Being a shithead in a Sonic parking lot? That's a blasting, by 12 yo with AR type rifle.

[Dahobbs 17522]

22 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

People can be drafted there.   That’s the rub. 

Yes. They can be. That doesn't mean they should be allowed to do anything or everything. We don't allow them to drive a car without a license (or insurance). Rental car companies don't allow them to rent a car. They don't automatically have the right to a legal license, a medical license, or commercial driver's license. They aren't allowed to run for President. They aren't allowed to serve in the Senate. And they aren't even allowed to serve in the House. 

19 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Is the 24 year old rental car thing a law or a policy for some of the rental car companies?

What does it matter? Again, why does their ability to be drafted imply they should also be allowed to own guns? 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Dahobbs

[conVINCEd 21469]

12 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Is the 24 year old rental car thing a law or a policy for some of the rental car companies?

Policy, and they used to waive it if it was an insurance claim, no idea if they still do, but your regular 19 year old can’t walk in, plunk down a credit card and proof of insurance, and walk off the lot with a mustang convertible.

[Nivek 16916]

3 hours ago, B00M said:

So they’re citizens, adults, they can serve in the military, they can vote for politicians that vote for war, they’re more likely than any other group to be a victim of crime, but they can’t own any gun until 25? 

yes.   Also, what is the typical age of a weapon wielding criminal?  

['stache 21792]

Angel Gomez? Cool name bro, 2A doesn't apply, death penalty, fast tracked if the 12 yo is mentally retarded.

[YGIFS 19449]

3 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Policy, and they used to waive it if it was an insurance claim, no idea if they still do, but your regular 19 year old can’t walk in, plunk down a credit card and proof of insurance, and walk off the lot with a mustang convertible.

Fun fact:

Enterprise Rental Cars is one of the largest employers for new college graduates (hence their sponsorship of so many college sporting events).  Their management training program at the branch level employs literally tens of thousands of new graduates every single year.  But those assistant branch managers can't rent cars from their own company since most of them are ~23yo.

Not so fun fact:

The simulation is angry at us.  So we're probably a few months away from a 18-21 year old shooting up a car rental place because they wouldn't rent him a Ford Focus for the weekend.  But at least we'll shift the conversation from bullet caliber to "Hey, maybe the optional insurance will cover the burial expenses.  And hey, he pre-paid for the gas at least."  

[fattyflattie 4639]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Angel Gomez? Cool name bro, 2A doesn't apply, death penalty, fast tracked if the 12 yo is mentally retarded.

I’ll bet you dollars to donuts he’s out from this charge by the time he’s 25

[Da Fino 2772]

17 minutes ago, royiv said:

The draft argument is a really dumb one, but it’s really shooting to the top of the charts lately. Last time I checked, there hasn’t been a soul drafted in this country in 50 years.

Thanks goodness for jobless 18 year olds. 

[Deej 76752]

47 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Policy, and they used to waive it if it was an insurance claim, no idea if they still do, but your regular 19 year old can’t walk in, plunk down a credit card and proof of insurance, and walk off the lot with a mustang convertible.

Easy fix

 

[YGIFS 19449]

"We'd like to offer you a complimentary upgrade to either a Ford F-250 or the assault rifle of your choosing, Mr. Papagiorgio?""  

[Gil Bang 25907]

4 hours ago, B00M said:

So they’re citizens, adults, they can serve in the military, they can vote for politicians that vote for war, they’re more likely than any other group to be a victim of crime, but they can’t own any gun until 25? 

and when they are in the military, they aren't given a fucking loaded gun to carry in their car.  They are under STRICT supervision at all times.  They handle the gun extensively before they are allowed to fire it.  They are trained up the fucking asshole before they ever fire a round.  Their issued rifle is locked away in an armory when they aren't under the direct supervision of their superiors. So take that argument and stick it right up your asshole. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Gil Bang

[conVINCEd 21469]

20 minutes ago, Deej said:

Easy fix

 

To be fair, he wasn’t renting those cars, he owned them.  Now, he’s probably gonna have some issues on the back end with titles, taxes, registration, and insurance, but movies are allowed a little poetic license.

[Beau Vine 54205]

Has Abbott demanded that the 12-yo be pardoned yet?

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

Has Abbott demanded that the 12-yo be pardoned yet?

The adult was light brown, so probably not.

[wildcat09 29340]

7 hours ago, royiv said:

That's not a badge of honor, friendo.

Yeah, I've got a lot of a criticisms of both parties (many more of one than the other, of course), but if you can't figure out where you stand vis a vis the two existing parties in modern America, that's a you thing, not a them thing.

[Don Johnson 4752]

2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

 What does it matter? 

Because you used it as a comparison to a proposed law, and those companies would abandon that policy in a second if it helped their bottom line. And I never said a thing about being drafted. 
 

I’m not against it, per se, but just can’t think of any age restrictions above 21 in this country.  I wish we could put a 24 year old age restriction on about 100 other things as well. 
 

That said, there are millions of 23 year olds that fully support themselves, live on their own, have families, etc. 

[YGIFS 19449]

There are lots of things you can't do until past 21, even up to 25.  

Hold federal office, adopt a child, rent a car, be a commercial airline pilot, be a driving instructor, get a CHL in some states, operate a pot dispensary, donate sperm, certain motor vehicle class licenses, volunteer for the UN, and about ten thousand private and public sector jobs which will not allow anyone under 25 to hold that post.  

On top of that, there are tens of thousands of state and municipal laws that allow "financial discrimination" by private sector of people between 18-25.  Even if some of those "rights" are 'constitutionally protected.'  Hotels can charge more, insurance companies can charge more, banks can charge higher interest rates, car loans can be higher, credit rating agencies can bump them down just for being of a certain age, even property owners can rightfully refuse to lease them a rental just because of their age.  

For the very simple reason, men 18-25 are fucking morons.  How some of you don't fucking remember this, nor our constitution is fucking beyond me.  They literally discussed, "Well, many of us will only live to be 50...you still want to set age limits at 25 or 35 for federal office?"  And they all agreed, "Fuck yes, i'm 28 right now and I'm still fucking balls out crazy."  Then they wrote the Bill of Rights and didn't add an age restriction to the 2A because we needed every abled bodied boy above 12 to grab a musket and get to Anglicide.  

Edited May 18, 2023 by YGIFS

[Dahobbs 17522]

14 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

I’m not against it, per se, but just can’t think of any age restrictions above 21 in this country.

I literally just gave you some. President, senate, house. All require ages 25 or above. 

The rest of your post all ignores that I was primarily responding to someone other than you. Go read the rest of the conversation. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Dahobbs

[Beau Vine 54205]

40 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

I’m not against it, per se, but just can’t think of any age restrictions above 21 in this country.

Rental cars?

[YGIFS 19449]

35 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Because you used it as a comparison to a proposed law, and those companies would abandon that policy in a second if it helped their bottom line. And I never said a thing about being drafted. 
 

I’m not against it, per se, but just can’t think of any age restrictions above 21 in this country.  I wish we could put a 24 year old age restriction on about 100 other things as well. 
 

That said, there are millions of 23 year olds that fully support themselves, live on their own, have families, etc. 

And speaking of the military and age.  Other than some old-timey battlefield commissions, you have to be well over 25 to make O-3.  Well over 30 to make O-4.  And so on...and I think those are government employed people with big guns protecting our 2A freedoms.  Never mind the E-xx rates.  

In addition to ages, we also have lots and lots of robust background and mental health screenings for many of the aforementioned rights and jobs.  

I know Fondren&Main and Handcruser expressed very deep and sincere concern for my mental health.  I've completed a number of background checks by the FBI, DPS, and UT System Police Force for myriad jobs.  And for the last two years, at the request of the U.S. Dept. of the Navy and the U.S. Dept. of the Air Force (as well as NOAA and NASA), I had to undergo serious mental health screenings by DIA and DCSA.  Deep, serious shit.  And that's so I can just look at satellite images of ocean water.  But I'm totally free to open carry military-grade weapons into the clinic where I gave the blood for it without any oversight whatsoever.  They did think it was really cool that I got this new biometric pistol from a former CO of JSOC.  That scored me some points. 

But if you really think everybody over 21 can be whatever the fuck they want in America, you haven't been paying attention.   

[Doc Sam Beckett 5792]

6 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

The truth will set you free.  Remember that when you repeat the same little white lies you seem so fond of on the next thread.  Like the last 50 threads. And yea, 30mm and A-10s.   How about barrels shorter than 16".  Shotguns without buttstocks.  Any other of the dozens of benign rules that don't help paint your picture of reasonable.

I'm nit picking hyperbole that's being expressly used to sway political opinion, from someone who ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVICALLY knows the difference, and knows what they are doing.  I would think purposely LYING would be considered shitposting, but I get it, he's on your team.  Aren't you against JuSt AsKiNg QuEsTiOnS types of bullshit clouding discussions?   

Yes a child used an AR15 that was on his buddies seat.  The same child would have used whatever firearm was on that seat, full stop.   But him using an old 870 or 9mm doesn't paint the right picture of a child with a SA rifle shooting up the Sonic.  

@DigglerontheHoof love you too.  All going to be made up on the gun thread sweetheart. 

Lulz wtf...

[fattyflattie 4639]

All that hate going to burn y’all up and they’re still be ~20m legal, grandfathered ARs floating around.  

[YGIFS 19449]

Well, All the time you spend trying to get back what's been took from you, more is going out the door.  After awhile you just have to try to get a tourniquet on it.  

Eventually we gotta try something.  We didn't just stop at the Model-T and think, "no point in traffic laws or safety requirements, too many cars already on the road."  Somehow we and the new Oldsmobiles are still here.  

[wild_turkey 3159]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

All that hate going to burn y’all up and they’re still be ~20m legal, grandfathered ARs floating around.  

I'd rather live in a country with 20m ARs floating around than live in a country 10 years from now with 30m ARs floating around.

This whole argument about "We've already sold too many ARs so why stop now?" is the biggest fucking bullshit of all. It's basically admitting defeat as a society and allowing all of our prior shortcomings to dictate our future. Fuck off with that shit.

[Brian Fantana 6678]

I'm glad that I have numerous traffic violations in my past so that the gun nuts can point to me and say "well, duh, he was a criminal!" after I haul off and blast my neighbor for ringing my doorbell.

[Dahobbs 17522]

7 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I'd rather live in a country with 20m ARs floating around than live in a country 10 years from now with 30m ARs floating around.

This whole argument about "We've already sold too many ARs so why stop now?" is the biggest fucking bullshit of all. It's basically admitting defeat as a society and allowing all of our prior shortcomings to dictate our future. Fuck off with that shit.

Sunk cost fallacy. 

[YGIFS 19449]

^good term for it.  

"Well, any new measures would mean they're coming for our 20mm AR-15's!"

-No, all existing legal purchases would remain in the hands of the owners.  

"Ah-ha, so you're gonna make a registry of all us owners!"

-No, these measures would be geared towards new sales and illegal sales.

"Well what's the point, there's already 20mm AR-15's out there.  What's a few more in the name of Freedoms?!?!?"

-We gotta start somewhere so as to make a small dent in mass shooting deaths in places like churches, stores, and malls where people just happen to have to be.

"What about Chicago?!?!?!?"

-Again, that's mostly, almost completely, gang-on-gang violence that doesn't really permeate out into school hours

"FERAL HOGS!"

Two things on my obviously bizarre internal dialogue:

1.  We go through all the same tropes on every shooting thread.  I'm guilty of it, we all are.  But none of us really pauses to think, "Same bullshit arguments from the other side, every single week!"  If it feels like we've had dragged these same, tired cliche arguments dozens of times...maybe that alone should make us realize, "Oh, I guess every time I get annoyed at somebody's weak discourse...it's because another dozen people buried their kids.  Weird coincidence."

2.  I propose we retire the term "mental gymnastics" when offering critique of a policy position we don't agree with.  I just saw another tub of shit, cosplay incel near the Capitol yesterday open carrying (totally legal, not saying he was up to anything bad) who is right in the Armalite target market (pun intended) who looked like he had a hard time pushing the walk button at the stoplight.  And while waiting on green, I realized, while he is definitely "Mental" in the British sense...there is nothing about this guy that suggests "Gymnastics" other than he'd probably molest some young vaulters if given the chance.  

Y'all have a good Friday.  My background check from the Five Eyes came back tip-top yesterday.  And there'll be two mass shootings this weekend not in Chicago.  Stay tuned.

[Js1 85269]

7 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Y'all have a good Friday.

Okay but what about Thursday? Try not to get shot 

[YGIFS 19449]

This is America, motherfucka.  Thursday is "You're on your own Day!"  Strap the fuck up!

Monday is Mental Health Day.

And I think Tuesday or Wednesday of next week will make one year from Uvalde.  With any luck, the anniversary news and tributes will make at least one of those officers swallow a bullet so at least we can mark the occasion with some good news and a half-off Sonic Blast.  

[texashorne 1177]

15 hours ago, Nivek said:

yes.   Also, what is the typical age of a weapon wielding criminal?  

This. It's definitely under 25. Raising the age to 25 is common sense reform we are all clamoring about. 

[Snake Diggity 4619]

21 hours ago, Nivek said:

What if my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard...

My milkshake brings a young boy with an AR

[YGIFS 19449]

^

Well it's not even 8:30a and I've already read the creepiest fucking sentence I'm gonna read all day.  Thanks dude.

[Chooky 13307]

Imagine living in an apartment with these people. Even a round to grow on at the very end. This is going great. 

 

[Deej 76752]

"So I can get an AR round on my burger?"

"That's correct, sir. This is Sonic."

*this is how you Sonic...woo, woo...*

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Deej

[dcbc 14465]

On 5/17/2023 at 11:57 AM, royiv said:

I want that Tonka truck. It sounds awesome.

I had one, but it was the budget model and didn't hook up to the hose.  But that extension ladder was awesome.

[SydneyCarton 48054]

12 hours ago, Chooky said:

Imagine living in an apartment with these people. Even a round to grow on at the very end. This is going great. 

 

That's the most Ohio thing I can imagine. But sadly, Texas and Florida are worse. 

Those parents should lose their kids. 

[Homercles 10205]

So…left a loaded gun near kids, apparently a round in the chamber with safety off (or a Glock?), randomly in a sofa, walking around shirtless and then seemingly firing it again picking it up?  What the FUCK.  

I only have a couple rifles, shotguns and a Ruger .22 pistol that were handed down to me.  They’re in a gun safe, unloaded with the only ammo a box of bird shot, and the key is in a lockbox in my closet…and I’m still wondering if I should even have them.  

I bet this shit happens all the time but only gets reported when someone dies or calls the cops.  Those parents should lose their guns, kids in temporary foster care, and broadcast their faces nightly on the news…but

So he gets 10 days jail time and a $150 fine

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/04/12/video-shows-child-shooting-gun-found-in-couch-cushion-man-pleads-guilty-to-charges-in-case/

Also says the safety and magazine ordinances are being challenged by multiple lawsuits.  Because of course 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Homercles

[YGIFS 19449]

That last screenshot still should be on a billboard on every highway entering Ohio.  

"Ohio.  Sure this is questionable parenting, but at least the kid wasn't reading no queer as books.  So the boy stays!"  

And just questioning the insanity level of those moronic parents is to many, an indication all guns are to be rounded up by a tyrannical government.  Kinda hard to take up arms against an oppressive regime when you're trying to pry your weapon from your kid's cold, dead hand.

[Nivek 16916]

That place is disgusting. Was the dog pit bull? I need to thank my parents.

[YGIFS 19449]

I think the mom was at least half pit-bull, or has certainly let one fuck her at some point.  

"Ma!  I need change for lunch!"

-Check the sofa cushions!

"I found something that looks like nickel."  

 

Were this in Texas, they'd be Foster Care Parents of the Year by Tuesday.

[RDCanecutter 26379]

21 hours ago, Chooky said:

Imagine living in an apartment with these people. Even a round to grow on at the very end. This is going great. 

 

I feel like I am looking at Fallen Amish.

[Pam Cummings 9639]

On 5/17/2023 at 9:13 PM, fattyflattie said:

All that hate going to burn y’all up and they’re still be ~20m legal, grandfathered ARs floating around.  

What in the everloving fuck are you babbling about? Yeah, man. Dumbfucks with guns are going around shooting people for no reason. And i "hate" that that is happening. How fucking weird of me.

[fattyflattie 4639]

8 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

What in the everloving fuck are you babbling about? Yeah, man. Dumbfucks with guns are going around shooting people for no reason. And i "hate" that that is happening. How fucking weird of me.

I was just reminding the folks that like to flip off every post I make that all that anger is going to eat them up, and for no reason. 

[YGIFS 19449]

4 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

I feel like I am looking at Fallen Amish.

Dibs on "Fallen Amish" for band name or producer rights to documentary about yet another Waco youth minister revealed as child molester

4 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I was just reminding the folks that like to flip off every post I make that all that anger is going to eat them up, and for no reason. 

I don't think you're getting that much neg rep.  I've given you some pos rep because while we're both probably owners and more pro-2A than most, and you have some batshit crazy policy positions, you're at least trying to engage and dialogue and that's not nothing.  I think these types of conversations are doubly frustrating for us because most of us are Texans.  Most of us are highly educated.  Most of us own weapons.  And we can debate tax policy and energy policy and foreign policy and be within an arm's reach of some shit.  But we get to this one and it just gets weird.  And I would just encourage us to take a step back and suggest that while we get pissy about rehashing the same shit every time...................just take note of how frequently we have to rehash it.  I got some serious thoughts on Nuclear Energy, Whaling, Skyscraper construction regulations, and the rating of PG-13 & R movies.  But that shit only comes up once a decade.  We do this every fucking week and have fun dealing out pos and neg rep without stopping to acknowledge how often we bitch at one another in circles while people lower tiny caskets into the Earth.  

[fattyflattie 4639]

2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

the rating of PG-13 & R movies.  But that shit only comes up once a decade.  

I now have to know your thoughts on this.  
 

You strike me as a man who has also realized, that if he raises his daughters like Gen X’s, they can take over the world.  

[Homercles 10205]

Went to pickup some RR Donuts this morning, dude standing there with his five young kids while wearing an American flag t-shirt with an assault rifle superimposed over it.  All I could think of was that video.  

Like it or not, true or not, all these shootings and ‘come and take it’ fervor are leading me to be very weary around anyone that looks the part.  He was too young for the ‘goatee, Oakley’s, balding’ look but give it another decade or so.  

[YGIFS 19449]

I mean, I'd actually be more comfortable if he was just carrying a single assault rifle instead of a creepy shirt with guns all over it.  Reminds me of the Chris D'Elia bit about holy communion at church.  "The only thing creepier than a dude with an AR-15 is the dude with the pretend AR-15's."   

I bet he wears that to gun shows and Jeremy Piven has to tell him, "Man, don't be the guy who wears the t-shirt of the band he's going to see..."  

[crash_davis 23096]

12 yr old dipshit found guilty. Sentencing is later this week.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/texas-sonic-murder-18417395.php

A 12-year-old boy from Texas has been found "the equivalent of guilty" of murder for the shooting death of a Sonic employee in Keene, according to officials. The Johnson County Sheriff's Office shared the verdict on social media on Sunday, October 8. 

Officials said the jurors deliberated nearly seven hours before finding the young boy "delinquent" on Thursday, October 5. The boy, who's from Fort Worth, was arrested on May 13 after police received multiple calls about a shooting at the Sonic Drive-In in Keene, about 40 miles southwest of downtown Dallas.

[shadow_operative2.0 15944]

And another one. 

Quote

The manager of a Sonic restaurant died after being shot by a customer, according to Texas police and news reports.

The San Antonio Police Department said the 33-year-old manager was involved in an argument outside the restaurant’s drive-thru around 9:30 p.m. Sunday, July 7.

He was arguing with a customer over a food order, police told KENS 5 and MySA, and officers said the customer “pulled out a gun and shot the victim.”

As the gunman fled the restaurant, the manager walked back inside, where he collapsed, police said. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police have not publicly released the identity of the victim. Officers called it an active murder investigation.

Investigators were hoping to get a description of the shooter through surveillance footage, KABB reported. 

[Bevo 13560]

School Principal Has Pregnant Teacher Executed

Cornelius M. Green, 42, a former middle school principal, was handed two life sentences in federal prison for a murder-for-hire scheme that resulted in the death of 30-year-old teacher Jocelyn Peters and her unborn child, Micah Leigh. The sentencing occurred on June 25, 2024 in the Federal District Court of St. Louis, Missouri.

Despite being married, Green was entangled romantically with Peters, who was seven months into her pregnancy carrying his child. Green enlisted his old friend, Phillip J. Cutler, for the murder and used $2,500, embezzled from a fundraiser at Carr Lane Visual and Performing Arts Middle School where he worked, to pay Cutler. This money was transferred to Cutler via UPS, using the school as the return address.

Cutler, on March 24, 2016, drove Green’s car to Peters’ residence on West Pine Boulevard, St. Louis. With keys given by Green, he entered the apartment and shot Peters in the head while she was sleeping. He used a potato as a makeshift silencer for the gunshot. It was disclosed by prosecutors that Green had made sure there were potatoes in the apartment by shopping with Peters just days before the killing.

Green had taken an Amtrak train to Chicago on the day of the murder to create an alibi, leaving his car and Peters’ apartment keys with Cutler. After the murder, Green called Peters’ mother and asked her to check on Peters, fully aware of what she would discover. “The depravity of asking a mother to go find Jocelyn’s body, knowing she was dead, can’t be matched,” noted Assistant U.S. Attorney Tiffany Becker during the sentencing hearing.

An investigation into the case revealed that Green had initially tried to end Peters’ pregnancy by secretly poisoning her. After this attempt failed, he resorted to murder. Peters was unaware that Green was still married and was involved with several other women. Federal prosecutors also stated that Peters was oblivious to Green’s attempts to poison her.

At the sentencing, several individuals addressed the court, expressing their grief and shock. Peters’ mother spoke of Green, who should have been a protector, becoming her daughter’s killer. She stated that Peters had deeply loved him, adding that Peters “loved that baby so much.”

Dr. Nicole Conaway, the principal of Mann Elementary School where Peters taught there, highlighted the impact of Peters’ death on her students and coworkers at the hearing. “He literally stole from children to pay for killing his own child,” Conaway said. “I will never forget the pain in their eyes. This trauma will follow them for the rest of their lives.”

Green pled guilty in February to one count each of conspiracy to commit murder-for-hire and murder-for-hire. Cutler, found guilty of the same charges, also received two consecutive life sentences. Both men will spend the rest of their lives in federal prison.

The crime’s aftermath has had a profound effect on Peters’ family and the school community. “Jocelyn had a light around her at all times,” Dedra Peters, Jocelyn’s cousin, said. “She made a lasting impression on everyone she met.” The death of Peters has left her family in a state of “emptiness and heartbreak.”

[BigDHornfan 6545]

JFC.