So how will Trump be viewed by US history 50 years from now?

[horn4life 3755]

While I am hopeful for our Democracy to survive, I am also fearful. I see as at a point where there is either going to be a survival of the rule of law, or there will not be.  Anyone have any scenarios?  I have no doubt that the GOP would be willing to destroy the rule of law absolutely for political power.  Never at any other point in history have I personally assumed that the member of ANY political party in our country. There is no bottom for today's elected GOP federal officials, they are corrupt and absolutely so.  Power is now more important than country.

Please, please, please!  Convince me my bleak opinion of how US history will be taught in 2073 is incorrect?  Hell the bad news is this post may actually my family in jeopardy if option #2 is the way it goes.  That's some scary shit my friends.

[Neonmoon 38127]

You are thinking about this wrong. The problem isn't Trump, the problem is the continual degradation of common truth. 

If we, as society, can no longer agree on any shared truths, then we cannot exist as a society. For example, half of the country still believes a lie that the election is stolen, even though over 70 court cases proved this lie untrue. The same can be said for the Pandemic. It didn't matter what the science says, many believed the lies, and thus more people died. 

Two things are contributing to this degradation of truth. The guardrails of truth has been torn down. 

1. The Degradation of News Media - Fox News can lie with impunity (unless it's against a company with money to sue). They can spew nazi propoganda lies 247 under the guise of "news". Without any legal consequences. 

2. The Internet amazingly gives everyone access to unlimited information. Which is great. But, It also gives everyone access to disinformation. People are stupid, and thus not shockingly, will believe what they want to believe. This has made truth whatever you want it to be. 

 

 

[Hermanator 6944]

Wish we knew

 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, horn4life said:

While I am hopeful for our Democracy to survive, I am also fearful. I see as at a point where there is either going to be a survival of the rule of law, or there will not be.  Anyone have any scenarios?  I have no doubt that the GOP would be willing to destroy the rule of law absolutely for political power.  Never at any other point in history have I personally assumed that the member of ANY political party in our country. There is no bottom for today's elected GOP federal officials, they are corrupt and absolutely so.  Power is now more important than country.

Please, please, please!  Convince me my bleak opinion of how US history will be taught in 2073 is incorrect?  Hell the bad news is this post may actually my family in jeopardy if option #2 is the way it goes.  That's some scary shit my friends.

No one knows how this is going to play out. In fact, I predict there will be some black swan that happens that causes it to drag on even longer (E.g. Biden has a health issue or scandal, some issue of misconduct by the prosecutors.) Trump just seems to have a teflon life.

I do think that the indictments and legal issues -- albeit delayed in my opinion -- already serve as a deterrent for others. Trump is just built different. No normal person would want to put up with all that shit.

And what you have with him is really a perfect storm. I struggle to see anyone else doing what he has done and people liking it. Notice how DeSantis tries it and no one likes him? Ted Cruz does some of it and no one likes him either. Trump is charismatic. Like it or not, he is a political messaging genius. 

All that said, I think that over time democracy wins out. I think people vote for Trump because they don't want to vote Democrat, but they also see his shit. And he continues to go further off the deep end. I think people are worn out by it. Notice how no one came to the rallies he called for in Manhattan when he was arraigned? 

[Biff Tannen 45499]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Like it or not, he is a political messaging genius. 

I think most people didn't realize how many abject dumb fucks there were in this country.  The way he lies is so in your face and obvious that no one had ever tried it because they assumed people were smart enough to see through it.  They were wrong.

[Scheiss Meister 8399]

I think that it will be an amalgamation of the first two choices.  The country will remain split enough that the fascism is an ever present threat, but that we will totter along as a democracy, barely holding off the fascists.  Until everyone gets tired and just says, "Fuck it.  The fascists can have it."

[AnTiM 1659]

At our current rate, the last two survivors of the human race will be stalking each other through the ruins.

[GreenspointTexas 9568]

1) we as a species will be gone in 100-200 years due to a variety of factors

2) trump is already viewed as a bottom 3 president of all time. Scholars will only eviscerate him more as time goes on. 

[horn4life 3755]

Propaganda works.  If you continually tell a lie, and can get news networks to repeat the lie, then you can convince wide swaths (especially uneducated and/or racists) that something is true that's a lie.  Largely because they want to believe that lie. Worked fantastically for Hitler for example if you are a student of history.

I will give you a great example.  Talk to ANY Republican and ask them what they liked about the Trump economy.  Then ask them specifically about Trump's job creation?  They will likely extoll his job creation, because Trump repeatedly said he was kicking ass.  Reality?  Is that Trump and the GOP added about $2 trillion in national debe to produce roughly 1.4 million fewer jobs than the economy he inherited.  Reality is the exact opposite of what they fervently and passionately believe. That's scary.

That is why I believe that if something catastrophic like Biden dying before the election, we could end up with Trump in power and a GOP willing to change any law to accommodate our dear leader.  I see no GOP resistance?  Do you?

Scary shit.  Especially when you listen to Fox News spewing endless lies about the legal system.  Simply to sell advertising, nothing more or less.

We live in a dangerous time!

Edited August 2, 2023 by horn4life

[Biff Tannen 45499]

1 hour ago, horn4life said:

Reality is the exact opposite of what they fervently and passionately believe. That's scary.

This is what I've been saying.  It's not that he bends the truth.  He literally tells them the opposite.  And they believe it.

[RDCanecutter 26283]

As a god. Now let us pray:

SAD. LIKE A DOG. BIG MAN, STRONG MAN. SAD.

[Pods 7530]

5 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

As a god. Now let us pray:

SAD. LIKE A DOG. BIG MAN, STRONG MAN. SAD.

Big strong man with tears in his eyes and a dog straight out of central casting. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by Pods

[Satchel 6908]

As one who takes does not take my progressivism casually, I have reassessed the prudence of everybody claiming their own truth.

That’s a problem, y’all . 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

41 minutes ago, Satchel said:

As one who takes does not take my progressivism casually, I have reassessed the prudence of everybody claiming their own truth.

That’s a problem, y’all . 

say that again but with different words

[A-Tex Devil 2445]

Trump knew where he stood in 2015/16 with the shooting a guy on 5th avenue comment.  30-35% of our country prefer to harm others than help themselves or their family because they get more pleasure out of that than they do succeeding on their own. That’s never going to change. The issue is that Trump mined that in a way no one in the US has since, I dunno, ever? 
 

When he dies I think that group fragments a lot until the next person comes along.  Let’s just hope he dies soon.  

[Hookah Horns 3082]

I'm slowly starting to think the US won't be a thing come 2073. I fully believe the polarization of not only opinions, but also of facts, will only get worse, and in any case is unreversible, at least as long as Murdoch and his successors are poisoning the well of political discourse in this country. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

Murdoch is just one of the hydras of misinformation

You also now have right wing nutter billionaires like Elon buying a major communication platforms to control the message 

Not to mention modern day Limbaugh acolytes Rogan, Shapiro, Kirk, Kelly spewing white supremacy horseshit nonstop 

And grass roots organizations like Moms for Liberty infiltrating school boards. 
 

 

[Satchel 6908]

2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

say that again but with different words

Facts matter. Truth matters.

[SydneyCarton 47885]

I don’t know what will be taught 50 years from now, or even if it’s about trump at all, but my gut says the “history” won’t be even remotely accurate or even based in reality. Winners write history books and the stupids seem to overwhelmingly have the advantage. 

Edited August 3, 2023 by SydneyCarton

[atomheartbevo 89450]

The problem with this poll, is it's talking about 50 years from...