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  On 7/2/2018 at 3:50 PM, RandomIdoit said:

How are you drawing this conclusion from what was said? 

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He said that abortion is murder and should be illegal except in cases of rape, incest etc.. Which is akin to saying, you should not be allowed to murder an innocent child, unless it's father is a rapist, then it's OK to murder the criminal's innocent child. 

For what it's worth, I am as pro-choice as they come, I'm just trying to expand the thought experiment. 

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:05 PM, Lagunamadre said:

He said that abortion is murder and should be illegal except in cases of rape, incest etc.. Which is akin to saying, you should not be allowed to murder an innocent child, unless it's father is a rapist, then it's OK to murder the criminal's innocent child. 

For what it's worth, I am as pro-choice as they come, I'm just trying to expand the thought experiment. 

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This is, of course, exactly correct. And just like he did a few pages ago, he will pretend to miss the point so he doesn't have to confront the reality of his position despite how obvious it is.

If you believe that a fetus is a young child with rights, but that abortion is okay in the case of rape, then you believe:

Young child - not okay to kill

Young child whose father is a rapist - okay to kill

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:05 PM, Lagunamadre said:

He said that abortion is murder and should be illegal except in cases of rape, incest etc.. Which is akin to saying, you should not be allowed to murder an innocent child, unless it's father is a rapist, then it's OK to murder the criminal's innocent child. 

For what it's worth, I am as pro-choice as they come, I'm just trying to expand the thought experiment. 

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I think a lot of people who are pro-life (not all though) would change their view if their wife or daughter was impregnated as the result of incest or rape.  To me, those are the exceptions along with the mother's life at risk and some medical condition that would lead to the child living an awful life or suffering.

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:13 PM, Huckleberry said:

This is, of course, exactly correct. And just like he did a few pages ago, he will pretend to miss the point so he doesn't have to confront the reality of his position despite how obvious it is.

If you believe that a fetus is a young child with rights, but that abortion is okay in the case of rape, then you believe:

Young child - not okay to kill

Young child whose father is a rapist - okay to kill

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Just because YOU don't think there are exceptions, doesn't mean there aren't for others. Do you think I am the only person who has this view? 

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:19 PM, RandomIdoit said:

Just because YOU don't think there are exceptions, doesn't mean there aren't for others. Do you think I am the only person who has this view? 

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Nobody is saying that you are alone in this view.  They are just pointing out the absurdity in the logic behind it.

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:15 PM, RandomIdoit said:

I think a lot of people who are pro-life (not all though) would change their view if their wife or daughter was impregnated as the result of incest or rape.  To me, those are the exceptions along with the mother's life at risk and some medical condition that would lead to the child living an awful life or suffering.

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Sure, they would not want to be inconvenienced (physically, emotionally, financially, etc.) by having that child, so they would abort it, even thought they might think it's wrong in general. Different women will have different feelings on where that inconvenience line is, for some rape, for others it might be a 17 year old rich white girl losing her virginity to a crack head at a rave whose baby will cost her a spot in the Theta house at SMU. For others it might be her and her boyfriend are flat our broke and know they can't support a child. For others it might be that the doctor told them the fetus is damaged and the child will be born with no eyes and one foot. There are a thousand different reasons why the discovery of a zygote will result in a women (or couple) deciding that the physical, emotional and financial burden of having a child is unbearable and rather than create a dependent with nobody to depend on, they'd rather deal with the emotional stress of removing a cluster of cells from their body. It's a choice that should left to the mother, not the government. 

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I think both sides of the argument rest on opinion over true logic. 

If it's a "choice" would it be acceptable in the last trimester if the parents didn't want a girl?

If it's a baby at conception, it shouldn't matter if it's rape, incest, whatever. It either has rights or it doesn't. You can't have exceptions.

(FWIW, I'm pro-choice, but for pragmatic reasons)

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:30 PM, RandomIdoit said:

Absurd to you. Perfectly logical to a lot of the people I ask.

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So why don't you just admit it? You believe that it is okay to kill a young child for a crime that the father committed.

As I've said before, this is a morally reprehensible position to hold. And you continue to be hung up on your theory that I don't believe that it's your position or that other people have the same opinion. Again, that's not the case. I believe that you have this horrific opinion.

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:38 PM, Huckleberry said:

So why don't you just admit it? You believe that it is okay to kill a young child for a crime that the father committed.

As I've said before, this is a morally reprehensible position to hold. And you continue to be hung up on your theory that I don't believe that it's your position or that other people have the same opinion. Again, that's not the case. I believe that you have this horrific opinion.

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How many times do I have to say that I think it is acceptable for a woman to have an abortion if she was raped? I have said that over and over in this thread. You may hate it, but I do not think that it is wrong. 

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  On 7/2/2018 at 5:07 PM, RandomIdoit said:

How many times do I have to say that I think it is acceptable for a woman to have an abortion if she was raped? I have said that over and over in this thread. You may hate it, but I do not think that it is wrong. 

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are you always this slow on the uptake?  username absolutely checks out.

we all understand you think it is acceptable for a woman to have an abortion if she was raped.

we just think it is funny that you think there is some supportive "logic" behind the notion that it is awful to kill a baby unless its father was a rapist.  it is okay to murder that baby just to pay for the sins of its father.

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  On 7/2/2018 at 6:13 PM, sidis said:

are you always this slow on the uptake?  username absolutely checks out.

we all understand you think it is acceptable for a woman to have an abortion if she was raped.

we just think it is funny that you think there is some supportive "logic" behind the notion that it is awful to kill a baby unless its father was a rapist.  it is okay to murder that baby just to pay for the sins of its father.

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Are you this slow on the uptake? Huckleberry asked:

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So why don't you just admit it? You believe that it is okay to kill a young child for a crime that the father committed.

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He is implying that I am denying or ever denied this. I have not at all. I have always maintained that it was okay to abort the baby who is the product of rape. It's okay not to as well.

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  On 7/2/2018 at 6:18 PM, RandomIdoit said:

Are you this slow on the uptake? Huckleberry asked:

He is implying that I am denying or ever denied this. I have not at all. I have always maintained that it was okay to abort the baby who is the product of rape. It's okay not to as well.

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You must be a fan of those multi-generation North Korean work camps as well. 

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  On 7/2/2018 at 4:13 PM, Huckleberry said:

This is, of course, exactly correct. And just like he did a few pages ago, he will pretend to miss the point so he doesn't have to confront the reality of his position despite how obvious it is.

If you believe that a fetus is a young child with rights, but that abortion is okay in the case of rape, then you believe:

Young child - not okay to kill

Young child whose father is a rapist - okay to kill

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You gave a solution that you claimed to have always supported, yet when I ask for your ethical reasoning as to why you support that approach you fail to give any.   I'm sure you have thought about the ethical implications of your proposed solution to at least some degree & have some rational basis that you feel supports it (as you don't strike me as the type who arrives as conclusions arbitrarily) and you are also willing to discuss the moral aspect of this subject at length on this thread.  So why not share your reasoning?  

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man, talk about a perfect analogy...i was hoping someone brilliant would come along and so nicely analogize abortion with such simple eloquence.

nicely done, lucid!

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Don't care to scroll through pages of people arguing about abortion, but here's a good analysis on why it's a moot point.  Won't stop the scare tactics, but still.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-abortion-scare-campaign-1530573972?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/Xao1AF51wF

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Posted
  On 7/9/2018 at 10:39 PM, Message Board User said:

"God bless abortions."  Sickening.

Democrats and the left need to put a muzzle on this waste of carbon ASAP.  And that voice...why would anyone choose to hear her speak?

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Because if they do put a muzzle on those who support abortion rights, I'm sure you will become very supportive of their side. lol fuck off

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It’s weird to say this, but I actually think the Democrats have pretty solid strategy right now. The message has become, “5th Justice = imminent repeal of Roe v. Wade,” and I actually think it has stuck with the general public, regardless of how realistic it may or may not be.

It’s a pretty easy and effective message that (per recent polls) puts the Democrats on the same side as 2/3 of Americans, and “Look what happens when you put Republicans in charge” should be easy to carry into midterms.

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Posted
  On 7/9/2018 at 10:39 PM, Message Board User said:

"God bless abortions."  Sickening.

Democrats and the left need to put a muzzle on this waste of carbon ASAP.  And that voice...why would anyone choose to hear her speak?

 

 

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Muzzling/silencing women seems like a solution to you?   Fuck your feelings snowflake.    

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