2023 Fall Camp Thread of Dominance

[Sgt Hulk 13808]

4 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

 

The DL room is deep and flexible.

So is your mom 

[Tex Long 4408]

3 minutes ago, UnhappilyMarried said:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/washington/2008.html

Judging by the embedded date, you're pointing at UDub's performance nadir, worse than Colorado, right? I was referring to money and resources pre-NIL. Sark took them from losing all their games to only losing about half, and didn't progress much beyond that. He was fired at SC partly for being an embarrassing drunk, but partly for continuing to be no more than an average coach. I think he was doing the same thing at SC that he's done here - being both HC and OC and calling plays himself. Didn't work then, and hasn't worked here, so far. Maybe we now have enough talent on both sides of the ball, along with a winning staff. 

Praise Jebus, we're only a few weeks away from postpreoffseason.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

54 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

A guy that played for years in the NFL was at practice yesterday. His takeaway was that if this team isn’t a playoff contender and conference winner, it took effort to fuck it up on gameday. 

Wonder if that’s the guy that Gerry kept mentioning….said he has play “A LOT of football” or something of that nature. 

[Deej 76849]

8 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Why would anyone want BBQ in Wisconsin?

 

[immamac 42872]

The problem last year was Sark. He ran the ball 13times against TCU. 

[Deej 76849]

8 minutes ago, immamac said:

The problem last year was Sark. He ran the ball 13times against TCU. 

Hopefully, Chryst vetoes some of Sark's tendencies. 

[Hagbard Celine 10886]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

A guy that played for years in the NFL was at practice yesterday. His takeaway was that if this team isn’t a playoff contender and conference winner, it took effort to fuck it up on gameday. 

I will never fall for the banana in the tailpipe ever again.  Fair Park Ewers.  Oklahoma State Ewers.

 

Here's a litmus test: every ball thrown against Rice is perfectly flighted with the right touch, arc and velocity.

and Zero drops.

Zero.

Point.

Zero.

52-0, 500 yards in the first half, 158 QB rating, and negative yards for Rice.  Sacks and turnovers from the defense would be great.  Just no yards at all.  Negative yards.

 

Show me fucking perfection heading to bammer.

 

If we are 6-0 at 6pm on October 7th, then we can talk playoffs.

[Hagbard Celine 10886]

12 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

That was definitely a terrible game.  So was Oklahoma State.  Sark doesn’t adjust pretty much ever and just goes down with the ship when something isn’t working.  But the initial problem where the passing game isn’t working should happen less frequently than it did last year.

how about not at all?

fair park ewers

zero drops

every play

every game

[Pato del Muerto 52531]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

 

He was more of an arts and crafts guy than a chef. 

[Hookem2147 21344]

Have they announced the hour long open practice or whatever they normally do to get the fans excited? I remember last year we had some major takeaways from that practice.

On 8/17/2022 at 7:01 AM, immamac said:

Sark has lost the fan base. Brace yourselves for what is coming. 

 

[texifornia 57031]

39 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

I will never fall for the banana in the tailpipe ever again.  Fair Park Ewers.  Oklahoma State Ewers.

 

Here's a litmus test: every ball thrown against Rice is perfectly flighted with the right touch, arc and velocity.

and Zero drops.

Zero.

Point.

Zero.

52-0, 500 yards in the first half, 158 QB rating, and negative yards for Rice.  Sacks and turnovers from the defense would be great.  Just no yards at all.  Negative yards.

 

Show me fucking perfection heading to bammer.

 

If we are 6-0 at 6pm on October 7th, then we can talk playoffs.

Remember when UGA almost lost to Mizzou last year? Even great teams have awful games where they just show up sluggish.

[redswingline 1057]

4 hours ago, MisterP said:

no, that's pegging. Do you really not know the difference between pegging and a gangbang?

He didn't say it was a girl with a strap on, did he?

[SydneyCarton 48112]

10 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Remember when UGA almost lost to Mizzou last year? Even great teams have awful games where they just show up sluggish.

What’re you doing man? Didn’t want to start an argument with Randolph Duke or Futureman? Wtf 

[Park Gothic 5047]

3 hours ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

Not to beat a dead horse, but that assessment from August of 2022 was before we lost Neyor and Angilau, a/k/a our deep threat and experienced IOL. 
 

Remind me where the offense was weakest last year and ask yourself if 9-3 was really that far off at the time. That’s not even getting into the impact Ewers’ injury had on his season. 

[LTtxfan 49306]

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Nope. This team’s floor is too high for there to be any heat. I’ve said this consistently on here for years - Sarkisian is getting a fourth year. There is too much turnover fatigue. They love the roster work that has happened now and everybody really likes the guy. The staff is solid and the lockerroom isn’t full of a bunch of shitheads.

Sarkisian has done everything right but win big so far and it’s only been two years. Anyone saying Sarkisian could be on the hot seat is an outsider, or knows something we don’t about off the field issues, or they can see the future and know that somehow this team staggers to 7-5 or something. 

Sark is safe... got Arch Manning for 2024

[Bodacious Bevo 3586]

29 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Not to beat a dead horse, but that assessment from August of 2022 was before we lost Neyor and Angilau, a/k/a our deep threat and experienced IOL. 
 

Remind me where the offense was weakest last year and ask yourself if 9-3 was really that far off at the time. That’s not even getting into the impact Ewers’ injury had on his season. 

I think the info from last year was good, especially considering that things were extremely murky after 5-7. I just remember the old post and think the phrasing is funny.

I'm hoping that the analogy holds. 8-4 : '22 floor :: conference champs : '23 floor

[LTtxfan 49306]

LET'S FUCKIN' GO.... WIn 11 Games regular season 2023...

[gmr548 16585]

A guy that played for years in the NFL was at practice yesterday. His takeaway was that if this team isn’t a playoff contender and conference winner, it took effort to fuck it up on gameday. 

I buy the kool aid on the roster for the most part. I think in hindsight the 10-win quality team assessment was right last year (Bama and TCU were straight up L’s to good teams; Tech and OSU not so much), there was just a tax to be paid for having Sark out there on game day.

It’s hard to shake the feeling that this year’s 10-11 win quality team doesn’t pay a similar Sark tax and end up at 8-9 wins. I think that’s the crux of it for pretty much anyone who’s bearish on the expectations.

[futureman 22498]

4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

A guy that played for years in the NFL was at practice yesterday. His takeaway was that if this team isn’t a playoff contender and conference winner, it took effort to fuck it up on gameday. 

was this dumb son of a bitch born yesterday?  did he just come out of a 13-year coma?  I don't give a shit about the roster, the Longhorns are more than capable of going 7-6.  every year it's like people have amnesia or are just willfully ignorant.

[Longhornlove 4837]

13 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I buy the kool aid on the roster for the most part. I think in hindsight the 10-win quality team assessment was right last year (Bama and TCU were straight up L’s to good teams; Tech and OSU not so much), there was just a tax to be paid for having Sark out there on game day.

It’s hard to shake the feeling that this year’s 10-11 win quality team doesn’t pay a similar Sark tax and end up at 8-9 wins. I think that’s the crux of it for pretty much anyone who’s bearish on the expectations.

[Levi 2588]

19 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I buy the kool aid on the roster for the most part. I think in hindsight the 10-win quality team assessment was right last year (Bama and TCU were straight up L’s to good teams; Tech and OSU not so much), there was just a tax to be paid for having Sark out there on game day.

It’s hard to shake the feeling that this year’s 10-11 win quality team doesn’t pay a similar Sark tax and end up at 8-9 wins. I think that’s the crux of it for pretty much anyone who’s bearish on the expectations.

I wouldn’t classify bama as a straight up L when it felt like 2 v 1 for most of the biggest moments in the game e.g. no safety call. 

[Pato del Muerto 52531]

What if the sark tax is him believing his team can do something that it can’t do, but now it can?

[nunna yo bizness 1687]

38 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I buy the kool aid on the roster for the most part. I think in hindsight the 10-win quality team assessment was right last year (Bama and TCU were straight up L’s to good teams; Tech and OSU not so much), there was just a tax to be paid for having Sark out there on game day.

It’s hard to shake the feeling that this year’s 10-11 win quality team doesn’t pay a similar Sark tax and end up at 8-9 wins. I think that’s the crux of it for pretty much anyone who’s bearish on the expectations.

I don't know how good we'll be this year, but the incessant declarations that Sark is incapable of producing a playoff team because he hasn't yet is a lazy basis.  Remember when Clemsoning under Swinney was a thing?  Right up until it wasn't anymore.

[The Deuce 1094]

2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I buy the kool aid on the roster for the most part. I think in hindsight the 10-win quality team assessment was right last year (Bama and TCU were straight up L’s to good teams; Tech and OSU not so much), there was just a tax to be paid for having Sark out there on game day.

It’s hard to shake the feeling that this year’s 10-11 win quality team doesn’t pay a similar Sark tax and end up at 8-9 wins. I think that’s the crux of it for pretty much anyone who’s bearish on the expectations.

Texas spent more time in 12 personnel than almost every team in football last year. Is this the most effective package for a Sark offense to thrive? Not in my opinion… However, it was done out of necessity based on our roster. The loss of Neyor, OL youth/inexperience, and talent at RB dictated that 12 personnel was the best option with those factors taken into account. 
 

I don’t disagree with those claiming Sarks coaching decisions last year may have cost us multiple W’s. However, I also realize he was operating in a system that doesn’t necessarily allow him to maximize his offense. That being said, he’s getting paid $5mill per year to make it work. People don’t want to hear excuses such as: “1st yr QB”, “young OL”, “no dependable WR3” (post Neyor injury), etc…

 

If people expect the the same “Sark tax” due to last seasons results, that’s fair. However, I tend to believe that this year’s personnel will allow for Sark to be able to offensively do as he wishes (without being restricted to 12 by necessity). Pair the roster upgrade at WR with experience at QB and OL, and I tend to believe those coaching mistakes to be minimized to a degree. When defenses have to account for more than a 2WR route concept, stopping the pass becomes more difficult 

Edited August 14, 2023 by The Deuce

[Hermanator 7120]

7 hours ago, Tex Long said:

Nobody had NIL before NIL. If SC isn't a top dog, nobody is. UDub isn't a top dog, but they aren't the Little Sisters of the Poor, wither. Sark was a drunk back then, and is not a drunk now (allegedly). Time to shine. Or not.

You didn't get the point. When he was at USC there was no such thing as NIL and portal so he couldn't use them to his advantage. Now that he's at an even bigger money school he has those advantages over 99 percent of programs. 

Once NIL and portal started the big name programs got a big advantage and everyone else took a hit. Whatever happened before that is insignificant now. It's a whole new world with new rules. 

 

[perfectchaos007 6677]

TIL Brenan Thompson transferred to OU a few months ago. Would have liked to see what a WR with track and field speed could have developed into after a few years in the program, but he would have had to wait his turn given our depth so I understand his decision to transfer to a poverty program like OU where he can play every down right away.

[LateAughtsHorn 588]

5 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

That’s my optimistic spin on it.  Sark is kind of shockingly up shit creek without a paddle when things don’t go according to plan, but things really should go according to plan a lot more often.  And when things go according to plan, it’s good.  Not like the Greg Davis version of going according to plan where he actually intends to throw 4 yard curls and score in the 20s.

This. Sark's offense appears to be catered towards maximizing top-end talent. The problem is, this is predicated on the presence of elite talent to begin with. He's not a chicken salad out of chickenshit kind of guy. Good news is, he appears to be fixing the talent problem.

I'm not completely sold on Sark as the guy to finally get things done in the W-L column; but I'm so tired of the endless cycle of coaching changes, combined with 13 years of shit on-field production causing me to reassess priorities in my life, that I'm good with him getting several more years at this point.

There's no sure thing hire out there, and at the very least, I feel like Sark will leave the roster in better condition than he found it. Whether he's leaving 10-15 years from now with a statue, or a few years from now for too many 5 loss seasons. 

[Bevo14 8352]

7 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I buy the kool aid on the roster for the most part. I think in hindsight the 10-win quality team assessment was right last year (Bama and TCU were straight up L’s to good teams; Tech and OSU not so much), there was just a tax to be paid for having Sark out there on game day.

It’s hard to shake the feeling that this year’s 10-11 win quality team doesn’t pay a similar Sark tax and end up at 8-9 wins. I think that’s the crux of it for pretty much anyone who’s bearish on the expectations.

If last year's team was a "10-win quality team" then this one is at least 12.

[Vito Andolini 9127]

11 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He was more of an arts and crafts guy than a chef. 

Ed was hella fun at a party, he’d put a lampshade on his head that was actually made from a head. He loved irony.

[Catdaddyhorn 3446]

14 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Nope. This team’s floor is too high for there to be any heat. I’ve said this consistently on here for years - Sarkisian is getting a fourth year. There is too much turnover fatigue. They love the roster work that has happened now and everybody really likes the guy. The staff is solid and the lockerroom isn’t full of a bunch of shitheads.

Sarkisian has done everything right but win big so far and it’s only been two years. Anyone saying Sarkisian could be on the hot seat is an outsider, or knows something we don’t about off the field issues, or they can see the future and know that somehow this team staggers to 7-5 or something. 

Thank you for saying this. The people who want Sark gone in the middle of the build after watching the clear and substantive roster changes he's made the last 2 years are children with a child-like need for gratification without enduring any sacrifice. I don't give a fuck what his record in the past was, but even if you do you're basically saying that his sole full season at USC and his 5 years spent turning around a down trodden Washington program are totally determinative of his capabilities.

This guy came in here and within 3 offseasons has not only identified our chronic roster issues, but he's given us clear evidence that he's well on his way towards solving them and making them sustainable for the long term. Gone are the days of fictitious top 5 recruiting classes built on 5 safeties and 6 WRs. Now we have well rounded roster building. And his strength and conditioning program is demonstrably better than anything we've seen here in the last decade. Not only is it specified towards the needs of the individual players (Malik Agbo dropping 40lbs of bad weight, Maalik Muhammed gaining 13lbs and getting faster while doing so), but it's yielding immediate improvement. I havent seen this much across the board player development in the last 15 years. Yeah his game day coaching and overall feel for the game at hand needs improving, but given all the other areas he excels in I'm certain that will come or at the very least the talent will be so overwhelming that it wont matter in the end. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Catdaddyhorn

[Royale with cheese 1467]

7 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

TIL Brenan Thompson transferred to OU a few months ago. Would have liked to see what a WR with track and field speed could have developed into after a few years in the program, but he would have had to wait his turn given our depth so I understand his decision to transfer to a poverty program like OU where he can play every down right away.

"a poverty program like OU" Ain't it wonderful to say that? Goddam!

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

7 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

TIL Brenan Thompson transferred to OU a few months ago. Would have liked to see what a WR with track and field speed could have developed into after a few years in the program, but he would have had to wait his turn given our depth so I understand his decision to transfer to a poverty program like OU where he can play every down right away.

How would you see that when he skipped spring ball for track? Can't develop if you aren't practicing football. That loss is a good loss....he's a track guy that plays football.

[conVINCEd 21469]

5 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

or at the very least the talent will be so overwhelming that it wont matter in the end. 

This is where I’m at.

[NoName 16361]

12 hours ago, immamac said:

The problem last year was Sark. He ran the ball 13times against TCU. 

eh it was like 17, but probably the single worst game of Bijan's career. 12 carries for 29 yards + 0 TD and 0 catches.

by EPA they were literally in the 1st percentile in rushing in that game. somehow TCU was even worse in the 0th percentile. 44 carries for 159 yards and if you take out the long Miller run they averaged under 2.0 YPC.

using Bill C's adv box score (below) 54% of Texas rushes went for 0 or fewer yards

god, what a shitshow that game was

Spoiler

 

 

there is opportunities for coaching to be better in games like that. has potential to do better on that front.

Edited August 14, 2023 by NoName

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

2 minutes ago, NoName said:

eh it was like 17, but probably the single worst game of Bijan's career. 12 carries for 29 yards + 0 TD and 0 catches.

by EPA they were literally in the 1st percentile in rushing in that game. somehow TCU was even worse in the 0th percentile. 44 carries for 159 yards and if you take out the long Miller run they averaged under 2.0 YPC.

using Bill C's adv box score (below) 54% of Texas rushes went for 0 or fewer yards

god, what a shitshow that game was

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there is opportunities for coaching to be better in games like that. has potential to do better on that front.

Against TCU our OL got the shit whipped out of them.

[Codaxx 5794]

12 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

That was definitely a terrible game.  So was Oklahoma State.  Sark doesn’t adjust pretty much ever and just goes down with the ship when something isn’t working.  But the initial problem where the passing game isn’t working should happen less frequently than it did last year.

Interesting take. He completely abandoned the passing game on multiple occasions last year (Kansas/Baylor). He abandoned the run vs TCU and eventually went spread in the 4Q of TCU to move the ball. 

[Vito Andolini 9127]

Bobby Burton and Gerry Hamilton live right now, they’ll be doing this every weekday morning at 8. 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

It's crazy to believe that Andre Cojoe was 16 when he enrolled at Texas this spring....he's 17 years old at 6'6 355 

[Vito Andolini 9127]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's crazy to believe that Andre Cojoe was 16 when he enrolled at Texas this spring....he's 17 years old at 6'6 355 

And allegedly has had some run with the second team.

[Hookem2147 21344]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's crazy to believe that Andre Cojoe was 16 when he enrolled at Texas this spring....he's 17 years old at 6'6 355 

Moro Ojomo isn’t impressed

[Fud 9552]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's crazy to believe that Andre Cojoe was 16 when he enrolled at Texas this spring....he's 17 years old at 6'6 355 

He was the youngest player in our class by like six months. Also he has really long arms, iirc 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Moro Ojomo isn’t impressed

How old was Ojomo when enrolling? 

Who was the Louisville guy that was 16 when he enrolled and ended up being a 1st round pick at like 19 years old/

[Catdaddyhorn 3446]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How old was Ojomo when enrolling? 

Who was the Louisville guy that was 16 when he enrolled and ended up being a 1st round pick at like 19 years old/

Amobi Okoye

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

1 minute ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Amobi Okoye

YES! That dude was legit

[gmr548 16585]

eh it was like 17, but probably the single worst game of Bijan's career. 12 carries for 29 yards + 0 TD and 0 catches.

by EPA they were literally in the 1st percentile in rushing in that game. somehow TCU was even worse in the 0th percentile. 44 carries for 159 yards and if you take out the long Miller run they averaged under 2.0 YPC.
using Bill C's adv box score (below) 54% of Texas rushes went for 0 or fewer yards
god, what a shitshow that game was
Spoiler

 

 

there is opportunities for coaching to be better in games like that. has potential to do better on that front.

Man I’m obviously as down on Sark as anyone but the “he should have run more against TCU” trope is annoying. TCU very obviously sold out to stifle the Texas run game, betting Texas couldn’t consistently execute in the passing game to make them pay for it. They were right. Texas could have run the ball 50 times and still had nothing to show for it.

I’m sure you can take issues with play calling within the pivot to emphasizing the pass - I’d have to go back and watch for that level of detail and I’m not about to - but run first was not going to work that night.

[SydneyCarton 48112]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

YES! That dude was legit

A legit bust and another in a long stretch of hilariously bad picks by the Texans. I’m sure that’s what you meant. 

[GTX Horn 1709]

10 hours ago, nunna yo bizness said:

I don't know how good we'll be this year, but the incessant declarations that Sark is incapable of producing a playoff team because he hasn't yet is a lazy basis.  Remember when Clemsoning under Swinney was a thing?  Right up until it wasn't anymore.

If Ed O can do it, Sark can too.

[Codaxx 5794]

30 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Man I’m obviously as down on Sark as anyone but the “he should have run more against TCU” trope is annoying. TCU very obviously sold out to stifle the Texas run game, betting Texas couldn’t consistently execute in the passing game to make them pay for it. They were right. Texas could have run the ball 50 times and still had nothing to show for it.

I’m sure you can take issues with play calling within the pivot to emphasizing the pass - I’d have to go back and watch for that level of detail and I’m not about to - but run first was not going to work that night.

That has been the right call vs Texas, since Sark showed up. Lot of that has to do with the QBs being unable to put the offense on their back. Stop the run and watch Texas flounder around. TCU has 2 NFL CBs. They focused on the run and did not give much help outside in the passing game. Sark should have run more screen game and looked to feature Sanders more. Whit probably had 40-50 yards on a couple screen passes (Texas had 200 total yards of total offense). Worthy vs Tomlinson was not an advantage for Texas. Sanders vs the LBs was an advantage for Texas. Just a terrible game. OL was bad. Ewers was bad. I dont think there was a receiver that didnt drop a pass. 

[lazygringo 369]

Is it just me or have we not really been hearing much about Derek Williams or Tausili Akana in fall camp so far?

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

Just now, lazygringo said:

Is it just me or have we not really been hearing much about Derek Williams or Tausili Akana in fall camp so far?

Akana likely redshirts due to needing to get stronger/bigger.

 

Derek Williams has to learn the playbook. Thompson/Catalon as long as he's healthy seem to have locked the top two spots down. Derek Williams appears to be the truth from an athletic standpoint.