September 1st: Texans, Fire Up Your VPNs, or Present Your Government-Issued ID to View Porn Online

[atomheartbevo 89504]

17 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

I’m already prompted to Sign in as a performer when I get to Hub

Are you married or dating, and does your spouse/significant other use your computer?  Maybe they are not clearing their cookies?

[Pam Cummings 9603]

I'm sure no politicians are making money from this or benefitting in any way. No siree.

[C-Man 27125]

9/1 is nigh upon us. Any suggestions on a particular VPN we oughta be looking at?

[Biff Tannen 45576]

What he said

[Rudiger 1160]

These days the First Amendment only has one clause. And it only applies in favor of conservative Christians. 

[Boss Hogg 808]

26 minutes ago, Rudiger said:

These days the First Amendment only has one clause. And it only applies in favor of conservative Christians. 

I’m glad someone is finally realizing this is a Constitutional issue. It’s the kind of stuff that Washington wanted to protect when he was crossing the Delaware. 

[Genco 3040]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

9/1 is nigh upon us. Any suggestions on a particular VPN we oughta be looking at?

Ask your teenager if they can add your devices to their VPN account.

[deft 6808]

Immamac will save us all.

[C-Man 27125]

2 minutes ago, deft said:

Immamac will save us all.

Oh, yeah, he was talking about doing something. Did that come to fruition?

[Rudiger 1160]

40 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

I’m glad someone is finally realizing this is a Constitutional issue. It’s the kind of stuff that Washington wanted to protect when he was crossing the Delaware. 

Precisely. Or when Charlton Heston took the stage at the AVN Awards holding a copy of Hustler and said you’d have to pry it from his cold dead hands. 

[KYHorn 16895]

On 8/23/2023 at 5:35 PM, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-interim-attorney-general-responds-to-lawsuit-over-age-verification-on-adult-websites/
 

How about parents stop letting tablets and smartphones babysit their kids and instead monitor what they do on the internet? And if you can’t monitor your kid on a device, don’t give the, the device in the first place.

 

I understand why pretty much everyone is against this law in this thread and I agree that the way they went about this isn't a good approach. However, we should acknowledge the vast number of parents who legitimately don't have the time, energy, or knowledge necessary to teach and protect their children from the real problems that are associated with highly accessible, hyper realistic, and increasingly graphic porn. The folks who fit into this category are not the middle class to Surly 1%ers who have the resources to address this for their children. It's the low income and single parent families who work all week and already have very little ability to monitor their children. Just like all issues with children that are not being sufficiently addressed at the fair level, this is inescapably a societal problem and responsibility because all of society benefits from children who are raised with a healthy understanding of sexuality and intimacy. Now, this certainly doesn't mean that this law is the solution or even a good way to approach it, but in much of the dialogue I've seen around this topic, there's been a serious lack of acknowledgement of this as a problem at the societal level, without which this will never get addressed. We've had a couple decades of this as the norm and I think it's safe to say that admonishing parents and sex ed classes aren't doing it so a workable solution has to be found and it clearly can't rely wide swaths of parents suddenly changing their parental monitoring and technology purchasing practices, as nice as that would be.

[Pig Bellmont 8697]

7 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

I understand why pretty much everyone is against this law in this thread and I agree that the way they went about this isn't a good approach. However, we should acknowledge the vast number of parents who legitimately don't have the time, energy, or knowledge necessary to teach and protect their children from the real problems that are associated with highly accessible, hyper realistic, and increasingly graphic porn. The folks who fit into this category are not the middle class to Surly 1%ers who have the resources to address this for their children. It's the low income and single parent families who work all week and already have very little ability to monitor their children. Just like all issues with children that are not being sufficiently addressed at the fair level, this is inescapably a societal problem and responsibility because all of society benefits from children who are raised with a healthy understanding of sexuality and intimacy. Now, this certainly doesn't mean that this law is the solution or even a good way to approach it, but in much of the dialogue I've seen around this topic, there's been a serious lack of acknowledgement of this as a problem at the societal level, without which this will never get addressed. We've had a couple decades of this as the norm and I think it's safe to say that admonishing parents and sex ed classes aren't doing it so a workable solution has to be found and it clearly can't rely wide swaths of parents suddenly changing their parental monitoring and technology purchasing practices, as nice as that would be.

So do republicans want the government raising their kids for them or not? Bc I’ve been getting mixed signals. 
 

Oh and can someone point to how much porn is too much before it irrevocably damages our teens? All porn or only certain types (gay porn)? And what are the consequences that can be directly linked to exposure to porn?

And who actually believes this law will have any effect on preventing people from accessing porn?

Just be honest and tell us you think the government should have records of what certain people look at to get off, because it will help them prosecute the bad guys or whatever bullshit

[immamac 42725]

Send me a DM if you would like access, I will be deleting DM's and usernames I assign will be completely randomized and passwords randomly generated, I will not keep any creds anywhere and I don't log shit. 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

I’m glad I shifted 90% of porn consumption to reddit.

[Boss Hogg 808]

7 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

So do republicans want the government raising their kids for them or not? Bc I’ve been getting mixed signals. 
 

Oh and can someone point to how much porn is too much before it irrevocably damages our teens? All porn or only certain types (gay porn)? And what are the consequences that can be directly linked to exposure to porn?

And who actually believes this law will have any effect on preventing people from accessing porn?

Just be honest and tell us you think the government should have records of what certain people look at to get off, because it will help them prosecute the bad guys or whatever bullshit

Good God man. Get a hold of yourself.
 

I started to write a response to your full throated defense of unfettered access to porn, but it’s so all over the place I gave up  

 

Maybe you should examine why this is so important to you  Maybe give up porn for a month and see if your wife suddenly is more interested in you. 
 

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89504]

24 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

Maybe you should examine why this is so important to you  

For those of you who think this is about protecting kids, go check out the CR thread that gets into the national group that is behind this and trying to get this passed in as many states as possible - they are about trying to restrict porn everywhere for everybody.  They can't get it outright banned yet, so this type of legislation is just a start for them, and they tell you this, so listen to them when they say this is about ultimately banning porn, but right now they are focused on putting these companies out of business through fees for verification services, and fines for those companies who ignore them, or having these companies outright block entire states where it's not economically feasible for them to provide their services (which is happening with lesser-populated states).

This thread is about people being surprised on Friday or Saturday when they go to look at one of the big porn sites.  Or relatives asking you about VPNS.

Or Surly people asking about VPNs.

Edited August 29, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[Brisketexan 104789]

I understand why pretty much everyone is against this law in this thread and I agree that the way they went about this isn't a good approach. However, we should acknowledge the vast number of parents who legitimately don't have the time, energy, or knowledge necessary to teach and protect their children from the real problems that are associated with highly accessible, hyper realistic, and increasingly graphic porn. The folks who fit into this category are not the middle class to Surly 1%ers who have the resources to address this for their children. It's the low income and single parent families who work all week and already have very little ability to monitor their children. Just like all issues with children that are not being sufficiently addressed at the fair level, this is inescapably a societal problem and responsibility because all of society benefits from children who are raised with a healthy understanding of sexuality and intimacy. Now, this certainly doesn't mean that this law is the solution or even a good way to approach it, but in much of the dialogue I've seen around this topic, there's been a serious lack of acknowledgement of this as a problem at the societal level, without which this will never get addressed. We've had a couple decades of this as the norm and I think it's safe to say that admonishing parents and sex ed classes aren't doing it so a workable solution has to be found and it clearly can't rely wide swaths of parents suddenly changing their parental monitoring and technology purchasing practices, as nice as that would be.

Our kids are harmed a fuckload more by a crippled education system, including one that can’t even mention actual history because it might hurt Karen’s son’s fee-fees. Yet the EXACT same people are behind that crippling of our system. This isn’t about safety, it’s about power and control.

Good God man. Get a hold of yourself.
 
I started to write a response to your full throated defense of unfettered access to porn, but it’s so all over the place I gave up  
 
Maybe you should examine why this is so important to you  Maybe give up porn for a month and see if your wife suddenly is more interested in you. 

Maybe some of us watch porn WITH our wives, instead of having vanilla missionary sex once a week and calling it “the lord’s blessing.”

Our society has a shitload of serious battles to fight. Porn isn’t one of them.

[KYHorn 16895]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

So do republicans want the government raising their kids for them or not? Bc I’ve been getting mixed signals. 
 

Oh and can someone point to how much porn is too much before it irrevocably damages our teens? All porn or only certain types (gay porn)? And what are the consequences that can be directly linked to exposure to porn?

And who actually believes this law will have any effect on preventing people from accessing porn?

Just be honest and tell us you think the government should have records of what certain people look at to get off, because it will help them prosecute the bad guys or whatever bullshit

You're not in the CR, so determine if the poster is writing in good faith and respond in kind, rather than assuming negative and false motives. I'm not a Republican and I don't care about your or anyone else's records. I'm a marriage and family therapist with a PhD in a related field and a decade of counseling experience. I've seen how porn can totally transform children and teens and I think it's worth addressing. The research indicates the same.

14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

For those of you who think this is about protecting kids, go check out the CR thread that gets into the national group that is behind this and trying to get this passed in as many states as possible - they are about trying to restrict porn everywhere for everybody.  They can't get it outright banned yet, so this type of legislation is just a start for them, and they tell you this, so listen to them when they say this is about ultimately banning porn, but right now they are focused on putting these companies out of business through fees for verification services, and fines for those companies who ignore them, or having these companies outright block entire states where it's not economically feasible for them to provide their services (which is happening with lesser-populated states).

 

I'm sure all of that is true and the law is clearly not well thought out. It doesn't follow that the issue doesn't exist, shouldn't be addressed, or can't be addressed through policy.

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our kids are harmed a fuckload more by a crippled education system, including one that can’t even mention actual history because it might hurt Karen’s son’s fee-fees. Yet the EXACT same people are behind that crippling of our system. This isn’t about safety, it’s about power and control.
 

Agreed. We have lots of problems. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about this one while we wait for the state of our politics to change. In fact, working together to get something done could help create an environment where working on larger issues is feasible. Ignore the quote box below.

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[AUS-97HORN 11731]

@KYHorn go fuck yourself

[fattyflattie 4637]

22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our kids are harmed a fuckload more by a crippled education system,

Piper perri disagrees. 

29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

go check out the CR thread that gets into the national group that is behind this and trying to get this passed in as many states as possible

Nazis again, if I had to guess. 

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Just be honest and tell us you think the government should have records of what certain people look at to get off, because it will help them prosecute the bad guys or whatever bullshit

Astonishing. A group that cannot fix…anything, has that capacity.  They can’t even fix the fucking highways and grid. 

[Smax 3800]

4 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

You're not in the CR, so determine if the poster is writing in good faith and respond in kind, rather than assuming negative and false motives. I'm not a Republican and I don't care about your or anyone else's records. I'm a marriage and family therapist with a PhD in a related field and a decade of counseling experience. I've seen how porn can totally transform children and teens and I think it's worth addressing. The research indicates the same.

I'm sure all of that is true and the law is clearly not well thought out. It doesn't follow that the issue doesn't exist, shouldn't be addressed, or can't be addressed through policy.

Agreed. We have lots of problems. That doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about this one while we wait for the state of our politics to change. In fact, working together to get something done could help create an environment where working on larger issues is feasible. Ignore the quote box below.

 

 

 

maybe if we didn't live in such a sexually repressive society.... this countries views on nudity and sex and fucked

[Boss Hogg 808]

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Maybe some of us watch porn WITH our wives, instead of having vanilla missionary sex once a week and calling it “the lord’s blessing.”

Fair point. 
 

Hey honey. Let me see your driver’s license. Huh, oh no reason. 

There’s your fix. 
 

27 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

go check out the CR thread

No thank you. 
 

28 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They can't get it outright banned yet, so this type of legislation is just a start for them,

Wait, is this the start of some kind of slippery slope????

 

29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

right now they are focused on putting these companies out of business through fees for verification services

Will someone think of the children! I mean the porn websites!

Maybe this is all a move by the Big Porn Website lobby to create higher barriers to entry for nascent online smut peddlers. Increase their business moats. 
 

 

[KYHorn 16895]

11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

1. go fuck yourself

2. if texas gqp gave an ounce of fucks about kids, they'd tighten up gun laws 

 

16 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

@KYHorn go fuck yourself

Thanks for your contribution to good faith discussions. This is an excellent illustration of how we arrived at our current state of social discourse and political stalemate.

[atomheartbevo 89504]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

I understand why pretty much everyone is against this law in this thread and I agree that the way they went about this isn't a good approach. However, we should acknowledge the vast number of parents who legitimately don't have the time, energy, or knowledge necessary to teach and protect their children 

Then don't give them personal devices.  I don't mean to be flippant, and we can talk about the moral/philosophical issues revolving around this in the Surly Dad thread or in CR, but if you as a parent can't monitor what your kids are doing on personal devices, then from a technical point of view, if not a parental point of view, they shouldn't have those devices. 

And yes, we on Surly are much more technically capable and informed about how best to use such personal devices (phones, computers, or tablets), and we are better equipped/suited (whether for financial reasons or that we maybe better educated or have more time than some) for being able to easily monitor/restrict our kids on private devices.  And hell, most of us know what depravity is out there on the internet (just from college football boards), so we maybe a little more alert than a lot of parents.

With that said, here in 2023, parents have so many options of letting their kids safely have personal computing devices.  A few minutes on Google, and a few minutes of setup on an iOS device (iPhone or iPad) or Android tablet or phone and you can restrict what they can do.

For those parents who are curious:

Apple Guided Access:  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202612

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Guided Access limits your device to a single app and lets you control which features are available. You can turn on Guided Access when you let a child use your device

Google Pin/Unpin Screens: https://support.google.com/android/answer/9455138?hl=en

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You can pin an app's screen to keep it in view until you unpin it.

For example, you can pin an app and hand your phone to a friend child. With the screen pinned, your friend child can use only that app. To use your other apps again, you can unpin the screen.

Better yet:  🥳

Amazon Fire Kids Tablet

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 Includes a 1 year subscription of Amazon Kids+: the only service with thousands of ad-free books, games, videos, apps and Alexa skills from brands like Disney, Nickelodeon and PBS Kids. 

NO-HASSLE PARENT CONTROLS: Easy-to-use Parent Dashboard allows you to filter content based on child's age, set educational goals and time limits, and grant access to additional content like Netflix and Disney+.

 

[Boss Hogg 808]

20 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

1. go fuck yourself

2. if texas gqp gave an ounce of fucks about kids, they'd tighten up gun laws 

Thoughts and Prayers on the pending mild inconvenience to your porn consumption. 

[atomheartbevo 89504]

21 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

Will someone think of the children! 

If you care about your children, see my post above about how to setup devices for kids - either take the few minutes to setup a device properly for your child, or buy Amazon's tablet that's made for children, or don't let your kids have such a device or access to computers.

 

[Brisketexan 104789]

Texas: where we tear our hair out if a child sees a pair of tits, but praise it as awesome parenting if you get em a tricked out AR as an 8th grade graduation present.



Fuck this shit.

[atomheartbevo 89504]

@Boss Hogg @KYHorn what are you doing right now to protect your kids?  Or what have you done in the last 30+ years that we've had unrestricted access to internet porn?

Were you waiting for this kind of thing to protect your kids from internet porn?  

 

@Brisketexan please don't CR this shit.

Edited August 29, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[Boss Hogg 808]

On 8/14/2023 at 12:01 PM, Brisketexan said:

I mean, if there's one thing we know for 100% certain, it's the fact that if you don't have access to internet porn, teenage boys won't jerk off.

 

Right?

 

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Texas: where we tear our hair out if a child sees a pair of tits, but praise it as awesome parenting if you get em a tricked out AR as an 8th grade graduation present.

Man, you’re strawmanning the fuck out of this thread. 

[Pig Bellmont 8697]

1 hour ago, Boss Hogg said:

Good God man. Get a hold of yourself.
 

I started to write a response to your full throated defense of unfettered access to porn, but it’s so all over the place I gave up  

 

Maybe you should examine why this is so important to you  Maybe give up porn for a month and see if your wife suddenly is more interested in you. 
 

 

 

So to be clear, asking questions about whether quantifiable harms exist or whether this law is an adequate remedy is a full throated defense about access to porn? Or is it questioning the government’s motives in having access to private information that has you bothered?

And nice deflecting to some bullying bullshit about my use of porn or my own sex life. I’m sorry you feel so insecure in your need to support the state government intrusion on not just parenting but all adults’ privacy online that you lash out at anyone who dares question such moral examples like Dan Patrick

[Smax 3800]

Boss Hog is a "new" account pot stirring troll. so who do we think he is

[atomheartbevo 89504]

6 minutes ago, Smax said:

Boss Hog is a "new" account pot stirring troll. so who do we think he is

Crispy/etc.

They all blur together, just need to see if he posts in the crypto threads.

Edited August 29, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[Boss Hogg 808]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

@Boss Hogg @KYHorn what are you doing right now to protect your kids?  Or what have you done in the last 30+ years that we've had unrestricted access to internet porn?

Were you waiting for this kind of thing to protect your kids from internet porn?  

 

@Brisketexan please don't CR this shit.

I don’t feel like walking to bedroom to look at their phones, but there’s apps that track what they’re on and limit things. My wife set them up. I haven’t done anything for 30 years because my oldest just turned 14 years old. 
 

6 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

[Brisketexan 104789]

Man, you’re strawmanning the fuck out of this thread. 

Naaah. We just want the government out of everything, no gun laws, no more health regulations (no COVID rules, no masks)…but we DO want the government controlling what we can watch, or think (don’t you DARE mention that slavery existed in a texas school lesson plan). It’s just authoritarian bullshit 101. Anyone with any sense sees right through it.
So, no, I will not engage in an incremental conversation intended to justify government control of what people see and think about. It’s the same fucking arguments that were used to oppress gay people because “don’t you admit that men who molest little boys are bad?” It’s not a good faith conversation or question.
If we want to keep our kids safe from sexual trauma, the #1 thing we could do is ban churches and youth sports coaches. Yet we worship and sanctify those institutions, in spite of the undeniable fact that they harbor a shitload of pedophiles.

[ztejas 43383]

Imagine if you had to scan your ID every time you had sex with someone. To make sure that one of you wasn't married or had AIDS or God forbid it wasn't two men. 

That isn't that different of a concept. Stuff like this is how you get crazy religious or police-state laws on the books. It's also a potentially massive cybersecurity issue. It's so fucking stupid on so many levels but it doesn't matter because it isn't good for 13 year olds to watch porn all day. Oh, wait, we already fucking knew that. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13558]

23 minutes ago, Smax said:

Boss Hog is a "new" account pot stirring troll. so who do we think he is

Icono 

[atomheartbevo 89504]

1 hour ago, Boss Hogg said:

Maybe this is all a move by the Big Porn Website lobby to create higher barriers to entry for nascent online smut peddlers. Increase their business moats. 

Except that some of the big porn sites have completely pulled out of/blocked off smaller states rather than deal with the costs of serving those states.  

Texas is big enough that the porn companies are willing to fight.

Just now, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

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[fattyflattie 4637]

35 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We just want the government out of everything, no gun laws, no more health regulations (no COVID rules, no masks)

Da fuk? When did either of those happen? 

[Brisketexan 104789]

Da fuk? When did either of those happen? 

Guns: read the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Then see the dominoes of gun laws being voided by lower courts (consistent with that decision) since then. Gun laws are going down. All of them. It’ll take time for all of them to be challenged in court, but Bruen ordained that result.
And you really missed the legislation prohibiting masking rules and the like?
Both of those are cornerstone policy principles of the very same folks who want to ban porn, ban books, ban schools from teaching that slavery was bad, etc. It’s not a coincidence.

[KYHorn 16895]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Then don't give them personal devices.  I don't mean to be flippant, and we can talk about the moral/philosophical issues revolving around this in the Surly Dad thread or in CR, but if you as a parent can't monitor what your kids are doing on personal devices, then from a technical point of view, if not a parental point of view, they shouldn't have those devices. 

And yes, we on Surly are much more technically capable and informed about how best to use such personal devices (phones, computers, or tablets), and we are better equipped/suited (whether for financial reasons or that we maybe better educated or have more time than some) for being able to easily monitor/restrict our kids on private devices.  And hell, most of us know what depravity is out there on the internet (just from college football boards), so we maybe a little more alert than a lot of parents.

With that said, here in 2023, parents have so many options of letting their kids safely have personal computing devices.  A few minutes on Google, and a few minutes of setup on an iOS device (iPhone or iPad) or Android tablet or phone and you can restrict what they can do.

For those parents who are curious:

Apple Guided Access:  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202612

Google Pin/Unpin Screens: https://support.google.com/android/answer/9455138?hl=en

Better yet:  🥳

Amazon Fire Kids Tablet

 

I agree with this and generally think parents need to do better and be more responsible for their kids' moral, social, and emotional development. But, here we are where porn is only getting increasingly graphic, realistic (consider that a MS student can now make porn featuring his latest crush), and accessible. Parents, especially those with limited resources, cannot keep up and don't know what they don't know. They just know Johnny wants a phone and that's good for me because I can keep track of and communicate with him while I'm at work. 

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

@Boss Hogg @KYHorn what are you doing right now to protect your kids?  Or what have you done in the last 30+ years that we've had unrestricted access to internet porn?

Were you waiting for this kind of thing to protect your kids from internet porn?  

 

@Brisketexan please don't CR this shit.

My oldest is 6. We use the Amazon Fire tablets you mentioned. They still get into stuff we don't really like and, from what I can tell, we can't easily control it, but it generally works.

I don't really know what we'll do as they get older. My wife and I both work but we have the luxury of knowing the concerns and knowing where to go to attempt to address them. We have ongoing and developmentally appropriate talks about bodies, privacy, and choice that will continue into more difficult discussions. However, we can't control what they are exposed to at school or, to an extent, at friends' houses. That's a bit worrisome, but we'll have to rely on open communication, general family cohesion, and intentional conversations around these topics to allow us to guide them as best as we know how.

But that's not even my main concern- it's the vast majority of parents who are just unaware, unconcerned, overwhelmed, or uncomfortable with this topic and that doesn't seem to be getting better. So, just like we restrict access for children in all kinds of ways, we should do the same with porn. We of course won't stop it all, but to at least tone down the ubiquity of it, help parents who are trying but have limited means, and knowledge, etc. Maybe that means every company has to offer affordable, child versions of their devices that can't connect to porn websites and can't download full versions of social media apps. I don't know. Again, they're always going to be able to access it, but putting more barriers in the way when there's currently none, would help and would likely raise the age of first exposure, reduce unintentional exposure, and lower the heat in terms of the amount, intensity, and accessibility of this content. With all the technology we have, I'm sure there are other ways that would help create a floor for parents.

Edited August 29, 2023 by KYHorn

[Captainant 27519]

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

I agree with this and generally think parents need to do better and be more responsible for their kids' moral, social, and emotional development. But, here we are where porn is only getting increasingly graphic, realistic (consider that a MS student can now make porn featuring his latest crush), and accessible. Parents, especially those with limited resources, cannot keep up and don't know what they don't know. They just know Johnny wants a phone and that's good for me because I can keep track of and communicate with him while I'm at work. 

You sound like the kind of person who would be going after Dee Snider for bad words in music hurting children, or cheer on Jack Thompson railing against how videogames are too violent and hurting children. We should not be governing society by the whims of the lowest common pearl clutching denominator. 

As covered previously, this law ain't about protecting children. You're being a useful idiot to cling so tightly to your dogma and allow yourself to be manipulated by a fascist argument. If we gave a fuck about helping struggling parents with young kids, we sure as hell aren't showing it in the one star state. Rather than fund education or pay teachers more than poverty wages, the state burns oxygen on stupid fucking culture war bullshit like this. 

[Boss Hogg 808]

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

So, just like we restrict access for children in all kinds of ways, we should do the same with porn

This is really the basis of it all for the average person, despite any CR 3D chess. And I think the vast majority of people would agree with it. Surly is just the peak demographic that will be most mad about it. 
 

7 hours ago, ztejas said:

Imagine if you had to scan your ID every time you had sex with someone. To make sure that one of you wasn't married or had AIDS or God forbid it wasn't two men. 

That isn't that different of a concept. Stuff like this is how you get crazy religious or police-state laws on the books.

 

Actually it is. You need to calm down. 
 

This thread is funny right now. 
 

 

 

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89504]

8 hours ago, ztejas said:

Imagine if you had to scan your ID every time you had sex with someone.

Or your credit card.  

Wait…

[atomheartbevo 89504]

8 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

This is really the basis of it all for the average person, despite any CR 3D chess. And I think the vast majority of people would agree with it. Surly is just the peak demographic that will be most mad about it. 

We’ve had unrestricted access to internet porn for 30 years. Somehow it wasn’t a big problem for the powers that be before now.  

[atomheartbevo 89504]

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

But, here we are where porn is only getting increasingly graphic, realistic (consider that a MS student can now make porn featuring his latest crush), and accessible. Parents, especially those with limited resources, cannot keep up and don't know what they don't know. They just know Johnny wants a phone and that's good for me because I can keep track of and communicate with him while I'm at work. 

It’s been fully graphic since the 90s and we were getting it off of BBSes.  Or for those of us who were older and looking at magazines, if we were lucky enough to have parents who traveled to Germany,

They can buy Johnny a simple flip phone - multiple companies make simple child-friendly phones that can’t browse the internet or take or show pictures.  If they need to track him, they can buy an Apple AirTag.  Or skip the phone and AirTag and get him an Apple Watch with cellular capabilities.

Companies were providing solutions in the 2000s:

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16044093

And companies like Samsung still do it today with their Kids Mode

https://news.samsung.com/global/how-samsungs-child-friendly-content-helps-kids-build-digital-confidence

 

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

However, we can't control what they are exposed to at school or, to an extent, at friends' houses. That's a bit worrisome,

The schools are filtered and the teachers/admins can look and see what your kid is doing.

However, at a friends house, this new digital ID law does nothing to protect your kid if the friend has access through a VPN or a parents’ or fake ID. And it doesn’t stop the friend from pulling up something NC17 on Netflix.

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

But that's not even my main concern- it's the vast majority of parents who are just unaware, unconcerned, overwhelmed, or uncomfortable with this topic and that doesn't seem to be getting better.

That’s their responsibility and they could spend a few minutes setting up a device if they chose.  Most parents here in 2023 have been using the internet for years and know that adult stuff is out there.  If they don’t want to be a parent monitoring their kids, they should not let their kids have devices.

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Maybe that means every company has to offer affordable, child versions of their devices that can't connect to porn websites and can't download full versions of social media apps. I don't know.

Apple and Google already provide a means for parents to restrict what their kids do on their devices, and have for years.

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Again, they're always going to be able to access it, but putting more barriers in the way when there's currently none,

There are already barriers - don’t give your kid a smartphone or tablet or access to a computer without it being monitored. 

If a parent can’t spend 5 minutes figuring out how to lock down a device, that’s on that parent.  Apple and Google and Amazon make it easy.

[AUS-97HORN 11731]

24 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

This is really the basis of it all for the average person, despite any CR 3D chess. And I think the vast majority of people would agree with it. Surly is just the peak demographic that will be most mad about it. 
 

Actually it is. You need to calm down. 
 

This thread is funny right now. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

listen asshole, its not the fact that an ID is needed to watch porn that is the main problem, its the fact that a state agency is going to be in charge of SECURING THE INFORMATION. 

An agency whose cyber security is guarded by the lowest bid contractor. An agency that relies on state government servers to hold the information of who signed up for it, and somehow supposedly compartmentalizing the information in such a way that WHEN the database is hacked, that the hacked information is either correctly encrypted and useless or literally specific to a single query point and not cross-referenced to more detail, like someones actual fucking drivers license complete with their DL #, DOB, Address, phone number, email, and even SSN.

You know, all the shit that is needed for identity theft and bank fraud.  Which as we know from the Louisiana hack has already happened with another state who set up the same rules that Texas borrowed.

 

Yeah lets use this database state-wide so that we can feel good about doing nothing about stopping underage porn useage, but get to thump our chest and somehow think its going to stop a 13 year old from getting porn.

 

Btw, the VERY first thing a semi-intelligent kid is going to do when encountering this stuff, is borrow Mom or Dad's DL information some night when you are asleep and left your wallet/purse on the table next to the front door.  sign into the stupid site as you, and save that information, and poof, your info is now in the database as well.

Then of course, when that info gets out there and you and the rest of your "no-porn, no way" friends all see each others names on the hacked list, what are you going to do then? hmm... blame it on the state for being hacked is your answer. 

But, thats not going to happen to you right,  you are going to come back to this thread and tell everyone how you are a hyper-vigilant parent and there is no way the kids will do stuff like this without you finding out. hubris.

 

 

 

 

[Boss Hogg 808]

18 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

 

listen asshole, its not the fact that an ID is needed to watch porn that is the main problem, its the fact that a state agency is going to be in charge of SECURING THE INFORMATION. 

An agency whose cyber security is guarded by the lowest bid contractor. An agency that relies on state government servers to hold the information of who signed up for it, and somehow supposedly compartmentalizing the information in such a way that WHEN the database is hacked, that the hacked information is either correctly encrypted and useless or literally specific to a single query point and not cross-referenced to more detail, like someones actual fucking drivers license complete with their DL #, DOB, Address, phone number, email, and even SSN.

You know, all the shit that is needed for identity theft and bank fraud.  Which as we know from the Louisiana hack has already happened with another state who set up the same rules that Texas borrowed.

 

Yeah lets use this database state-wide so that we can feel good about doing nothing about stopping underage porn useage, but get to thump our chest and somehow think its going to stop a 13 year old from getting porn.

 

Btw, the VERY first thing a semi-intelligent kid is going to do when encountering this stuff, is borrow Mom or Dad's DL information some night when you are asleep and left your wallet/purse on the table next to the front door.  sign into the stupid site as you, and save that information, and poof, your info is now in the database as well.

Then of course, when that info gets out there and you and the rest of your "no-porn, no way" friends all see each others names on the hacked list, what are you going to do then? hmm... blame it on the state for being hacked is your answer. 

But, thats not going to happen to you right,  you are going to come back to this thread and tell everyone how you are a hyper-vigilant parent and there is no way the kids will do stuff like this without you finding out. hubris.

 

 

 

 

Holy shit. Some of y’all take this shit very seriously. I think the next step is to organize and march on the Capitol. It’s a good story. You’d get on the news. May I suggest a slogan? You’ve Gotta Fight for Your Right to Porn

 

I actually agree that there’s cybersecurity issues, but I’d don’t see a ton of people out there fighting KYC/AML laws that lead to honeypots that criminal exploit. People that really want to, can disregard those laws too. 
 

 

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9 minutes ago, Boss Hogg said:

I’d don’t see a ton of people out there fighting KYC/AML laws that lead to honeypots that criminal exploit

That's because banks and card processors have done the legwork to protect their data and harden against unauthorized data access. Are they bulletproof? Fuck no, nobody is. But I'd bet it's a fair sight better than anything the state of Texas puts out. 

Shit, for paying off my loans to the Texas Higher Ed Coordinating Board, they would email my fucking password resets IN THE CLEAR IN PLAINTEXT. The state is not in the same solar system as the entities that manage the data associated with AML/KYC laws, at least with respect to sensitive data protection and general security posture. 

But don't let that get in the way of you and lubehorn going HAW HAW HAW YAWL JUST WANNA WATCH PORN and completely missing the point

[Homercles 10205]

Oh look another ‘new’ poster wading into highly contentious, political, conservative-driven threads!  And they have all the answers!

Haven’t seen that before

[Captainant 27519]

It's gonna be a real hoot when the state starts to use this new legislative weapon and unilaterally classifies any website associated with homosexuality - or really anything non confirming with purity culture - and imposes these new restrictions on them. Sure won't have seen that coming from a mile away. 

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