many of ya’ll talk about common sense gun reform and then in another breath speak of getting rid of them all - you’re clarifying your real intent and I am starting to appreciate that more and more.

How about if you point these people out next time?  You shouldn't have to wait long because it has already been three days since the last mass shooting, so we're overdue for another one.

[Handcruser 2805]

How about if you point these people out next time?  You shouldn't have to wait long because it has already been three days since the last mass shooting, so we're overdue for another one.

Are you unable to complete that task yourself?

[YGIFS 19449]

Ken was the first unsullied warrior of Malibu, don't besmirch his good name!  

Was talking with a guy at church a couple weeks back about firearms (not in mass obviously, afterwards).  Can't even remember which mass shooting we were talking about but I had just read about it that morning in the Sunday paper.  And he made some comment about "well these incidents wouldn't happen if there were more fathers in the house of these young people."  And I pointed out that the kid's dad bought him the weapon for Christmas.  Ah well, nevertheless.  

Weird flex---"Not enough dual parent homes"

"Well, we could fill the void with better education, recreation/sports, health care, therapy, mental wellness, and mentoring."

"Hmmmmm.  Sounds socialist.  Could cheap, easy firearms fill the void instead?"  

I guess a point of mutual agreement then since I have to hear this fucking "fatherless sons" bullshit as often as I have to hear lectures on what AR stands for.  Can we all agree, if you're under 21, you gotta bring proof your parents are still married and he lives at home before you buy a firearm?  That'll solve it right, your logic-not mine.  

Edited May 17, 2023 by YGIFS

[fattyflattie 4639]

39 minutes ago, royiv said:

That's not a badge of honor, friendo.

Go team!!1! 

[texashorne 1177]

Raising the legal age to purchase these types of guns to 25 may have helped here. It would not have helped in Allen, however, there's no silver bullet that's going to get this to stop. But at a minimum, raising the age may prevent some in the future.

[Beau Vine 54205]

7 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Are you unable to complete that task yourself?

I didn't claim these people existed, dumbass.

[fattyflattie 4639]

23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We have made it beyond easy for every living American to acquire all the firepower they want.

True?  Or hyperbole? Checks poster. It’s not true; surprised face. 
 

24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And layer on to that the fact that man of the same folks clamoring the loudest for guns for all, everywhere, all the time, are also fomenting harsh division (damned mexicans invading our country, those blacks are just violent types, liberalism is a disease to be eradicated!). 

Oh, guns crimes are committed by one faction of society?  I wonder if the stats back that up? I’m guessing you’re not going to like which faction more commonly commits crimes with guns.  They aren’t going to be the ones complaining about blacks, anyhow. 

[Brisketexan 105057]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

True?  Or hyperbole? Checks poster. It’s not true; surprised face. 

It's true-er than it was even a year ago.

Prohbiting even someone with a domestic violence order from acquiring a gun?  Nope, now unconstitutional per the SCOTUS in Bruen.

Setting an age limit of 21 instead of 18?   Nope, now unconstitutional per the SCOTUS in Bruen.

We are not making it any more difficult to acquire firearms; we are actively making it EASIER.  The proof is in the pudding (nevermind it being in the legislation of many red states that are also making it easier to carry whatever firearm you want wherever you want).

[YGIFS 19449]

3 minutes ago, texashorne said:

Raising the legal age to purchase these types of guns to 25 may have helped here. It would not have helped in Allen, however, there's no silver bullet that's going to get this to stop. But at a minimum, raising the age may prevent some in the future.

No that means you want to take away all guns.  

I shot guns before 25 but never had a desire to own one.  My first clue I wasn't ready to own a gun was a buddy of mine asked me to help him pick out an assault rifle to buy in grad school.  But Enterprise wouldn't rent us a Kia to drive to go buy it.  Because we were 23 and fucking dumb.  

[Brisketexan 105057]

5 minutes ago, texashorne said:

Raising the legal age to purchase these types of guns to 25 may have helped here. It would not have helped in Allen, however, there's no silver bullet that's going to get this to stop. But at a minimum, raising the age may prevent some in the future.

A red flag law that maybe, oh, I dunno, made it harder for someone who was actually drummed out of the military for being a psycopath to acquire an AR, might have helped.

But we can't have that either.  There is not a single gun regulation, not a single one, that the gun crowd won't find a reason to shoot down.  They SAY that are for/agree with common-sense regulation, but whenever ANY is proposed, they 1) say "no, not that one," and 2) never, ever offer an alternative that would address whatever "concern" they claim to have with the proposed regulation.