Ozark- Netflix

[henrygandorf 29197]

you could’ve just said someone ran them off the road. 

[troph 24914]

Enjoyed it only complaint too short and too long of a wait. I waited what was it 2 years for 5 nights of TV? Booo…

[Texzilla58 4744]

Enjoyed it only complaint too short and too long of a wait. I waited what was it 2 years for 5 nights of TV? Booo…

The writers are still trying to figure out what the fuck to do to wrap this fucker up.

[Buzzrock 14949]

The private dick looks too much like the gay FBI agent. It’s weird.

[jeevsie 3740]

I think he just needs a signature. 
 

Also: “I’m sorry, whoever you are”

[Patrick Bateman 3933]

So...... they finally figured out the whole Darlene thing, which was the stupidest arc of the show and made no sense why she wasn't just killed back in season 2.  Glad Wyatt gotten taken down too, what a pathetic schmuck.  But now, I love that the leader of a Mexican Drug Cartel is roaming around the Ozarks killing people of his own hand.  No henchmen?  No sicarios?  Talk about unrealistic.  Exchange one ridiculous lark for another.  

 

[Texzilla58 4744]

So...... they finally figured out the whole Darlene thing, which was the stupidest arc of the show and made no sense why she wasn't just killed back in season 2.  Glad Wyatt gotten taken down too, what a pathetic schmuck.  But now, I love that the leader of a Mexican Drug Cartel is roaming around the Ozarks killing people of his own hand.  No henchmen?  No sicarios?  Talk about unrealistic.  Exchange one ridiculous lark for another.  
 

It’s pretty stupid. Bout as stupid as the kc mob boss driving over alone to talk to Darlene about her deal with jr and to “ask” for the bucks she owes him. The sheriffs all working these cases alone; they have detectives in those counties.

[Knoxtnhorn 6066]

On 1/29/2022 at 1:03 PM, Buzzrock said:

The private dick looks too much like the gay FBI agent. It’s weird.

I kept thinking it was Chris Isaak.

[Texzilla58 4744]

I kept thinking it was Chris Isaak.

I asked my wife if that was Chris Isaak.

Still hard to believe that The Chris Isaak Show is not available anywhere anyway. No streaming. No dvd.

[shadow_operative 15932]

here's a breakdown of this this thread:

15% of the posts- "this show is still better than 90% of the crap that's available to watch these days."

the other 85% of the posts: irrefutable proof that that ^^^^ is not true. 

there's plenty of good tv/streaming options out there. don't let the fact that you like a show trick you into convincing yourself that it's better than it is. this show S-T-U-P-I-D. it's ok if you like it, but stop lying to yourselves about this idea that it's still better than most shows. it's not.

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10362]

6 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

here's a breakdown of this this thread:

15% of the posts- "this show is still better than 90% of the crap that's available to watch these days."

the other 85% of the posts: irrefutable proof that that ^^^^ is not true. 

there's plenty of good tv/streaming options out there. don't let the fact that you like a show trick you into convincing yourself that it's better than it is. this show S-T-U-P-I-D. it's ok if you like it, but stop lying to yourselves about this idea that it's still better than most shows. it's not.

 

[Pam Cummings 9684]

Yeah i bailed on this show after season 2. I tried to watch season 3 and just couldn't. The writing is so bad. It reminded me of a show like Weeds or Dexter that started off really good and had promise and then just fell off a cliff. But at least those shows had multiple good seasons before they did that.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10362]

Ozarks was great Seaons 1-3.... this season part 1 is meh.... kept wanting to watch, kept wondering were all the originals writers went.

Only reason to continue to watch part 2 is because I'm invested from great first 3 seasons.

 

Overall good entertaining series with some great acting thrown in.... but I really hope they can somehow salvage a good ending to the series.

[Gene Parmesan 4016]

I like it.  It's a guilty pleasure show.  I mean it's always been absurd as far as realism goes, I don't know why everyone is complaining now.  

[Texzilla58 4744]

I like it.  It's a guilty pleasure show.  I mean it's always been absurd as far as realism goes, I don't know why everyone is complaining now.  

Agreed. We watch ebmverything with Bateman because he’s such a great actor. I think the writers think this isn’t a mob show but a horror flick. I don’t really like any character on here; everyone is some form of crook or psychopath.

[Chopper 17292]

Most underrated part of the show was Ruth making a single trip to Chicago, speaking to one potential customer for heroin, purportedly a full-time chef, and he's able to buy so much product that the next day they have millions of dollars in proceeds to launder.

[zman13 180]

On 1/29/2022 at 12:06 AM, Patrick Bateman said:

1.  Because if conversations in any type of story telling, but especially in fiction didn't give the reader/listener/watcher some type of insight, whether into plot, character, or timing, then it would be a worthless conversation.  So, you want to watch a bunch of worthless conversations because of your interpretation of realism?  I guess and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong in regard to this specific show, but that would be some boring shit.

 

2.  Spoiler -- if you haven't watched by now, then don't read.  Because Claire Shaw (isn't that a terrible name) only has a temporary fix from Marty and still needs the Mexican product to continue offsetting expenditures to help her books.  It does her no good to piss off an obviously very volatile personality in Javi so she gives him some information but not all of it.  She can't risk permanent shutdown.  She gives him enough to stay trustworthy enough but still gives the Byrds an opportunity to create or tweak a narrative they'll need to keep Javi supplying.  And lastly, she's a little intimated by Javi and that was hinted at in the scene where she tells Wendy about meeting him in the garage.

I agree that my idea of realism could definitely vary from others. Maybe I've watched too many shows/movies where characters who are reluctant to talk about their crimes actually don't talk about it. Ozark is similar to the movies where they rely on a climatic court scene with a crafty lawyer who gets another person to confess to the crime and frees their client! Sure it could happen and probably does once in while, but I'm guessing it's pretty rare. Usually the guilty party shuts up. 

About the Shaw/Javi interaction - Javi is refusing to supply Shaw because of the FBI raids on his trucks. She buys from another source. At this point, unless I missed it, Javi is still refusing to supply Shaw.

Shaw could 1) continue to buy from Darlene 2) start buying more expensive product from Madagascar again or 3) hope that Javi starts supplying again.

Shaw chooses to rat out the Byrds and cuts off the supply from Darlene. Javi is still refusing to supply Shaw. So by ratting out Darlene, Shaw is hoping that the Byrds can smooth things over with Javi and he'll start supplying Shaw again. She didn't even ask for that. Shaw just gave up Darlene and put all of her eggs in one volatile basket. She may hope that the Byrds can smooth things over and get the supply from Javi going again. He's already screwed her over by refusing to supply over an issue that Shaw has no control over - how does Shaw know that Javi won't do it again in the future? Seems like a bad business decision to choose a volatile, threatening Javi (currently not supplying) vs Darlene (already supplying). And if she's really intimidated, she has her own murderous psychopath she can send to eliminate Javi. 

The show has characters like Shaw make dumb choices to advance the plot and create more puzzles for the Bryds to get out of. The whole Shaw supply was a series of dumb choices to create drama. 

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

1 hour ago, zman13 said:

I agree that my idea of realism could definitely vary from others. Maybe I've watched too many shows/movies where characters who are reluctant to talk about their crimes actually don't talk about it. Ozark is similar to the movies where they rely on a climatic court scene with a crafty lawyer who gets another person to confess to the crime and frees their client! Sure it could happen and probably does once in while, but I'm guessing it's pretty rare. Usually the guilty party shuts up. 

About the Shaw/Javi interaction - Javi is refusing to supply Shaw because of the FBI raids on his trucks. She buys from another source. At this point, unless I missed it, Javi is still refusing to supply Shaw.

Shaw could 1) continue to buy from Darlene 2) start buying more expensive product from Madagascar again or 3) hope that Javi starts supplying again.

Shaw chooses to rat out the Byrds and cuts off the supply from Darlene. Javi is still refusing to supply Shaw. So by ratting out Darlene, Shaw is hoping that the Byrds can smooth things over with Javi and he'll start supplying Shaw again. She didn't even ask for that. Shaw just gave up Darlene and put all of her eggs in one volatile basket. She may hope that the Byrds can smooth things over and get the supply from Javi going again. He's already screwed her over by refusing to supply over an issue that Shaw has no control over - how does Shaw know that Javi won't do it again in the future? Seems like a bad business decision to choose a volatile, threatening Javi (currently not supplying) vs Darlene (already supplying). And if she's really intimidated, she has her own murderous psychopath she can send to eliminate Javi. 

The show has characters like Shaw make dumb choices to advance the plot and create more puzzles for the Bryds to get out of. The whole Shaw supply was a series of dumb choices to create drama. 

I can tolerate a bunch of unrealism if there is some internal consistency. What gets annoying about Ozark the Byrde's ability to get out of all kinds of jams by having characters act inconsistently. It really started S1E1 when Del decided to spare Marty at the auto salvage place over an Ozarks brochure and then spares he and Wendy subsequently after Marty lied to him about Wendy knowing about the business. Marty continually talks his way out of ridiculous situations by pure power of persuasion although he rarely is decisive and constantly waffles.

Darlene was an even crazier example of this and Ruth to a lesser degree. If the cartel, the mob, and others acted consistently, no way they survived as long as they have. Speaking of Shaw - have a hard time believing that character they way she is presented decides "buying heroin from a drug cartel seems like a great idea."

[Texzilla58 4744]

I can tolerate a bunch of unrealism if there is some internal consistency. What gets annoying about Ozark the Byrde's ability to get out of all kinds of jams by having characters act inconsistently. It really started S1E1 when Del decided to spare Marty at the auto salvage place over an Ozarks brochure and then spares he and Wendy subsequently after Marty lied to him about Wendy knowing about the business. Marty continually talks his way out of ridiculous situations by pure power of persuasion although he rarely is decisive and constantly waffles.
Darlene was an even crazier example of this and Ruth to a lesser degree. If the cartel, the mob, and others acted consistently, no way they survived as long as they have. Speaking of Shaw - have a hard time believing that character they way she is presented decides "buying heroin from a drug cartel seems like a great idea."

The whole Shaw arc is ridiculous. I’m now running a multi hundred billion $ big Pharma company because my brother fucked up with strong arm marketingbof a painkiller. ( just call them Sacklers). I am under DEA and DoJ pressure to do the right thing. So I get a call out of the blue from old friend Wendy who now runs strip joints and seedy casinos who has a seriously crazy idea to buy top grade opiates from the cartel instead of my legal source, the cost of which doesn’t matter because I pass it on to the retail chain. OK it’s because I want to do good. Yeah right. Did they ever say why Shaw needed to save $150m? The Sacklers weren’t hurt at all in real life. And why would the FBI make a deal with a psycho like Javi? Even if Wendy said it was the right thing to do. I wanted Maya to shoot her in the face right there.

In real life I have always believed the path to killing the cartels and Chinese roles in the drug trade would be to bring some afghan war lords over where they were growing opium in rocks and have them grow it in the fertile earth of the plains and flood the market with better shit, with a usda seal. I’d also have had those Aggies working on some new weed as well; if they can make a 1015 onion and a habanero as hot as a carrot by god they could make some bodacious Texas weed.

[Buzzrock 14949]

I’m pretty impressed with how Charlotte is transforming into Wendy Jr. It’s good acting.

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

13 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

I’m pretty impressed with how Charlotte is transforming into Wendy Jr. It’s good acting.

Agreed. She's a bright spot in Season 4 and arguably the most likable character: she seems to be the only one that is smart and has some basic emotional intelligence as well as not being completely self-absorbed.

[Texzilla58 4744]

Agreed. She's a bright spot in Season 4 and arguably the most likable character: she seems to be the only one that is smart and has some basic emotional intelligence as well as not being completely self-absorbed.

She’s also a stone cold killer. She gave her brother the stink eye when he asked if she would kill him.

[Sbbruin 21899]

Not reading above to avoid spoilers, but through ep 4 of S4 and while I still like it, they are pushing the boundaries of credibility.  Better tighten it up, people.

[Texzilla58 4744]

Not reading above to avoid spoilers, but through ep 4 of S4 and while I still like it, they are pushing the boundaries of credibility.  Better tighten it up, people.

You haven’t gotten to part yet where the lake of the Ozarks monster eats the casino boat, Darlene gets a spread in Playboy, and Wendy is elected president. It’s a busy three episodes you got left. Oops sorry…

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

25 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Not reading above to avoid spoilers, but through ep 4 of S4 and while I still like it, they are pushing the boundaries of credibility.  Better tighten it up, people.

I mean if you can get past a reasonably good looking 18-year-old dude falling in love with a road hard, put up wet 60-year-old psychopath you can believe anything!

[HoustonFrog 368]

She’s also a stone cold killer. She gave her brother the stink eye when he asked if she would kill him.

Marty, Ruth and Charlotte and maybe Omar are the only things keeping this show together/watchable

[Guest]

So not quite through the entirety of the fourth season, but man they've turned it into something laughable. Watched the scene where Wyatt goes to break up with Darlene and in seven seconds ends up wanting to get married. I literally had the Seinfeld reaction to it:

This show reminds me of Lost. So good and intriguing... and then starts spinning a web they can't get out of.  Wasn't the entire point to get out of Chicago and be able to wind things down and get out of money laundering? And now they want to control midwest politics?

Darlene has a well-timed heart attack? A Sheriff and a well-known lawyer are missing and the only heat it brings is from a private eye and a billboard? A multi-national pharmaceutical company is buying heroin from some backwoods farm in Missouri under the table? A mom is trying to get her son arrested for some "juvenile delinquent money laundering"? 

[Gene Parmesan 4016]

44 minutes ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

I mean if you can get past a reasonably good looking 18-year-old dude falling in love with a road hard, put up wet 60-year-old psychopath you can believe anything!

Darlene is 70 in real life.  She's a psychopath but not bad for 70. 

[henrygandorf 29197]

2 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Darlene is 70 in real life.  She's a psychopath but not bad for 70. 

[Guest]

Let the debate begin:

[Guest Lobo]

The actress who played her younger version season 2 is insanely hot.  But you never see her in any other shows.  

[66BUFF 2565]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Let the debate begin:

Jaclyn Smith age 76

[mchookem 16411]

4 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

So not quite through the entirety of the fourth season, but man they've turned it into something laughable. Watched the scene where Wyatt goes to break up with Darlene and in seven seconds ends up wanting to get married. I literally had the Seinfeld reaction to it:

This show reminds me of Lost. So good and intriguing... and then starts spinning a web they can't get out of.  Wasn't the entire point to get out of Chicago and be able to wind things down and get out of money laundering? And now they want to control midwest politics?

Darlene has a well-timed heart attack? A Sheriff and a well-known lawyer are missing and the only heat it brings is from a private eye and a billboard? A multi-national pharmaceutical company is buying heroin from some backwoods farm in Missouri under the table? A mom is trying to get her son arrested for some "juvenile delinquent money laundering"? 

i like the Lost analogy. also like Lost, at this point i'm invested in several characters so i'll stick around until the end. 

['stache 21892]

I can’t even offer any real analysis. I don’t understand anyone’s thoughts or motivations beyond the first superficial domino. They set something up, then it feels like dramatic improv. A bunch of random scenes sewn together, but even improv often has some basic logic tying them together, these scenes don’t. Maybe worst of all is that Marty is the worst liar I’ve ever seen, shifty eyes, not confident in what he’s saying, and nobody in the show seems to notice. His son seems intent on seeing his parents killed, and thinks being nice to Ruth will keep him alive? I need to stop there, so much confusion swirling again. I’ll finish the final chunk when it comes out,  because I guess I have to because I hate myself. I need a drink and I’m going to bed.

Edited February 3, 2022 by 'stache

[kevwun 15936]

The most unrealistic part of this season was Marty wiping Jonah's entire money laundering operation clean in literally 90 seconds.  #2 was Cosgrove going to Darlene's house alone.

Edited February 3, 2022 by kevwun

[Sbbruin 21899]

On 2/1/2022 at 8:08 PM, 'stache said:

I can’t even offer any real analysis. I don’t understand anyone’s thoughts or motivations beyond the first superficial domino. They set something up, then it feels like dramatic improv. A bunch of random scenes sewn together, but even improv often has some basic logic tying them together, these scenes don’t. Maybe worst of all is that Marty is the worst liar I’ve ever seen, shifty eyes, not confident in what he’s saying, and nobody in the show seems to notice. His son seems intent on seeing his parents killed, and thinks being nice to Ruth will keep him alive? I need to stop there, so much confusion swirling again. I’ll finish the final chunk when it comes out,  because I guess I have to because I hate myself. I need a drink and I’m going to bed.

Yeah, I'm about the same place.  Writing seems like it was hastily done.  Trying to get too complex makes it outlandish.  I am looking forward to the shootout at the OK Corral between Ruth and Javi.  

[Scraps 13584]

Can they kill Jonah already?  

He is going to be the only one who survives isn't he?  

[Ted Lange 16144]

If the dudes who ran the ending of Game of Thrones into the shitter were involved Jonah would end up being the head of the cartel.  

['stache 21892]

Ruth is a great actress but even her character is wearing on me. I'm also upset that Darlene got shot in the chest and not between the eyes with her head exploding because god damned she was awful in so many fucking ways.

[Red Five 40907]

So Ben is totally still alive right? Wendy came back from the morgue and told Marty "it wasn't him". Um yeah, he's dead. Supposedly. Marty saw his dead body. Supposedly. Am I missing something from that scene?

[Quagmire 2147]

Bet they saved a lot of money on the show by never having anyone turn the lights on in their houses

[Quagmire 2147]

Bet they saved a lot of money on the show by never having anyone turn the lights on in their houses

[Rip76 4967]

29 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Ruth is a great actress but even her character is wearing on me. 

Me too.

[4th&Five 41602]

[Prepuce of Doom 21110]

On 2/1/2022 at 2:11 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

Let the debate begin:

 

[gernblansten 3197]

[Scraps 13584]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

So Ben is totally still alive right? Wendy came back from the morgue and told Marty "it wasn't him". Um yeah, he's dead. Supposedly. Marty saw his dead body. Supposedly. Am I missing something from that scene?

For as predictable as most of this show is, I thought that Wendy was going to go positively ID him(even though it wasn't him) that way they could sweep his whole death/disappearance away.  When pops was there it threw that theory out the window.  

[Guadaloopy 11023]

1 hour ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

 

Do not besmirch the great Wynn Duffy by comparing him to this hag.  

[Chewbacca 7787]

On 1/27/2022 at 5:06 AM, Knoxtnhorn said:

Lulz.

Ruth:  Do you ever just lose your keys or does everything have to be Defcon 5?

Marty: (something about Defcon 1 being a bigger deal)

.

.

.

Ruth: Why the fuck would they make Defcon 1 more serious than Defcon 5?

Ruth:  I don't know shit about fuck.

Perhaps my favorite line from this series.

[UT_OB1 2225]

Wife and I had no idea this season was 2 parts. We just watched the last 2 episodes, thinking we were wrapping up the series. And then it cuts away at Ruth’s face when I’m thinking they are going to hastily wrap up. My expectations were definitely subverted.