Could orange foam save the game we love?

[Oakbrook 67]

Ballistic gel material.  Hmmm . . .

What happens when you put this in a football helmet.? Maybe do away with the hard shell and return to something like leather helmet made of gel cloth!

Could this turn the tide of wussification of the game?

Too good to be true?

At least it’s the right color - if not the right shade.

<Now I attempt a link>

https://apple.news/ABnX_q7ZkQdu2TAzsIU8Qag

 

gt -

 

[6th Street 6390]

 

[BornOrange 1441]

aggy scientists are frantically working on a maroon version.

[Oakbrook 67]

Exactly my response.

i’m imagining shoulder pads the size of epaulets, uniforms looking more like they did in the 1920’s.  Those would be some serious throw back uni’s.

ob-

 

Edited June 30, 2018 by Oakbrook

[phdhorn 6224]

We're gonna need bigger helmets.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

19 minutes ago, BornOrange said:

aggy scientists

Best joke of all time. /thread

[Gucci_Suit 2643]

OU sucks

[BornOrange 1441]

OK, OK

I should have said:

aggy is frantically working on a maroon version

 

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

4 minutes ago, BornOrange said:

OK, OK

I should have said:

aggy is frantically working on a maroon version

 

The problem they're gonna run into is the contents of jizz jars and sheeps blood still wont dye anything maroon.

[CooterBrown 18004]

Can’t see shit captain.

How does it slow down an impact? It’s the skull suddenly stopping and the brain hitting the inside of the skull that causes the damage. It’s not the outside of the skull that needs protecting.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

10 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Can’t see shit captain.

How does it slow down an impact? It’s the skull suddenly stopping and the brain hitting the inside of the skull that causes the damage. It’s not the outside of the skull that needs protecting.

Exactly, there are two collisions, you and the other  player, and your brain and the skull.  Not sure how you stop your brain from sloshing in the pan.

[Oakbrook 67]

Very simple,Einstein.  Inject the foam under the skull.

Duh.

ob-

[Oakbrook 67]

Seriously,

at minimum, this stuff obviously can obsorb serious amounts of energy if it can stop a projectile with a thin layer.  Would expect it to be serious up grade from padding currently in use.

i know.  tldnr

ob-

[Oakbrook 67]

Apparently, already being integrated by manufacturers:

“Partnerships, like the D3O liner integration into Schutt's sports helmets, have helped to make access to this remarkable innovation more available to civilians.”

 

[Oakbrook 67]

Link to Schutt info.  They are selling replacement helmet liners with this stuff.

https://www.d3o.com/sports/schutt/

i’ll quit Talking to myself now.  It is the off season.

ob-

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

Can’t see shit captain.

How does it slow down an impact? It’s the skull suddenly stopping and the brain hitting the inside of the skull that causes the damage. It’s not the outside of the skull that needs protecting.

Theory would be to slow the deceleration of the skull by having it travel further, thereby lessening the impact of the brain within. 

Like crumple zones in cars spread the impact energy and lengthen the deceleration so that the people inside don’t feel as violent an impact. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Inertia, how does it work ?

[Oakbrook 67]

4 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Inertia, how does it work ?

Well, let’s see.  Shock obsorbers, braking systems, parachutes, how do they work?

you’re right.  No cure for inertia.

ob-

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, Oakbrook said:

Well, let’s see.  Shock obsorbers, braking systems, parachutes, how do they work?

you’re right.  No cure for inertia.

ob-

I'm not saying it isn't an interesting  idea, But your brain is floating in a pan of fluid, and when you move forward it does as well, when you stop it continues to move forward  til it encounters resistance (your skull). I'd guess the impact is being reduced greatly with the new absorbing material which may be an answer.  

Brakes don't stop the bag of groceries in your back seat from slamming into the front seats when you stop suddenly.

Shock absorbers absorb some of the shock, but your car still moves up and down as a result of the initial jolt.

Parachutes have quite a bit of de acceleration attached to their function.

I hope it pans out......

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

If this pans out, the patent holder should make it so orange is the only available option. This would be the best practice. For safety reasons.

[ousux 5597]

Very simple,Einstein.  Inject the foam under the skull.
Duh.
ob-

I like your style..

Except for the signing every post thing, but whatev.

[Bullneck 19073]

[RPM 26317]

On 6/30/2018 at 1:51 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

I'm not saying it isn't an interesting  idea, But your brain is floating in a pan of fluid, and when you move forward it does as well, when you stop it continues to move forward  til it encounters resistance (your skull). I'd guess the impact is being reduced greatly with the new absorbing material which may be an answer.  

Brakes don't stop the bag of groceries in your back seat from slamming into the front seats when you stop suddenly.

Shock absorbers absorb some of the shock, but your car still moves up and down as a result of the initial jolt.

Parachutes have quite a bit of de acceleration attached to their function.

I hope it pans out......

Think of it as an added layer of shock absorption. It will lessen the amount of energy transferred to the noggin and reduce the jolt. You're still going to have impact, just less damage.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, RPM said:

Think of it as an added layer of shock absorption. It will lessen the amount of energy transferred to the noggin and reduce the jolt. You're still going to have impact, just less damage.

I get that.  If it really does, It'll save football.  My next question is, how much force does the brain impact need be to trigger CTE ?  And de acceleration is an issue with  CTE as well I believe.  You're hitting a guy at somewhere around 20 MPH, and you stop abruptly that's simply inertia.  The impact may be lessened/absorbed, but the brain's still moving at 20MPH as it collides with the inside of the skull ??  Not trying to be contrarian, but that issue still seems to be there.

I'd imagine the linemen will definitely benefit the most. Close contact hits without the speed element ??

[RPM 26317]

12 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You're hitting a guy at somewhere around 20 MPH, and you stop abruptly that's simply inertia.  The impact may be lessened/absorbed, but the brain's still moving at 20MPH as it collides with the inside of the skull ??  Not trying to be contrarian, but that issue still seems to be there.

The brain is still moving at 20, but the foam slows the deceleration somewhat. Instead of it taking 0.001 second to stop, it goes to 0.005. (I pulled those numbers straight outa my ass) That.004 may seem minuscule, but it's enough to avoid concussion. That's the theory anyway.

 

Does anybody remember when they debuted the QB flack jacket and were hitting Dan Pastorini in his busted rib with a baseball bat at the press conference?

Edited July 1, 2018 by RPM

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, RPM said:

The brain is still moving at 20, but the foam slows the deceleration somewhat. Instead of it taking 0.001 second to stop, it goes to 0.005. (I pulled those numbers straight outa my ass) That.004 may seem minuscule, but it's enough to avoid concussion. That's the theory anyway.

OK, gotcha, thanks.  The what speed causes concussions has been my main question. If that does it, hala-fucking -looya !!  

[TwiceHorn 31440]

I think the better question is what decelaration is associated with concusions.  CTE is caused by repeated concussions, AFAIK.

And I don't believe they have quantified that number.

[txbroadcaster 110]

[Hurtlocker 2212]

Sounds like an advanced non-newtonian material, like oobleck on rageroids.  Any reduction in impact energy is a good thing, the less hits the head means the less its squishy insides slosh around.

[Surlybastard 65]

On 7/1/2018 at 6:07 PM, TwiceHorn said:

I think the better question is what decelaration is associated with concusions.  CTE is caused by repeated concussions, AFAIK.

And I don't believe they have quantified that number.

It would take 20 years of putting the foam into helmets and then cutting open the heads of players who played in the nfl with those helmets before we'll have definite answers on any of this.

[runthebone 7967]

12 minutes ago, Surlybastard said:

It would take 20 years of putting the foam into helmets and then cutting open the heads of players who played in the nfl with those helmets before we'll have definite answers on any of this.

You'll probably also want to wait until those players die.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, runthebone said:

You'll probably also want to wait until those players die.

We should probably go ahead and just start Rollerball now.

[PatSolitanojr 518]

On 6/30/2018 at 1:08 PM, Oakbrook said:

Link to Schutt info.  They are selling replacement helmet liners with this stuff.

https://www.d3o.com/sports/schutt/

i’ll quit Talking to myself now.  It is the off season.

ob-

If only there was a way to know who was posting without having to sign off...

-PSJ

[Slacks 6819]

-s

[Surlybastard 65]

22 minutes ago, runthebone said:

You'll probably also want to wait until those players die.

Well ya, that would probably be for the best and the way I assumed it would be done. 

[GottaB 594]

Exactly my response.

i’m imagining shoulder pads the size of epaulets, uniforms looking more like they did in the 1920’s.  Those would be some serious throw back uni’s.

ob-

 

 

Flip six 3 hole, right Diz?

[GottaB 594]

Beat me to it

[DougO 5243]

I don't know if this will work or not, but I've said for ages that technology is a far better solution than changing the game. Or they can just go back to leather helmets and skimp pads and pretty much eliminate 99% of using the head as a weapon.

[Oakbrook 67]

3 hours ago, PatSolitanojr said:

If only there was a way to know who was posting without having to sign off...

-PSJ

I have a new sign off  . . .

foah-

['stache 21797]

I think the better question is what decelaration is associated with concusions.  CTE is caused by repeated concussions, AFAIK.
And I don't believe they have quantified that number.

I don’t think concussions are needed for CTE. Just repeated bashings, even small ones. I think I read that’s why linemen are particularly at risk. They rarely take a huge hit like a QB sack or WR over the middle so rarely get concussed, but their heads get knocked around every play. The “momentum” part is less of an issue. I bet this material would be best at turning these minor but repeated knocks into non-events (or greatly reduced) which I understand is thought to be worse for CTE than a few full blown concussions.

[kopp0e 1135]

On 6/30/2018 at 12:36 PM, Oakbrook said:

Very simple,Einstein.  Inject the foam under the skull.

Duh.

ob-

Why do I think some Youtubers would try that if it was called the "Cranium Challenge"...

[Saint Tacky 1614]

On 7/3/2018 at 2:03 PM, GottaB said:

 

Flip six 3 hole, right Diz?

Seriously...

[Dolemite 143]

Make cars with a layer of it behind the frame.

[Eastwood 4394]

[GottaB 594]

Make cars with a layer of it behind the frame.

[Bullneck 19073]

On 7/5/2018 at 11:41 AM, Saint Tacky said:

Seriously...

It would be badass if some team used that font on their jerseys.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

11 hours ago, Bullneck said:

It would be badass if some team used that font on their jerseys.

Just not Texas.

HH-

Edited July 14, 2018 by HOOK'EMHOOAH
signoff

[Nivek 16923]

Kind of thought they should put shock pads in helmets and if it exceeds a certain threshold they remove the player for evaluation.

[Bullneck 19073]

6 hours ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

Just not Texas.

HH-

Oregon

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

13 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Oregon

This is acceptable.