11th edition of Thinking Texas Football is out

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22 hours ago, NoRagrets said:

Yeah, his “we finally got a real football coach” take did not age well. I was wondering the other day if we would have been better off keeping Mack for 3-4 more years to avoid the shit show that was Charlie Strong’s era. We probably still end up with Herman, but the roster would have been in much better shape for Mensa. But I’m pretty glad mensa and his battering ram qb big 10 bs system is gone, as I’m a full Sark apologist at this point and think he’s the long term answer we need.

What did I just conclude? I don’t know. But buy the book. It’s the best out there. 

Hahahahaha. What the fuck? I didn't buy or read Scipio's stuff but this one is hard for me to believe. The guy was a long time Shawn Watson hater. Those of us paying attention at the time knew we were certainly fucked the minute Strong manipulated bringing his boy along at OC. There is no way Scipio didn't feel that way. If he presented otherwise in a for-pay document, well, he deserves the critiques you guys are leveling. That's crazy.

I knew we were fucked immediately when Watson was hired. I didn't realize it was going to be lose-to-Kansas bad with all of the ineptitude on and off the field, but the certainty of failure was there. Then not getting a QB heading into the season and wiping out a quarter of the roster, "wow, Strong is burning this thing to the ground quickly."

The following offseason with the "Watson is changing the offense" was a lot of fun. I remember numerous threads of people trying to defend him and Chuckles and just chewing through those threads while cackling. Notre Dame in South Bend was despairingly hilarious, especially reading the boards. I assume Scipio wasn't touting that ahead of the 2015 season though. Right?

 

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The following offseason with the "Watson is changing the offense" was a lot of fun. I remember numerous threads of people trying to defend him and Chuckles and just chewing through those threads while cackling. Notre Dame in South Bend was despairingly hilarious, especially reading the boards.

There have been a few low points in the 40-ish years I've been following Texas football. 1989 Baylor game springs to mind. That Notre Dame game is another. IIRC, we only crossed midfield once or something? And that was the first game following the Texas bowl against Arkansas, with 45 total yards or whatever it was. I suppose those were both low points.

Just an immense feeling of "We are so far away from even being close to good." 

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19 minutes ago, Red Five said:

There have been a few low points in the 40-ish years I've been following Texas football. 1989 Baylor game springs to mind. That Notre Dame game is another. IIRC, we only crossed midfield once or something? And that was the first game following the Texas bowl against Arkansas, with 45 total yards or whatever it was. I suppose those were both low points.

Just an immense feeling of "We are so far away from even being close to good." 

My lowest point as a UT fan, hopefully ever, came a few weeks after that one. I sat down with my buddies at a sports bar, as always, at 11am to watch a full day of football. On the opening slate was Texas @ TCU. TCU went up 30-0 in the first quarter and then coasted into halftime up 37-0. Texas looked like a bad FCS school. Truly hideous. Another buddy and I paid our parts of the tab, finished our drinks, and went to see a movie. 

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

My lowest point as a UT fan, hopefully ever, came a few weeks after that one.

Jesus, the 45 yard bowl game, the cross-midfield-once in a 40 point loss to ND, and the down 30-0 to TCU in the first quarter games were all within like five games of each other? How in the world was Strong not canned mid-season of his second year. 

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9 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Jesus, the 45 yard bowl game, the cross-midfield-once in a 40 point loss to ND, and the down 30-0 to TCU in the first quarter games were all within like five games of each other? How in the world was Strong not canned mid-season of his second year. 

The week after that TCU disaster…

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28 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Jesus, the 45 yard bowl game, the cross-midfield-once in a 40 point loss to ND, and the down 30-0 to TCU in the first quarter games were all within like five games of each other? How in the world was Strong not canned mid-season of his second year. 

During that period, people were being told "Charlie is getting 4 years" and that was that. There was no interest from the administrative side in shitcanning Chuckles during that season. Frankly, all the idiot had to do was beat Kansas in 2016 to get a 4th year. There was still push back on axing him if he had beaten TCU following the KU loss, due to gained bowl eligibility.

I remember seeing players crying, fucking crying!, on the sidelines as the TCU game ended and then their pleading afterwards for him to get another year. All those dipshits had to do was win either of the last two games for their beloved coach and he'd have received the 4th season. That would have sent Herman to LSU and Texas would have picked up who in the fuck knows but likely someone better than Fuckface.

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54 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

My lowest point as a UT fan, hopefully ever, came a few weeks after that one. I sat down with my buddies at a sports bar, as always, at 11am to watch a full day of football. On the opening slate was Texas @ TCU. TCU went up 30-0 in the first quarter and then coasted into halftime up 37-0. Texas looked like a bad FCS school. Truly hideous. Another buddy and I paid our parts of the tab, finished our drinks, and went to see a movie. 

ND game ended with my soon to be fiancée taking me to the emergency room to get my eye soon back together.  I’m gonna go with that as my lowest point.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

During that period, people were being told "Charlie is getting 4 years" and that was that. There was no interest from the administrative side in shitcanning Chuckles during that season. Frankly, all the idiot had to do was beat Kansas in 2016 to get a 4th year. There was still push back on axing him if he had beaten TCU following the KU loss, due to gained bowl eligibility.

I remember seeing players crying, fucking crying!, on the sidelines as the TCU game ended and then their pleading afterwards for him to get another year. All those dipshits had to do was win either of the last two games for their beloved coach and he'd have received the 4th season. That would have sent Herman to LSU and Texas would have picked up who in the fuck knows but likely someone better than Fuckface.

I am not sure there is any revisionist history that includes a 4th year of Strong and puts Texas in a better place today. 

Meyer was in his final year at tosu - most likely (near 100%, IMO) off the table.
You are right that Herman is at LSU.  If he sucks, Texas "dodged a bullet."  If he's great, LSU will keep him.

The list of coaches who moved leading into the 2018 season is interesting:

1. Jimbo Fisher, A&M
2. Frost, Nebraska
3. Kelly, UCLA
4. Mullen, UF
5. Sumlin, Arizona
6. Taggart, FSU
7. Pruitt, Tennessee
8. Morris, Arkansas
9. Moorehead, MSU
10. Cristobal, Oregon
11. Smith, oregon St
12. Luke, Ole Miss
13. Edwards, ASU
14. Heupel, UCF
15. Napier, ULL
16. Dykes, SMU
17. Bloomgren, Rice

I am not sure any of those would have been attractive to the administration.  Who would the donors have targeted?

So - Should we be forever grateful that he lost to Kansas, even if it led to Herman?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/coaching-carousel-hires-2017-8-ranking-jimbo-fisher-scott-frost-chip-kelly-jeremy-pruitt/brjraf5r3rs51lup9e4ustz0n

Edited July 24, 2023 by boilerhorn

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12 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

I am not sure there is any revisionist history that includes a 4th year of Strong and puts Texas in a better place today. 

Meyer was in his final year at tosu - most likely (near 100%, IMO) off the table.
You are right that Herman is at LSU.  If he sucks, Texas "dodged a bullet."  If he's great, LSU will keep him.

The list of coaches who moved leading into the 2018 season is interesting:

1. Jimbo Fisher, A&M
2. Frost, Nebraska
3. Kelly, UCLA
4. Mullen, UF
5. Sumlin, Arizona
6. Taggart, FSU
7. Pruitt, Tennessee
8. Morris, Arkansas
9. Moorehead, MSU
10. Cristobal, Oregon
11. Smith, oregon St
12. Luke, Ole Miss
13. Edwards, ASU
14. Heupel, UCF
15. Napier, ULL
16. Sykes, SMU
17. Bloomgren, Rice

I am not sure any of those would have been attractive to the administration.  Who would the donors have targeted?

So - Should we be forever grateful that he lost to Kansas, even if it led to Herman?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/coaching-carousel-hires-2017-8-ranking-jimbo-fisher-scott-frost-chip-kelly-jeremy-pruitt/brjraf5r3rs51lup9e4ustz0n

Kind of feels like Chip Kelly, doesn't it. 

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11 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

I am not sure there is any revisionist history that includes a 4th year of Strong and puts Texas in a better place today. 

Meyer was in his final year at tosu - most likely (near 100%, IMO) off the table.
You are right that Herman is at LSU.  If he sucks, Texas "dodged a bullet."  If he's great, LSU will keep him.

The list of coaches who moved leading into the 2018 season is interesting:

1. Jimbo Fisher, A&M
2. Frost, Nebraska
3. Kelly, UCLA
4. Mullen, UF
5. Sumlin, Arizona
6. Taggart, FSU
7. Pruitt, Tennessee
8. Morris, Arkansas
9. Moorehead, MSU
10. Cristobal, Oregon
11. Smith, oregon St
12. Luke, Ole Miss
13. Edwards, ASU
14. Heupel, UCF
15. Napier, ULL
16. Dykes, SMU
17. Bloomgren, Rice

I am not sure any of those would have been attractive to the administration.  Who would the donors have targeted?

So - Should we be forever grateful that he lost to Kansas, even if it led to Herman?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/coaching-carousel-hires-2017-8-ranking-jimbo-fisher-scott-frost-chip-kelly-jeremy-pruitt/brjraf5r3rs51lup9e4ustz0n

That's a grim list. I was always hopeful for Justin Fuente and that would have been true in 2018 as well. Shows what I know. 

Maybe Texas gets brave and makes the play for Lincoln Riley first? Doubt it, but whatever. This is weird. I don't like the reality of that period and I also don't really see a lot to like about various alternative universes. Make it stop.

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19 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

I am not sure there is any revisionist history that includes a 4th year of Strong and puts Texas in a better place today. 

Meyer was in his final year at tosu - most likely (near 100%, IMO) off the table.
You are right that Herman is at LSU.  If he sucks, Texas "dodged a bullet."  If he's great, LSU will keep him.

The list of coaches who moved leading into the 2018 season is interesting:

1. Jimbo Fisher, A&M
2. Frost, Nebraska
3. Kelly, UCLA
4. Mullen, UF
5. Sumlin, Arizona
6. Taggart, FSU
7. Pruitt, Tennessee
8. Morris, Arkansas
9. Moorehead, MSU
10. Cristobal, Oregon
11. Smith, oregon St
12. Luke, Ole Miss
13. Edwards, ASU
14. Heupel, UCF
15. Napier, ULL
16. Dykes, SMU
17. Bloomgren, Rice

I am not sure any of those would have been attractive to the administration.  Who would the donors have targeted?

So - Should we be forever grateful that he lost to Kansas, even if it led to Herman?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/coaching-carousel-hires-2017-8-ranking-jimbo-fisher-scott-frost-chip-kelly-jeremy-pruitt/brjraf5r3rs51lup9e4ustz0n

This is an incredibly interesting post. And it tells me that fate is inevitable. Basically Texas would have hired one of these failures and been back in the market again for Sark. 

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On 7/23/2023 at 12:34 PM, NoRagrets said:

Yeah, his “we finally got a real football coach” take did not age well. I was wondering the other day if we would have been better off keeping Mack for 3-4 more years to avoid the shit show that was Charlie Strong’s era. We probably still end up with Herman, but the roster would have been in much better shape for Mensa. But I’m pretty glad mensa and his battering ram qb big 10 bs system is gone, as I’m a full Sark apologist at this point and think he’s the long term answer we need.

What did I just conclude? I don’t know. But buy the book. It’s the best out there. 

Mack was recruiting a Texas State level class. It would have been a similar level of fucked up, just in a different way 

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

There have been a few low points in the 40-ish years I've been following Texas football. 1989 Baylor game springs to mind. That Notre Dame game is another. IIRC, we only crossed midfield once or something? And that was the first game following the Texas bowl against Arkansas, with 45 total yards or whatever it was. I suppose those were both low points.

Just an immense feeling of "We are so far away from even being close to good." 

Strong had an impressively bad number of disasters. I have trouble picking the ten worst. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2014-09-06-texas.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2014-09-13-texas.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2014-10-25-kansas-state.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2014-11-27-texas.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2014-12-29-texas.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2015-09-05-notre-dame.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2015-10-03-texas-christian.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa-state/2015.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2015-11-14-west-virginia.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2016-11-19-kansas.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2016-11-25-texas.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2016-10-01-oklahoma-state.html

An under the radar favorite bad performance was the shutout loss to Iowa Steak the week they fired Mangino as OC 

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From that ND game:

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I just wanted to read about @Scipio's new book. Why are you assholes doing this?

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I still recall the description in the 2014 book of our slate of defensive backs as "a roaming pride of fuck-lions.". It still makes me chuckle.

That memory aside, Paul is a good writer with a strong working knowledge of the game. I don't begrudge him for not always accurately predicting the future.

Also, I don't recall laughing harder than I did at his 2013 Baylor game preview wherein Case McCoy makes a snow angel in the end zone screaming, "I am Colt!"

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Yes! This is the kind of analysis of the opposing teams’ band and journeyman starting QB you don’t get from the other publications! Well played, sir. Well played.