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Hank Kingsley · October 15

Oooooof....

Hank Kingsley · October 15

20 minutes ago, kevwun said:

You can tell Ikard wants to say a whole lots of things about Littrell, but is eating them. They gave themselves hope before the game because they cherry picked 3-4 busted plays by the Texas defense and convinced themselves OU could take advantage of them. I wonder if Teddy still thinks Hill avoids contact?

I actually want to give some credit to these Sooner fuck 9.95ers. They had their blinders on with the squeak by wins and "good" loss to Tennessee, but they finally see the writing on the wall. This team is dogshit and their program has fallen HARD very quickly.

With the portal and NIL, it doesn't have to be a long process for a bluebood to bounce back. But OU is in a baaaad spot. May it continue for as long as possible.

markstanco · October 15

#KeepBrent

kevwun · October 15

Maybe their next head coach will use that to his advantage when they fire Venables next year. He's not the guy and I will enjoy the rest of his time at OU.

Acropora · October 15

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

This whole thing is rather great. They are just despondent.

I love it. They are crushed and don't see a future that improves. It's gotta hurt to acknowledge the gap in execution, talent and coaching. It reminds me of a dark decade and makes the sooner tears better. Can't wait to see the Georgia follow-up radio shows next week!

Longboard Horn · October 15

THIS HAS AGED WONDERFULLY!

Fondren & Main · October 15

Don't you love stupid people? It's like they were made to amuse us.

mdmost · October 15

WelfareBuysMyWeed · October 15

1 hour ago, Longboard Horn said:

THIS HAS AGED WONDERFULLY!

Maybe he means that he thinks they'll go 5-7 and is waiting to throw it in everyone's over optimistic face

GabrielsHorn · October 15

Please let them fire Bedenbaugh. Would be a huge step back for the program.

kevwun · October 15

He apparently pulled their best OL for the rest of the game after he had a relatively minor mistake. Only played 20 something snaps.

AP101S · October 15

On 10/14/2024 at 8:44 AM, Hank Kingsley said:

Cross posting from the Billy Bowman thread, because fuck Billy Bowman

Billy Bowman announces new NIL deal with Slip’n Slide

Pimphand · October 15

Still pretty amusing that odds are high ole stinkin lincoln will forever hold the top spot in winning # for a coach with more than 20 games coached.

statsman · October 15

45 minutes ago, kevwun said:

He apparently pulled their best OL for the rest of the game after he had a relatively minor mistake. Only played 20 something snaps.

Thats what I love about the Venables staff. They act like there are still barriers to player movement.

LTtxfan · October 15

Woof... BV's leadership abilities should be questioned by gooner fans

Oklahoma Football: Brent Venables 10/15/24 Press Conference (Pre-South Carolina)

LTtxfan · October 16

Some blOU pundits hoping next OC will be

Brennan Marion

Longboard Horn · October 16

statsman · October 16

How is your day? Could you use a laugh?

Post Oak · October 16

Who is gonna be the first to page Nick Saban at the OKC airport.

dcar00 · October 16

NIL is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the dirt burglars. Similar to when Neb left Big 12.

it is always about the Jimmie's and Joe's but coaching will matter more now because you have to figure out how to integrate brand new players every year.

Mitch Cumsteen · October 16

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

NIL is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the dirt burglars. Similar to when Neb left Big 12.

it is always about the Jimmie's and Joe's but coaching will matter more now because you have to figure out how to integrate brand new players every year.

I don't know how many of their problems are strictly NIL related. Their defense is fine and they have talented players there. And they are well coached for the most part on that side of the ball.

They just took a blowtorch to entire offensive side of the ball. I don't know if it was a poor allocation of NIL resources or just a complete fuck up self-evaluating their talent. They did more to screw over their QB position this offseason than Lincoln Riley ever did. They had a whole year to look at Jackson Arnold and decided to hitch their wagon to him instead of doing whatever they needed to keep Gabriel or add some depth in the portal. The offensive line room was horribly, grossly mismanaged. Their best RB from last year is now tearing it up at Wisconsin. He was a fucking walk-on. Did Wisconsin money whip him or did OU just never offer him a scholarship? I honestly don't know. I give them a bit of a pass on WR because of the injuries, but it's not like Pettaway and Thompson weren't good enough to get scholarships from Texas.

dcar00 · October 16

1 minute ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I don't know how many of their problems are strictly NIL related. Their defense is fine and they have talented players there. And they are well coached for the most part on that side of the ball.

They just took a blowtorch to entire offensive side of the ball. I don't know if it was a poor allocation of NIL resources or just a complete fuck up self-evaluating their talent. They did more to screw over their QB position this offseason than Lincoln Riley ever did. They had a whole year to look at Jackson Arnold and decided to hitch their wagon to him instead of doing whatever they needed to keep Gabriel or add some depth in the portal. The offensive line room was horribly, grossly mismanaged. Their best RB from last year is now tearing it up at Wisconsin. He was a fucking walk-on. Did Wisconsin money whip him or did OU just never offer him a scholarship? I honestly don't know. I give them a bit of a pass on WR because of the injuries, but it's not like Pettaway and Thompson weren't good enough to get scholarships from Texas.

I admit it is an early prediction. Let's just say one of their big advantages is now gone.

statsman · October 16

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I don't know how many of their problems are strictly NIL related. Their defense is fine and they have talented players there. And they are well coached for the most part on that side of the ball.

They just took a blowtorch to entire offensive side of the ball. I don't know if it was a poor allocation of NIL resources or just a complete fuck up self-evaluating their talent. They did more to screw over their QB position this offseason than Lincoln Riley ever did. They had a whole year to look at Jackson Arnold and decided to hitch their wagon to him instead of doing whatever they needed to keep Gabriel or add some depth in the portal. The offensive line room was horribly, grossly mismanaged. Their best RB from last year is now tearing it up at Wisconsin. He was a fucking walk-on. Did Wisconsin money whip him or did OU just never offer him a scholarship? I honestly don't know. I give them a bit of a pass on WR because of the injuries, but it's not like Pettaway and Thompson weren't good enough to get scholarships from Texas.

I think their single biggest problem is that their program was extremely successful for almost a quarter of a century, and one of its pillars was that they would say and do what was needed to recruit well, and once those players were enrolled, the program was extremely demanding of them. Schmitty, Stoops, Venables, all those extreme hardasses could be as tough as they wanted or needed to be, because there were barriers to player movement. They could make a guy swallow the vomit from an over exertion. They could have a culture where a player was considered a pussy if he sought treatment for an injury rather than play through it in a big game. That all made the football better at OU.

Their success in developing players was enviable, and the ones that made it to the NFL weren’t going to claim, but the process was brutal. Do you think Mancini, fired at KU for being abusive to players, was softer at OU? Hell, no.

So, that worked for over 20 years, but now the barriers to player movement are gone. All of us in the regular workforce know that Gen Z has a limit to how much bullshit they will put up with (to their credit), and that’s a problem for Venables.

Venables made his bones in a system where the solution to performance problems was to grind harder and demand more. His player management toolset has one tool: a ratchet set to tighten only, and not loosen.

Yes, NIL is a problem. What are they going to do when the key players that they want to build on explore opportunities elsewhere? Is Venables ready to develop soft skills? Is that program?

I’ve read that, in the NFL, players won’t put up with abusive, hardass coaches (see Urban Meyer). They say the best NFL coaches are firm, but good communicators, that players will respond to demands from a coach that is honest with them, lets them know where they stand and where they are going. That sounds like Sark. Does that sound like Venables, or any others off the Stoops tree?

Edited October 16 by statsman

Doc Daneeka · October 16

Just now, statsman said:

They say the best NFL coaches are firm, but good communicators, that players will respond to demands from a coach that is honest with them, lets them know where they stand and where they are going. That sounds like Sark.

It absolutely fucking does not sound like Sarkisian. At all.

statsman · October 16

2 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

It absolutely fucking does not sound like Sarkisian. At all.

How so? Not firm? Not a good communicator?

Edited October 16 by statsman

Alien Octopus · October 16

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I don't know how many of their problems are strictly NIL related. Their defense is fine and they have talented players there. And they are well coached for the most part on that side of the ball.

They just took a blowtorch to entire offensive side of the ball. I don't know if it was a poor allocation of NIL resources or just a complete fuck up self-evaluating their talent. They did more to screw over their QB position this offseason than Lincoln Riley ever did. They had a whole year to look at Jackson Arnold and decided to hitch their wagon to him instead of doing whatever they needed to keep Gabriel or add some depth in the portal. The offensive line room was horribly, grossly mismanaged. Their best RB from last year is now tearing it up at Wisconsin. He was a fucking walk-on. Did Wisconsin money whip him or did OU just never offer him a scholarship? I honestly don't know. I give them a bit of a pass on WR because of the injuries, but it's not like Pettaway and Thompson weren't good enough to get scholarships from Texas.

Forde made an astute comment this morning on one of the Sirius xm shows, about how OU fucked themselves by only taking 4 oline recruits a couple of years back and they have paid for it this year. Don’t know if it is true, but certainly hope the spiral is hard to fix.

MontereyMX · October 16

On 10/15/2024 at 1:55 PM, LTtxfan said:

Woof... BV's leadership abilities should be questioned by gooner fans

Oklahoma Football: Brent Venables 10/15/24 Press Conference (Pre-South Carolina)

Is it possible to have Tourette’s and a stroke at the same time?

Hank Kingsley · October 17

Better quality gif for our records.

BigSwingingD · October 17

Maybe it's just me but I enjoy the ou pain and suffering.

Enjoy the suck, assholes.

Please keep BV.

Hook'em

Longboard Horn · October 17

South Austin · October 17

Rick Perry: "I'll be in my bunk."

BurntOrange&White · October 17

On 10/15/2024 at 8:31 AM, kevwun said:

You can tell Ikard wants to say a whole lots of things about Littrell, but is eating them. They gave themselves hope before the game because they cherry picked 3-4 busted plays by the Texas defense and convinced themselves OU could take advantage of them. I wonder if Teddy still thinks Hill avoids contact?

I kind of enjoyed watching both of them break down prior and our game. I love the detail they go in on some of the plays and such. Fuck em both but it's educational.

BigHornedLurker · October 17

19 hours ago, Post Oak said:

Who is gonna be the first to page Nick Saban at the OKC airport.

Oklahoma has an airport ?

kevwun · October 17

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I kind of enjoyed watching both of them break down prior and our game. I love the detail they go in on some of the plays and such. Fuck em both but it's educational.

Yeah, it's a shame they are sister fucking sooners. They put out pretty good stuff.

BigHornedLurker · October 17

you know its bad when cover guys are saying its a potential 5-7 year, hot damn i've been waiting for this moment since i started watching football and im not particularly young.

BigHornedLurker · October 17

23 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Some blOU pundits hoping next OC will be

Brennan Marion

would actually be a good hire for them, hopefully he smells blood in the water and goes anywhere else

Aqua Buddha · October 17

17 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

I don't know how many of their problems are strictly NIL related. Their defense is fine and they have talented players there. And they are well coached for the most part on that side of the ball.

They just took a blowtorch to entire offensive side of the ball. I don't know if it was a poor allocation of NIL resources or just a complete fuck up self-evaluating their talent. They did more to screw over their QB position this offseason than Lincoln Riley ever did. They had a whole year to look at Jackson Arnold and decided to hitch their wagon to him instead of doing whatever they needed to keep Gabriel or add some depth in the portal. The offensive line room was horribly, grossly mismanaged. Their best RB from last year is now tearing it up at Wisconsin. He was a fucking walk-on. Did Wisconsin money whip him or did OU just never offer him a scholarship? I honestly don't know. I give them a bit of a pass on WR because of the injuries, but it's not like Pettaway and Thompson weren't good enough to get scholarships from Texas.

I don't understand how the QB situation and the talent evaluation. They recruited well so NIL likely isn't the problem. (Arnold and Hawkins were both blue chip recruits.) Arnold obviously isn't very good for some reason and they had an entire year with him to asses that. So then Lebby leaves and they then decide to go balls deep with Arnold. They hired the OC he wanted to run the offense he wanted. This wasn't some big time recruit they made promises to. This was a guy already on the roster and if I remember right, there were stories over the summer that he just wasn't very good in practice.

Then you have them making a terrible OC hire to add on.

statsman · October 17

10 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I don't understand how the QB situation and the talent evaluation. They recruited well so NIL likely isn't the problem. (Arnold and Hawkins were both blue chip recruits.) Arnold obviously isn't very good for some reason and they had an entire year with him to asses that. So then Lebby leaves and they then decide to go balls deep with Arnold. They hired the OC he wanted to run the offense he wanted. This wasn't some big time recruit they made promises to. This was a guy already on the roster and if I remember right, there were stories over the summer that he just wasn't very good in practice.

Then you have them making a terrible OC hire to add on.

Venables made the same mistake the OU fans did. The main reason that touted young QBs as inexperienced as Arnold (Bradford, Williams) worked out is that they were:

1. Exceptionally talented

2. Exceptionally well coached

The reason that Venables and OU fans expected Arnold to work out are:

1. He wears the OU uniform (just like Bradford and Williams)

2. They really need him to.
A five star rating is an assessment of talent, not a definition of talent

Fans are expected to be idiots like that. It’s malpractice for coaches to.

Edited October 17 by statsman

Longboard Horn · October 17

10 hours ago, BigSwingingD said:

Maybe it's just me but I enjoy the ou pain and suffering.

Enjoy the suck, assholes.

Please keep BV.

Hook'em

They're going to keep Burnt Vegetables. Remember after going 10-3 last year OU gave him a 6 year contract extension

HtownHorn · October 17

21 hours ago, statsman said:

How is your day? Could you use a laugh?

They will never admit it, but Saban's ability to replicate what he did at Alabama is only possible at a few schools in the NIL era, and OU is not one of them.

dcar00 · October 17

The playing field is, at best, level, for them now. They used to have an advantage, which we tried to counter with education/Austin, but the market is now free to do what the market does. IMHO, that is not good for dirt burglar but we will see.

Aqua Buddha · October 17

34 minutes ago, statsman said:

Venables made the same mistake the OU fans did. The main reason that touted young QBs as inexperienced as Arnold (Bradford, Williams) worked out is that they were:

1. Exceptionally talented

2. Exceptionally well coached

The reason that Venables and OU fans expected Arnold to work out are:

1. He wears the OU uniform (just like Bradford and Williams)

2. They really need him to.
A five star rating is an assessment of talent, not a definition of talent

Fans are expected to be idiots like that. It’s malpractice for coaches to.

Yeah, talent assessment is a core function of the job of a coach. It's understandable for OU fans to think Arnold would be good. The coaches saw him every day for a year and still made the decisions they made.

Aqua Buddha · October 17

13 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

They will never admit it, but Saban's ability to replicate what he did at Alabama is only possible at a few schools in the NIL era, and OU is not one of them.

And neither is Bama.

BigHornedLurker · October 17

they made a major mistake in promoting Littrel.

Lebby was already hated at OU for his shitty offense, and he was the brains of the offense. He knew he was hated, and so he took the first ride out of there to MSU

Venables decided to promote within for some consistency, its not wrong when the offense is working well but DG was putting a lot of work in to make things work. Littrel is the shitty version of Lebby who architected their offense. Now that its not working he doens't know how to fix it, and they having some freshman at QB who dont have the experience either and a new offensive line who also doesn't have the depth or experience to cover deficiencies.

We've seen how this works out with Charlie Strong, and its spectacularly bad. With the portal era its possible to fix the issue more quickly but these are not quick fixes. You also need a name at OC to attract people.

We again saw this with Charlie Strong, and we had to fly our AD to fucking nowhere's ville to entice some shitty OC to even take the job , who was over paid, and fired a year later when we fired Strong.

What I'm hoping to see is a similar set of issues, we see Venables fired next year after another shitty year and OU really stuck in a hard place trying to figure out what to do next combining with churning through Offensive Coaches and Offense Schemes that really sets back the OU offense for years.

Edited October 17 by BigHornedLurker

statsman · October 17

21 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

they made a major mistake in promoting Littrel.

Lebby was already hated at OU for his shitty offense, and he was the brains of the offense. He knew he was hated, and so he took the first ride out of there to MSU

Venables decided to promote within for some consistency, its not wrong when the offense is working well but DG was putting a lot of work in to make things work. Littrel is the shitty version of Lebby who architected their offense. Now that its not working he doens't know how to fix it, and they having some freshman at QB who dont have the experience either and a new offensive line who also doesn't have the depth or experience to cover deficiencies.

We've seen how this works out with Charlie Strong, and its spectacularly bad. With the portal era its possible to fix the issue more quickly but these are not quick fixes. You also need a name at OC to attract people.

We again saw this with Charlie Strong, and we had to fly our AD to fucking nowhere's ville to entice some shitty OC to even take the job , who was over paid, and fired a year later when we fired Strong.

What I'm hoping to see is a similar set of issues, we see Venables fired next year after another shitty year and OU really stuck in a hard place trying to figure out what to do next combining with churning through Offensive Coaches and Offense Schemes that really sets back the OU offense for years.

Ian Boyd wrote on IT that the Arnold camp wanted Littrell as OC. Take it for what it’s worth.

Either way, Venables owns the decision.

HtownHorn · October 17

45 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Yeah, talent assessment is a core function of the job of a coach. It's understandable for OU fans to think Arnold would be good. The coaches saw him every day for a year and still made the decisions they made.

Granted that was a different OC and scheme. Arnold is probably a decent fit for the Veer and Shoot that Lebby runs. What he is not a good fit for is this quasi Air Raid/Veer and shoot scheme that Littrell has never called and Venables is forcing on him.

Edited October 17 by HtownHorn

HtownHorn · October 17

33 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

they made a major mistake in promoting Littrel.

Lebby was already hated at OU for his shitty offense, and he was the brains of the offense. He knew he was hated, and so he took the first ride out of there to MSU

Lebby is a giant piece of shit, but he's a very good OC.

2019 - UCF (19th OFEI)

2020 - Ole Miss (8th)

2021 - Ole Miss (14th)

2022 - OU (24th) - missing Gabriel half the season

2023 - OU (9th)

2024 - MSU (52nd) * OU (59th)

Hank Kingsley · October 17

The Briles offense is perfect for running up stats when playing shitty competition, but has clearly been susceptible against real defenses now that it's been around for a while. Huepel and Kiffin have found out. I hope big programs continue to run it.

Edited October 17 by Hank Kingsley

jofus · October 17

markstanco · October 17

TX OU game replay on SEC network right now. Tell any ou co-workers that they should watch until about 11:30A then turn it off.

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