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5 minutes ago, Royale with cheese said:

You say that like Chicago's better.

Than Norman? When you're super rich? Fuck yes, not a debate.

A global capital of arts, culture, and industry, on a beautiful lake with one of the best food scenes in the world. Dude isn't hanging out on the Southside.

Norman doesn't even really have the weather argument to fall back on.

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1 hour ago, texifornia said:

What a day for OU

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so word is Nagy told him that he needed to take a paycut... basically his production didn't merit the money he was making.. so he is walking away.

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5 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

so word is Nagy told him that he needed to take a paycut... basically his production didn't merit the money he was making.. so he is walking away.

They may be right.  He did jack shit last year.  

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Acquiring a rep for (1) getting lackluster performance out of blue chip recruits and (2) cutting second-year NIL to said recruits seems unlikely to help their recruiting or their negotiations for the first year of future NIL deals on other blue chip recruits. I am here for it.

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36 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

so word is Nagy told him that he needed to take a paycut... basically his production didn't merit the money he was making.. so he is walking away.

His deal was made before Nagy 

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6 hours ago, Thiefery said:

yes it was, but he still told him that he was going to take a pay cut..

This has more to do with his handlers than anything. They know they can get more than OU is wanting to pony up, and I can’t blame them. It’s a bad look for the football program. My son hangs around a bunch of the kids he grew up with and I’ve been around David a  couple times. He has always been very pleasant to me, but he has some people pulling him in wrong directions. 

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1 hour ago, Pdawg88 said:

This has more to do with his handlers than anything. They know they can get more than OU is wanting to pony up, and I can’t blame them. It’s a bad look for the football program. My son hangs around a bunch of the kids he grew up with and I’ve been around David a  couple times. He has always been very pleasant to me, but he has some people pulling him in wrong directions. 

My man, where are you hearing that he was asking for more money? Sure his family is living off him, that sucks.. However they didn't ask for more, their son was told he was going to take a paycut for not living up to expectations/production as a true freshman.. 

 

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21 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

My man, where are you hearing that he was asking for more money? Sure his family is living off him, that sucks.. However they didn't ask for more, their son was told he was going to take a paycut for not living up to expectations/production as a true freshman.. 

 

Never said he asked for more money, I said he can get more. His new contract was incentive based, and that was fine until it wasn’t. 

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1 hour ago, Thiefery said:

My man, where are you hearing that he was asking for more money? Sure his family is living off him, that sucks.. However they didn't ask for more, their son was told he was going to take a paycut for not living up to expectations/production as a true freshman.. 

 

Miami has allegedly tampered with him and offered him $1M. We’ll see if there’s any truth to that, but that’s how it is being framed on Sooner Illustrated. 

One of the alleged “insiders” and several of the moderators are really touting Nagy as a wizard who is going to reshape their whole org into a machine. 

Washing machine, maybe. The current set-up looks hilariously dysfunctional. The “GM” reports above the AD. The HC reports to the AD and the AD reports into the same role as the “GM”. 

That structure means the HC is absolutely fucked. He’s lost control of personnel evaluation to a wonk who cast out of the NFL personnel world. The guy was in purgatory running an annual bowl camp in Alabama with less than 10 employees and doing his own PR.  That dude now controls who Venables has on staff and the make-up of his roster. He doesn’t even have to meet regularly with Venables or consult with him. 

“But ctj, that’s how many NFL orgs work!?!”

The idiotic talking heads on XM 84, including guests from ESPN, Fox, SEC/ACC/Big 10 networks, The Athletic and so on have all convinced themselves of the argument. “OU’s ahead of the curve. This is the way things will be structured at all schools in the future. Look at Stanford as well!”

Maybe. Maybe CFB HC’s are as fungible as NFL HC’s. 

I’m not sure I see it that way. There’s way more variance in numerous aspects of CFB that don’t exist in the NFL. One in particular is that the budget for the roster is nowhere near parity across the sport, even in each conference. OU can pat itself on the back about being disciplined and essentially telling Stone to walk with a big pay cut. Do Texas or Georgia have to do the same thing with their freshmen 5 stars going into their sophomore season? No. They do not. 

Who is better off by the time the ball kicks off in August? 

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29 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Miami has allegedly tampered with him and offered him $1M. We’ll see if there’s any truth to that, but that’s how it is being framed on Sooner Illustrated. 

One of the alleged “insiders” and several of the moderators are really touting Nagy as a wizard who is going to reshape their whole org into a machine. 

Washing machine, maybe. The current set-up looks hilariously dysfunctional. The “GM” reports above the AD. The HC reports to the AD and the AD reports into the same role as the “GM”. 

That structure means the HC is absolutely fucked. He’s lost control of personnel evaluation to a wonk who cast out of the NFL personnel world. The guy was in purgatory running an annual bowl camp in Alabama with less than 10 employees and doing his own PR.  That dude now controls who Venables has on staff and the make-up of his roster. He doesn’t even have to meet regularly with Venables or consult with him. 

“But ctj, that’s how many NFL orgs work!?!”

The idiotic talking heads on XM 84, including guests from ESPN, Fox, SEC/ACC/Big 10 networks, The Athletic and so on have all convinced themselves of the argument. “OU’s ahead of the curve. This is the way things will be structured at all schools in the future. Look at Stanford as well!”

Maybe. Maybe CFB HC’s are as fungible as NFL HC’s. 

I’m not sure I see it that way. There’s way more variance in numerous aspects of CFB that don’t exist in the NFL. One in particular is that the budget for the roster is nowhere near parity across the sport, even in each conference. OU can pay itself on the back about being disciplined and essentially telling Stone to walk with a big pay cut. Do Texas or Georgia have to do the same thing with their freshmen 5 stars going into their sophomore season? No. They do not. 

Who is better off by the time the ball kicks off in August? 

If fasusi doesn't make an impact this fall... He too at risk for taking a paycut? 👀 

Stone was better off getting an injury, he probably would have gotten a raise and his parents an upgraded home.. Or pool.. Worked for Burkes 👀 

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37 minutes ago, Pdawg88 said:

Never said he asked for more money, I said he can get more. His new contract was incentive based, and that was fine until it wasn’t. 

Wait.. so he left because he failed to reach incentives, which have forced him into a paycut? 

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1 minute ago, Thiefery said:

Wait.. so he left because he failed to reach incentives, which have forced him into a paycut? 

If you fail to hit the incentive targets, you make less money, that's how contracts work.

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46 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

Wait.. so he left because he failed to reach incentives, which have forced him into a paycut? 

He finished his contract for last year. He then renegotiated a contract where his base went down but incentives went way up. Had he hit the incentives he would have made more money. He signed the contract and everything was peachy, his handlers got a couple calls and voila here we are. 

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

The level of getting down in their feels about “today’s state of college football” is unbelievable now. They’re projecting the downfall of college football because they’re poor and think everyone else must be as well. Here’s one of my favorite takes today:

 

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Cheer up OU.  As bad as today is it’s better than what the next few years will be. 

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One thing is clear- in this era of college football with eight figure roster salary totals, and near unrestricted freedom of movement, Texas has thought through some things, like:

- what to do when a top recruit costs more than you are paying entrenched starters

- what to do when a player performs well but the scale for his position rises dramatically 

- what to do when a costly recruit doesn’t produce quickly

that our competitors are working through on the fly. I know nothing of Texas One background, if the primary funders insisted that parameters and protocols be worked out in advance, in a coherent manner. 
 
I bet, though, that the funders of One Oklahoma’s are asking now why it is such a shit show, why they paid nearly a million for 96 snaps that are now going to Miami or similar. 

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9 hours ago, statsman said:

One thing is clear- in this era of college football with eight figure roster salary totals, and near unrestricted freedom of movement, Texas has thought through some things, like:

- what to do when a top recruit costs more than you are paying entrenched starters

- what to do when a player performs well but the scale for his position rises dramatically 

- what to do when a costly recruit doesn’t produce quickly

that our competitors are working through on the fly. I know nothing of Texas One background, if the primary funders insisted that parameters and protocols be worked out in advance, in a coherent manner. 
 
I bet, though, that the funders of One Oklahoma’s are asking now why it is such a shit show, why they paid nearly a million for 96 snaps that are now going to Miami or similar. 

One unlikely person helped Texas figure some things out really quickly at the dawn of all of this stuff. That person? Abraham Lincoln. … No, actually, Lincoln Riley. 

Why Lincoln Riley? He tampered directly with Xavier Worthy and offered him $1M that he did not have at that moment in time.  The offer came with less than a day of portal window left.

The Texas end had to figure out really quickly what it could do, wanted to do, needed to do, and how this stuff needed to be proactively sorted in the future. 

That doesn’t mean anything is perfect, but a lot of turbulence has already been put behind Texas compared to many other programs. 

BTW, in that same cycle, Jordan Addison took the same offer. He’s still waiting to get paid most of that money. 

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5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

One unlikely person helped Texas figure some things out really quickly at the dawn of all of this stuff. That person? Abraham Lincoln. … No, actually, Lincoln Riley. 

Why Lincoln Riley? He tampered directly with Xavier Worthy and offered him $1M that he did not have at that moment in time.  The offer came with less than a day of portal window left.

The Texas end had to figure out really quickly what it could do, wanted to do, needed to do, and how this stuff needed to be proactively sorted in the future. 

That doesn’t mean anything is perfect, but a lot of turbulence has already been put behind Texas compared to many other programs. 

BTW, in that same cycle, Jordan Addison took the same offer. He’s still waiting to get paid most of that money. 

Thanks, that really provides insight. I wonder how much of USC’ struggles come from an organizational dysfunction in this new era (supposedly, Texas has a good rep among players and their agents for coming through on promises, and others have…less good reps). 
 
Similarly, I’ve seen posters wonder why tOSU hired ex Ag AD Bjork as their AD, considering him kind of a clown from his ago days. I think the Buckeyes view it differently- he was AD when Ag football signed (bought) the top recruiting class ever. The Buckeyes care less that the class flameout in failure than that Bjork, at the least, turned a blind eye to football dropping bags or, at the most, ran interference for them as they dropped those bags. That’s the kind of AD tOSU wants. 

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On 4/19/2025 at 3:27 PM, closetojumping said:

The level of getting down in their feels about “today’s state of college football” is unbelievable now. They’re projecting the downfall of college football because they’re poor and think everyone else must be as well. Here’s one of my favorite takes today:

 

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Wah 😭 the cheating douchebags are sad they can’t cheat to win anymore.

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1 hour ago, Scholz said:

Wah 😭 the cheating douchebags are sad they can’t cheat to win anymore.

I still love you buddy. Happy Easter to you and your loved ones. 

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They realized just what a bad look this was, and fixed it. Meaning- they took money they intended to apply elsewhere and gave it to Stone. 
 
The OU big money guys now know that Nagy is a bum. Great work, guys!

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11 hours ago, statsman said:

They realized just what a bad look this was, and fixed it. Meaning- they took money they intended to apply elsewhere and gave it to Stone. 
 
The OU big money guys now know that Nagy is a bum. Great work, guys!

I am now reading that the reduced contract was instituted before Nagy, under the Venables regime, and that Nagy cleaned the mess up, realizing what a black eye this is. 
 
A couple of comments- NIL has verbs few rules, but one rule that exists is that it can’t be performance-based, yet that is exactly what OU gave Stone initially. 
 
For all the complaints the Sooners had about other teams tampering with their roster- Nagy absolutely tampered with the RB, Ott, before the portal opened, and they are all fine operating that way. Ethics, in Soonerland, are situational, as they always have been. 
 
it is almost 20 years since the Sooner Big Red Auto scandal. Stoops got a lot of mileage out of kicking his starting QB, Bomar, and his backup OL off the team as a consequence of getting paid for little work. It never gets mentioned that AD Peterson and his father were also getting (bigger) pay for no work from Big Red, and there were no consequences for them. The truth is- they were kind of ready to move on from Bomar,or at least, they weren’t ready to go to the mat with the NCAA over him. 

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31 minutes ago, statsman said:

I am now reading that the reduced contract was instituted before Nagy, under the Venables regime, and that Nagy cleaned the mess up, realizing what a black eye this is. 
 
A couple of comments- NIL has verbs few rules, but one rule that exists is that it can’t be performance-based, yet that is exactly what OU gave Stone initially. 
 
For all the complaints the Sooners had about other teams tampering with their roster- Nagy absolutely tampered with the RB, Ott, before the portal opened, and they are all fine operating that way. Ethics, in Soonerland, are situational, as they always have been. 
 
it is almost 20 years since the Sooner Big Red Auto scandal. Stoops got a lot of mileage out of kicking his starting QB, Bomar, and his backup OL off the team as a consequence of getting paid for little work. It never gets mentioned that AD Peterson and his father were also getting (bigger) pay for no work from Big Red, and there were no consequences for them. The truth is- they were kind of ready to move on from Bomar,or at least, they weren’t ready to go to the mat with the NCAA over him. 

The same people saying that the Stone deal was screwed up before Nagy are the same ones who were claiming a few days ago that this was all intentional and that Nagy was fine with him leaving. 

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On 4/19/2025 at 8:32 AM, closetojumping said:

 He’s lost control of personnel evaluation to a wonk who cast out of the NFL personnel world. The guy was in purgatory running an annual bowl camp in Alabama with less than 10 employees and doing his own PR.  That dude now controls who Venables has on staff and the make-up of his roster. He doesn’t even have to meet regularly with Venables or consult with him. 

 

He pissed off a lot of NFL people by talking shit about the other draft bowl game (The Shrine Bowl) on twitter. Seems a little thin skinned 

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

The same people saying that the Stone deal was screwed up before Nagy are the same ones who were claiming a few days ago that this was all intentional and that Nagy was fine with him leaving. 

and now Nagy is basking from terrific PR by his fans "In Nagy we trust"...

 

hell even one of their twitter mouthpieces said Nagy should have a statue in their heisman area just for getting Stone to return lol

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3 hours ago, statsman said:

I am now reading that the reduced contract was instituted before Nagy, under the Venables regime, and that Nagy cleaned the mess up, realizing what a black eye this is. 
 
A couple of comments- NIL has verbs few rules, but one rule that exists is that it can’t be performance-based, yet that is exactly what OU gave Stone initially. 
 
For all the complaints the Sooners had about other teams tampering with their roster- Nagy absolutely tampered with the RB, Ott, before the portal opened, and they are all fine operating that way. Ethics, in Soonerland, are situational, as they always have been. 
 
it is almost 20 years since the Sooner Big Red Auto scandal. Stoops got a lot of mileage out of kicking his starting QB, Bomar, and his backup OL off the team as a consequence of getting paid for little work. It never gets mentioned that AD Peterson and his father were also getting (bigger) pay for no work from Big Red, and there were no consequences for them. The truth is- they were kind of ready to move on from Bomar,or at least, they weren’t ready to go to the mat with the NCAA over him. 

See post 4457, this deal was put together before Nagy. And you are correct, he realized how fucked it was and straightened it up. 

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