A&M botches hiring of Aggie grad to lead Journalism department because she’s black, leads to President resignation.

[TexasEd 8066]

Tenured journalism professor at UT offered department head at aggy (her alma mater) but she’s not aggy enough because she worked at NY Times and Texas and they admit to changing the agreed position terms because she’s also black. This leads to the president of aggy resigning. 
 

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/21/tamu-president-resign-journalism/

[ztejas 43383]

Dear God these people can't even spell Zachary correctly. 

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Zachry Engineering Education Complex

 

[BigHorn'13 3359]

56 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

Tenured journalism professor at UT offered department head at aggy (her alma mater) but she’s not aggy enough because she worked at NY Times and Texas and they admit to changing the agreed position terms because she’s also black. This leads to the president of aggy resigning. 
 

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/21/tamu-president-resign-journalism/

Fify

[Deej 76641]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Dear God these people can't even spell Zachary correctly. 

 

They can't spell UT correctly. 

[Hammerin Hank 1224]

I’m shocked that they had an on campus drag show, but even more shocked that students protested its removal.

Her administration also faced pushback from students after the school decided to cut funding and sponsorship of an annual campus drag show, known as Draggieland

[The Ace of Aces 5153]

Fuck aggy

[Celery Man 20911]

1 hour ago, TexasEd said:

Tenured journalism professor at UT offered department head at aggy (her alma mater) but she’s not aggy enough

taptaptap.mspaint

[Kennythetiger 9357]

Black is a color, not a name. 
 

[atomheartbevo 89503]

1 hour ago, Hammerin Hank said:

I’m shocked that they had an on campus drag show, but even more shocked that students protested its removal.

Her administration also faced pushback from students after the school decided to cut funding and sponsorship of an annual campus drag show, known as Draggieland

I'm not.  They have one of the largest LBGTQ library collections in the country

https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/2020/06/26/the-importance-of-the-don-kelly-research-collection-of-gay-literature-and-culture/

https://cushing.library.tamu.edu/programs/don_kelly_fellowship.html

https://www.thebatt.com/news/cushing-unveils-gay-literature-collection/article_fae8df16-d8ee-11e4-a955-4f60ddf00d44.html

 

[Hammerin Hank 1224]

23 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not.  They have one of the largest LBGTQ library collections in the country

https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/2020/06/26/the-importance-of-the-don-kelly-research-collection-of-gay-literature-and-culture/

https://cushing.library.tamu.edu/programs/don_kelly_fellowship.html

https://www.thebatt.com/news/cushing-unveils-gay-literature-collection/article_fae8df16-d8ee-11e4-a955-4f60ddf00d44.html

 

Did not know that, but it’s also shocking to me. 

[Beau Vine 54052]

I still want to know how much of a salary premium A&M had to offer a tenured, black woman to get her to accept.

[Beau Vine 54052]

35 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not.  They have one of the largest LBGTQ library collections in the country

https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/2020/06/26/the-importance-of-the-don-kelly-research-collection-of-gay-literature-and-culture/

https://cushing.library.tamu.edu/programs/don_kelly_fellowship.html

https://www.thebatt.com/news/cushing-unveils-gay-literature-collection/article_fae8df16-d8ee-11e4-a955-4f60ddf00d44.html

 

Does Dan Patrick know about LBGTQ coloring books?

[freyguy 4252]

The ags are turning inside out, and it's hilarious. 

In our time (90s), they internally jeered the corps as an idiotic minority.  Now the die hard red asses are the minority.

This is glorious.

[atomheartbevo 89503]

49 minutes ago, Hammerin Hank said:

Did not know that, but it’s also shocking to me. 

You know who was even more shocked?  TexAgs.  There was a thread about it on TOS when it happened, with a bunch of screen caps of the TA threads (multiple threads).

[Rimbo 25880]

"There’s much more I could say and will say about what has unfolded. But for now, I’ll reserve those statements for a future date."

Never piss off people who buy ink by the barrel.

[TexasEd 8066]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not.  They have one of the largest LBGTQ library collections in the country

https://liberalarts.tamu.edu/blog/2020/06/26/the-importance-of-the-don-kelly-research-collection-of-gay-literature-and-culture/

https://cushing.library.tamu.edu/programs/don_kelly_fellowship.html

https://www.thebatt.com/news/cushing-unveils-gay-literature-collection/article_fae8df16-d8ee-11e4-a955-4f60ddf00d44.html

 

One of the related articles I read explained how the former president (same one that just resigned) converted all the tenured librarian positions to non-tenured.  Tenured librarians had to take on another role to keep tenure.

I guess that’s one way to “fire” tenured employees.  I’d bet the collections you mentioned played a part.

[Nivek 16877]

12 hours ago, Kennythetiger said:

Black is a color, not a name. 
 

black is not a color.

[deadshank 24651]

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

Dear God these people can't even spell Zachary correctly. 

 

Please tell me you’re joking. 

[boilerhorn 1341]

11 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

I still want to know how much of a salary premium A&M had to offer a tenured, black woman to get her to accept.

This.  The Tribune article implies that the aTm offer started as "Tenure Track" and devolved into 5-year contract then 1-year contract.  There's no way she should or would accept a non-tenured position.  That said, "Tenure Track" for a previously tenured professor might just be procedural and the tenure becomes a rubber stamp after a "trial period."

That aside, Texas A&M really screwed this up.  Not that it matters to them, but this sets them back another decade.

The NYT adds some flavor:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/12/us/texas-a-m-kathleen-mcelroy.html

 

[Bookman 4624]

On 7/21/2023 at 9:48 PM, Hammerin Hank said:

Did not know that, but it’s also shocking to me. 

Texas A&M has a very large, active gay organization. It's called the Corps of Cadets.

[closetohumping 17413]

On 7/21/2023 at 8:07 PM, freyguy said:

The ags are turning inside out, and it's hilarious. 

In our time (90s), they internally jeered the corps as an idiotic minority.  Now the die hard red asses are the minority.

This is glorious.

Yea idk.  I’d guess the aggy student body is still pretty conservative 

[aggie08 21455]

43 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yea idk.  I’d guess the aggy student body is still pretty conservative 

For typical college student standards? Absolutely. Compared to the majority of the Texas population? They're well left of center. Biden won pretty easily among the student population. Granted, a lot of them will stay in Texas, get a job in oil and gas, buy a house, pop out some kids, and eventually become their bass ackwards parents.

[closetohumping 17413]

4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

For typical college student standards? Absolutely. Compared to the majority of the Texas population? They're well left of center. Biden won pretty easily among the student population. Granted, a lot of them will stay in Texas, get a job in oil and gas, buy a house, pop out some kids, and eventually become their bass ackwards parents.

Interesting. Where can I see the numbers?  Would be interested to see all university votes

[Captainant 27515]

23 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Interesting. Where can I see the numbers?  Would be interested to see all university votes

I mean, there's a reason the state lege has been making it harder for college students to vote. 

[Js1 85162]

40 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Interesting. Where can I see the numbers?  Would be interested to see all university votes

NYT map

[closetohumping 17413]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

NYT map

Thank you.  Proof is in the pudding unless some of them checked the wrong box because of their sheep or accidentally got tobacky juice on the ballot?

[Celery Man 20911]

23 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

This.  The Tribune article implies that the aTm offer started as "Tenure Track" and devolved into 5-year contract then 1-year contract.  There's no way she should or would accept a non-tenured position.  That said, "Tenure Track" for a previously tenured professor might just be procedural and the tenure becomes a rubber stamp after a "trial period."

That aside, Texas A&M really screwed this up.  Not that it matters to them, but this sets them back another decade.

The NYT adds some flavor:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/12/us/texas-a-m-kathleen-mcelroy.html

 

almost to the '50s. The good '50s 😉

[CooterBrown 17950]

I still want to know how much of a salary premium A&M had to offer a tenured, black woman to get her to accept.

She was an aggy grad “going home”. She was probably taking a pay cut to go to her alma mater and unfortunately found out the hard way how much aggy thought of her aggy bonafides.

[South Austin 52204]

It's not entirely clear to me if Banks' resignation was forced because she orchestrated the revised job offers that led to McElroy declining the position and/or the school needed a scape-goat for the bad publicity this fuck-up has been generating.  Or, were others completely behind this and Banks said, "fuck this place, I'm out of here." 

[Scheiss Meister 8406]

I saw on the news last night that Banks will not receive a pay-out or severance package.  They've also started calling it a resignation, when she clearly said retirement.  I don't think that she knew about the revisions and saw that she was going to be the scapegoat.  I think she objected to what was going on and hit the bricks.  Being who and what they are, aggy will smear her for not playing along.

[Ghost of LL 15500]

On 7/21/2023 at 7:54 PM, Hammerin Hank said:

I’m shocked that they had an on campus drag show, but even more shocked that students protested its removal.

Her administration also faced pushback from students after the school decided to cut funding and sponsorship of an annual campus drag show, known as Draggieland

"Draggieland" is actually really funny.

[JesusSweatDuck 17780]

34 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I saw on the news last night that Banks will not receive a pay-out or severance package.  They've also started calling it a resignation, when she clearly said retirement.  I don't think that she knew about the revisions and saw that she was going to be the scapegoat.  I think she objected to what was going on and hit the bricks.  Being who and what they are, aggy will smear her for not playing along.

Think you're wrong here.  From the Tribune article: 

"However, Hart Blanton, the head of the university's department of communications and journalism who was closely involved in McElroy's recruiting, said in a statement Friday that Banks interfered with the hiring process early on and that race was a factor in university officials' decision to water down the job offer."

Sounds like Banks was fucking around, and she found out.  

[Scheiss Meister 8406]

11 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Think you're wrong here.  From the Tribune article: 

"However, Hart Blanton, the head of the university's department of communications and journalism who was closely involved in McElroy's recruiting, said in a statement Friday that Banks interfered with the hiring process early on and that race was a factor in university officials' decision to water down the job offer."

Sounds like Banks was fucking around, and she found out.  

I admit that I have not seen this.  If this is so, let her keep finding out.

[immamac 42724]

Why is this still the code of honor. It seems like all aggy does is lie cheat and steal or tolerate those who do. 

[South Austin 52204]

25 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Think you're wrong here.  From the Tribune article: 

"However, Hart Blanton, the head of the university's department of communications and journalism who was closely involved in McElroy's recruiting, said in a statement Friday that Banks interfered with the hiring process early on and that race was a factor in university officials' decision to water down the job offer."

Sounds like Banks was fucking around, and she found out.  

But this is what Banks says according to the Tribune:  "During that meeting, Banks took responsibility for the flawed hiring process but told faculty members that she did not approve changes to an offer letter that led a prospective journalism professor to walk away from negotiations amid conservative backlash to her hiring."

However, the article also discusses how Banks' tenure as university president has been less than stellar:  "During that time, faculty leaders have passed resolutions calling for more involvement in university decisions, and research leaders on campus raised concerns with her administration’s decision-making. She was forced to walk back the decision to abruptly end the print publication of the university’s student newspaper, The Battalion, after students and alumni protested. Her administration also faced pushback from students after the school decided to cut funding and sponsorship of an annual campus drag show, known as Draggieland."

So maybe this fuck up was primarily hers.  But she certainly wasn't a lone ranger on this one.

[Pig Bellmont 8697]

40 minutes ago, immamac said:

Why is this still the code of honor. It seems like all aggy does is lie cheat and steal or tolerate those who do. 

So they can cosplay as West Point cadets

[SydneyCarton 47936]

35 minutes ago, South Austin said:

But this is what Banks says according to the Tribune:  "During that meeting, Banks took responsibility for the flawed hiring process but told faculty members that she did not approve changes to an offer letter that led a prospective journalism professor to walk away from negotiations amid conservative backlash to her hiring."

However, the article also discusses how Banks' tenure as university president has been less than stellar:  "During that time, faculty leaders have passed resolutions calling for more involvement in university decisions, and research leaders on campus raised concerns with her administration’s decision-making. She was forced to walk back the decision to abruptly end the print publication of the university’s student newspaper, The Battalion, after students and alumni protested. Her administration also faced pushback from students after the school decided to cut funding and sponsorship of an annual campus drag show, known as Draggieland."

So maybe this fuck up was primarily hers.  But she certainly wasn't a lone ranger on this one.

She absolutely was the woman they hired, and she went and executed on those ideals every stop of the way. Banning drag shows, banning free press, and the faculty all hating her decisions. This exactly as she has been portrayed, imo. She may have fucked up the hire, but she fucked up the hire becuase her power backers were telling her how to handle the hire.

It's like, and stop me if you've heard this before, their academic department is a cesspool of special interests and boosters that demand to have their racist taints licked at every turn. Every accusaiton. 

[nbmishoid 948]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

She absolutely was the woman they hired, and she went and executed on those ideals every stop of the way. Banning drag shows, banning free press, and the faculty all hating her decisions. This exactly as she has been portrayed, imo. She may have fucked up the hire, but she fucked up the hire becuase her power backers were telling her how to handle the hire.

It's like, and stop me if you've heard this before, their academic department is a cesspool of special interests and boosters that demand to have their racist taints licked at every turn. Every accusaiton. 

Racist taints.  No thanks for that thought, Sid.

[South Austin 52204]

I’m claiming Racist Taints as my future skinhead speed metal band.

[hookemATL 11617]

My taint is the only racist part of my body. Was wiping my ass the other day and he goes “hey did you know Jews control everything and black people will carjack you at a moments notice?”  I was like, “ok taint that’s super offensive. Please don’t say that to my black Jew wife.”

[Js1 85162]

2 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

My taint is the only racist part of my body. Was wiping my ass the other day and he goes “hey did you know Jews control everything and black people will carjack you at a moments notice?”  I was like, “ok taint that’s super offensive. Please don’t say that to my black Jew wife.”

Marjorie Taintlor Green?

[hookemATL 11617]

Just now, Js1 said:

Marjorie Taintlor Green?

You fuck. Spat coffee all over my favorite fishing shirt after reading this!

[Celery Man 20911]

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

"Draggieland" is actually really funny.

someone needs to re-claim "Steers and Queers"

['stache 21778]

Won’t they just argue that the state CRT ban requires that they not hire her? The 5th circuit will support that.

[South Austin 52204]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Won’t they just argue that the state CRT ban requires that they not hire her? The 5th circuit will support that.

The CRT ban did not prevent aggy from hiring her.  It would only affect what policies and programs she might want to pursue that others consider CRT-ish.  But yes, I can see aggy making that legal argument, and the Fifth Circuit saying "yep, sounds good."

[Pig Bellmont 8697]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Won’t they just argue that the state CRT ban requires that they not hire her? The 5th circuit will support that.

She’s got a valid Title VII claim for race discrimination in the hiring process if she chooses to pursue it. I can’t see them avoiding a jury but we’ll see if she sues

['stache 21778]

3 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

She’s got a valid Title VII claim for race discrimination in the hiring process if she chooses to pursue it. I can’t see them avoiding a jury but we’ll see if she sues

College station jury? Yeah, they’ll agree that she was teaching CRT and the school was legally obligated to not let her set foot on aggy campus. They might even rule that she be deported from the state altogether. The closing argument will just be the Aldean video.

[Pig Bellmont 8697]

5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

College station jury?

Well it’s a federal court claim so probably a bigger jury pool closer to the divisional district court 

[South Austin 52204]

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The closing argument will just be the Aldean video.

Jason Aldean will deliver closing argument.

[elguapo 4583]

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Edited July 25, 2023 by elguapo