GOP pretend fiscal restraint, and fucking the US economy and 401K's

[Js1 85112]

McCarthy is letting enough of the toddlers bitch for the optics but it won’t get stalled in the Rules committee

 

[bolverk 29405]

 

[horn4life 3755]

On 5/28/2023 at 5:45 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

He has no balls. 

Oh McCarthy has Balls.  He just lets MTG take care of handling one of them, by keeping it in her pocket.  Sort of like my buddy who I have nicknamed "Juan Pelota." 

Now like I said, how many Dems is it going to take to be able to get a bill through the GOP controlled house? That lets the bomb throwers in the GOP vote no, and lament not causing catastrophic harm to our nation.  50? 60?

And once again Biden is the big dicked naked guy walking over to McCarthy while he is tying his shoes at the gym...

Edited May 30, 2023 by horn4life

[SydneyCarton 47884]

1 minute ago, horn4life said:

Oh McCarthy has Balls.  He just lets MTG take care of handling one of the.  Sort of like my buddy who I have nicknamed "Juan Pelota." 

 

Now like I said, how many Dems is it going to take to be able to get a bill through the GOP controlled house? That lets the bomb throwers in the GOP vote no, and lament not causing catastrophic harm to our nation.  50? 60?

And once again Biden is the big dicked naked guy walking over to McCarthy while he is tying his shoes at the gym...

I'm guessing 80-85% of the dems vote for this, particularly since it's quite the raping of McCarthy over the terms. Clawing back MAYBE 10 Billion of the 80 Billion IRS funding that wouldn't have existed before the D's got it approved in the first place...that's a fucking win. The only D's who wont vote for it are the most progressive of the progressive.  And it wouldn't surprise me if 100% of the Ds vote for this because, well, it sends a message that one side cares about governing. 

[Js1 85112]

3 minutes ago, horn4life said:

Now like I said, how many Dems is it going to take to be able to get a bill through the GOP controlled house? That lets the bomb throwers in the GOP vote no, and lament not causing catastrophic harm to our nation.  50? 60?

Enough. Convincingly. This deal is going to pass bc McCarthy + Jeffries and Turtle have the votes 

[hobbes2702 12847]

7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm guessing 80-85% of the dems vote for this, particularly since it's quite the raping of McCarthy over the terms. Clawing back MAYBE 10 Billion of the 80 Billion IRS funding that wouldn't have existed before the D's got it approved in the first place...that's a fucking win. The only D's who wont vote for it are the most progressive of the progressive.  And it wouldn't surprise me if 100% of the Ds vote for this because, well, it sends a message that one side cares about governing. 

They should vote for it 100% for exactly the reason you said

[nbmishoid 941]

2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

They should vote for it 100% for exactly the reason you said

Well, my rep Jayapal has made her complaints on behalf of the progressive conference.  I wish she would see the power of this reasoning.  It strengthens the demo case nationwide.  She doesn’t need to score any more points for Seattle progressives.

[hobbes2702 12847]

Just now, nbmishoid said:

Well, my rep Jayapal has made her complaints on behalf of the progressive conference.  I wish she would see the power of this reasoning.  It strengthens the demo case nationwide.  She doesn’t need to score any more points for Seattle progressives.

Exactly. I’m not saying she’s wrong to have complaints or anything but this is just too easy to win

[wildcat09 29258]

Once it passes, they should mercilessly pummel the GOP with ads that (accurately) accuse them of only caring about wealthy tax cheats.

[Js1 85112]

 

[G650 14107]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

She might wanna lay off the sides and dessert. Maybe have a salad every once in awhile

[TwiceHorn 31283]

On 5/25/2023 at 12:14 PM, wildcat09 said:

There's conflicting rules of construction (one that basically says "including" doesn't imply a limitation to what it states, and one that provides for the exact opposite, because the law is fake), but the actual language refers to paying for both (1) pensions and (2) bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion. I think it'd be pretty hard to make a good case that "including" as used there was meant to be limiting, because those two aren't really at all similar.

Also, there's no reason POTUS can't say "SCOTUS thinks it means X, but I think it means Y, and I have a Constitutional duty to follow the Constitution as I understand it."

There's also some issues with the phrase "authorized by law."  The spending is authorized by law, but so is the debt ceiling.  And what the hell does "questioned" mean?

[TwiceHorn 31283]

7 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm guessing 80-85% of the dems vote for this, particularly since it's quite the raping of McCarthy over the terms. Clawing back MAYBE 10 Billion of the 80 Billion IRS funding that wouldn't have existed before the D's got it approved in the first place...that's a fucking win. The only D's who wont vote for it are the most progressive of the progressive.  And it wouldn't surprise me if 100% of the Ds vote for this because, well, it sends a message that one side cares about governing. 

Raping, raking, whatever it takes.  I'm good with raping McCarthy on coals.

[SydneyCarton 47884]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Raping, raking, whatever it takes.  I'm good with raping McCarthy on coals.

I never mentioned coals. 

[Js1 85112]

It passed rules. Dems voted against but they’ll vote for it on the floor to pass it. It was already going to pass rules so no need for Dems to vote for it to get it out 

 

[F250 28691]

2 hours ago, G650 said:

She might wanna lay off the sides and dessert. Maybe have a salad every once in awhile

I am pretty sure MTG subsists off of boiled owl bones and frogs.

[horn4life 3755]

These sort of battles do show the extremes of both parties pretty clearly. Both are harmful to compromise, because they believe their "purity" is more important than actually getting shit done.

The Big Difference?  The GOP is the party of NO!  And because of this they allow their extreme members to take control of the party BECAUSE of their willingness to never compromise.  Indeed that's why you cannot negotiate with Republicans, because they simply always have to renegotiate with the extreme of their party, who KNOWS the power of simply saying NO! in the GOP.

The GOP elevates the extremist bomb throwers, because the Republicans do not have any principles beyond personal power.  Personal power, not representing the people is now the only principle the GOP represents. There is no other.  This twisted desire for personal power, above serving the country is what allows the extreme of the GOP to force Kevin McCarthy and our country into dangerous waters.  Because Kevin's personal power as leader is more important than actually being able to lead!  How fucked up is that?  So here we are.  The Republicans that ALWAYS add to the deficit at a faster pace than their Democratic counterpart are howling at the moon in protest... for paying the bills they charged at the tax cut trough. Only destruction can please a large portion of the GOP.  And how the fuck do you negotiate anything when the other side EMPOWERS the most extreme members of their party rather than mute them?

Hilariously the very gerrymandering the GOP has used to lock in seats, is what now prevents them from legislating.  Because the GOP elevates it's crazies, and the Dams... not so much.

[SydneyCarton 47884]

11 hours ago, Js1 said:

It passed rules. Dems voted against but they’ll vote for it on the floor to pass it. It was already going to pass rules so no need for Dems to vote for it to get it out 

 

I still don't know why the democrats didn't vote for it in committee. Like, what point are they making? Particularly when they'll all vote for it today. 

[Js1 85112]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I still don't know why the democrats didn't vote for it in committee. Like, what point are they making? Particularly when they'll all vote for it today. 

Because traditionally, the minority party doesn’t help pass things out of committee. 

[SydneyCarton 47884]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Because traditionally, the minority party doesn’t help pass things out of committee. 

That's fucking stupid. If you're going to fucking vote for it, vote for it all the way through. Fucking stupid circus sideshow bullshit. 

[Foosters 17734]

Curios to see the economic impact, if any, when student loan payments resume in August. They've been suspended for over 3 years, and I know that many (myself included) have been living/spending like that monthly obligation doesn't exist.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

12 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Curios to see the economic impact, if any, when student loan payments resume in August. They've been suspended for over 3 years, and I know that many (myself included) have been living/spending like that monthly obligation doesn't exist.

Given that many borrowers have needed those funds for rising costs, I doubt many have the funds in their monthly budget. When the payments restart they will struggle even more to find the monthly money.

Not to mention that credit card debt has skyrocketed WHILE some people have had their student loan debt repayment paused. Financial restraint has not been followed by many recently, and in many cases it's understandable given inflation.

Regardless, I believe it's better if student loan repayment is restarted. The unfortunate part is that Congress seems uninclined to do anything about college costs. It's more important, to them,  to transfer wealth from the young to the old via high tuition.

[Foosters 17734]

Yea, going to be about a 2.5k monthly hit for our family....

Edited May 31, 2023 by Foosters

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

I have a family member who consistently needs "help" almost every month to pay his other bills. I can't imagine what he will need when his student loans start up again. I need to proactively tell him my financial problems that don't exist.

[Js1 85112]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

That's fucking stupid. If you're going to fucking vote for it, vote for it all the way through. Fucking stupid circus sideshow bullshit. 

Oh here we go again. No matter what the Dems do, they can’t win with y’all. It’s not their job to bail out McCarthy after he stacked the rules committee with nut jobs. It’s McCarthy’s compromise bill, it’s his party’s responsibility to pass it in committee and get it on the floor. It’s not the Dems’ job to govern for the wackos. They are now free to vote aye on the vote that matters - the floor vote. 

[SydneyCarton 47884]

28 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh here we go again. No matter what the Dems do, they can’t win with y’all. It’s not their job to bail out McCarthy after he stacked the rules committee with nut jobs. It’s McCarthy’s compromise bill, it’s his party’s responsibility to pass it in committee and get it on the floor. It’s not the Dems’ job to govern for the wackos. They are now free to vote aye on the vote that matters - the floor vote. 

1.) That's not even remotely close to the message there.
2.) No it's not their job to bail out McCarthy...but this is fucking stupid. Because if one of them DID have to bail out McCarthy, they absolutely fucking would have done it, and you know it. So some stupid posturing of unity against the opposing party is fucking stupid. It's what the OTHER party does all the fucking time, to the detriment of the fucking country and society at large. But the fact I'm shitting on it when my team does it is out of bounds? Fuck right off with that stupid take.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

15 hours ago, G650 said:

She might wanna lay off the sides and dessert. Maybe have a salad every once in awhile

oh, she tosses plenty of salads alright

[Biff Tannen 45499]

So when SHOULD this actually pass and end this moron show?  In a sane world I mean. 

[RDCanecutter 26282]

13 hours ago, F250 said:

I am pretty sure MTG subsists off of boiled owl bones and frogs.

I would have thought uncooked Hot Pockets and stolen Taco Bell mild sauce packs.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

16 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I would have thought uncooked Hot Pockets and stolen Taco Bell mild sauce packs.

she strikes me as a mayo is spicy kind of person/thing

Edited May 31, 2023 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Js1 85112]

20 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

she strikes me as a mayo is spicy kind of person/thing

[Js1 85112]

39 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So when SHOULD this actually pass and end this moron show?  In a sane world I mean. 

House later today. Senate should take it up tomorrow. I think the new default date is June 5 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Js1

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

1.) That's not even remotely close to the message there.
2.) No it's not their job to bail out McCarthy...but this is fucking stupid. Because if one of them DID have to bail out McCarthy, they absolutely fucking would have done it, and you know it. So some stupid posturing of unity against the opposing party is fucking stupid. It's what the OTHER party does all the fucking time, to the detriment of the fucking country and society at large. But the fact I'm shitting on it when my team does it is out of bounds? Fuck right off with that stupid take.

I agree with this take. 

If you're willing to vote for the full bill, I don't see much of a  reason not to vote it out of committee unless you think it not passing committee will actually put you in a better negotiating position. I guess that is a possibility, although it doesn't seem very likely based on what we know. 

[horn4life 3755]

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I still don't know why the democrats didn't vote for it in committee. Like, what point are they making? Particularly when they'll all vote for it today. 

Because they wanted the disingenuous Republicans to vote for the bill THEY held the country hostage for.  Otherwise there is not a majority of Republicans who would vote for it.

Think about that for a second.  The hostage taker negotiates a ransom, then won't fucking take the negotiated deal!  Without the children of the hostage help them carry off  the ransom.  Fucking crazy. 

[Js1 85112]

47 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I agree with this take. 

If you're willing to vote for the full bill, I don't see much of a  reason not to vote it out of committee unless you think it not passing committee will actually put you in a better negotiating position. I guess that is a possibility, although it doesn't seem very likely based on what we know. 

It’s not their job as the minority to put the bill on the floor. That would be Kevin and his merry band of morons. If he was going to bow down and kiss the Vienna sausage toes of MTG and her caucus to get the job, then it’s HIS job to get the bill on the floor. 

There’s also the likelihood that a bill that came out of committee solely due to Dem votes would die on the floor. At least now the toddlers can vote for the bill their party put forth. 

[horn4life 3755]

Just to give you a visual of how UNREPRESENTATIVE GOP congressional districts are, take a quick look at Purity crusader Chip Roy.  A fucking rock(R) could win in a district (like all Texas districts) designed to give rural racists a much greater say than is reality.  Hopefully young people will keep voting and we can get representative government at least to some degree again.  And I will be JUST as critical of Dems if they do this sort of shit.  But the Dems are not elevating Bomb throwers in these sorts of districts like the GOP does.

[Brisketexan 104628]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

I would have thought uncooked Hot Pockets and stolen Taco Bell mild sauce packs.

Ummm, good sir, those are not stolen.  They are sitting out in a bin, there for the taking by the consumer.  If I simply require more backup Taco Bell sauce than the average consumer, you shouldn't judge me.

[RDCanecutter 26282]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Ummm, good sir, those are not stolen.  They are sitting out in a bin, there for the taking by the consumer.  If I simply require more backup Taco Bell sauce than the average consumer, you shouldn't judge me.

They're stolen if you clatter in on cloven feet, buy nothing, scream that the kid at the register is a crisis actor, then stuff handfuls of them in your rectal pouch before rampaging out again.

Edited May 31, 2023 by RDCanecutter

[Brisketexan 104628]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

They're stolen in you clatter in on cloven feet, buy nothing, scream that the kid at the register is a crisis actor, then stuff handfuls of them in your rectal pouch before rampaging out again.

Fair take.

Bitch wouldn't even make a token purchase off the value menu.

[Biff Tannen 45499]

1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

ey're stolen in you clatter in on cloven feet

Holy shit I’m dying. You owe me a beer because half of mine was spewed onto the table at crown and anchor. 

[RDCanecutter 26282]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Holy shit I’m dying. You owe me a beer because half of mine was spewed onto the table at crown and anchor. 

My man.

[Brisketexan 104628]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

beer because half of mine was spewed onto the table at crown and anchor. 

Way to humbelbrag, motherfucker.  Would kill for a Crown and Anchor lunch.

[Dahobbs 17447]

15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It’s not their job as the minority to put the bill on the floor. That would be Kevin and his merry band of morons. If he was going to bow down and kiss the Vienna sausage toes of MTG and her caucus to get the job, then it’s HIS job to get the bill on the floor. 

There’s also the likelihood that a bill that came out of committee solely due to Dem votes would die on the floor. At least now the toddlers can vote for the bill their party put forth. 

I understand this is your view. However, I don't believe this is how government should operate.

[RDCanecutter 26282]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Way to humbelbrag, motherfucker.  Would kill for a Crown and Anchor lunch.

Lunch? Biff's been there all day.

[Biff Tannen 45499]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Way to humbelbrag, motherfucker.  Would kill for a Crown and Anchor lunch.

I mean, they’re open. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

On 5/29/2023 at 1:04 PM, Js1 said:

They probably have 60-75 no votes. They can whine and bitch but 150 GOP + the Dems pass it easily 

Most of the Dems. I can imagine a few...

And a couple of days later

 

[TexEx15 17487]

 

[Js1 85112]

16 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I understand this is your view. However, I don't believe this is how government should operate.

It shouldn't.  But one side is a bunch of toddlers who are terrified of their base if they are seen passing a "Democratic bill" that came out of a GOP committee with a majority of Dem votes.  

It's also gamesmanship by McCarthy - he's in trouble enough for compromising, but the optics of this bill passing committee with only GOP opposition would basically be him delivering his head on a platter to the HFC.

He's fucked either way.  It's beautiful. 

[Biff Tannen 45499]

13 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

He is widely considered, even among his own kind, a very dumb, DUMB, individual. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Biff Tannen

[Pancho 44487]

R rep (Dusty Johnson from SD who seems moderate based on his answers) was just on MSNBC and said yes, it’s going to pass. They are basically letting radical R’s yell at clouds to get it out of their system.