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Pac 12 2023- The final countdown

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Awesome showing from the conference to open its final season.

Of course, I can’t help but think so many strong showings means the conference will likely do what it always does: cannibalize itself with losses to each other so as to knock out all from being a playoff participant.

Still, I am gonna soak up and enjoy it this season!

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Not a great slate of games, but the PAC showing out nevertheless.  Just back from the RB.  Bruins had their highest scoring qtr ever in the first at 35 pts.  It was over early.  My fear is once the league play starts, cannibalism will take over.  Such a great league in its last hurrah.

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1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:

Not a great slate of games, but the PAC showing out nevertheless.  Just back from the RB.  Bruins had their highest scoring qtr ever in the first at 35 pts.  It was over early.  My fear is once the league play starts, cannibalism will take over.  Such a great league in its last hurrah.

This just makes me sad. 

Cannibalism will take over - there's no one or two teams clearly better than the rest - but the P12 may be the best conference top to bottom this year. It's just a damn shame what's happened to what was always an enjoyable and sometimes a great conference to watch.

I'm just hoping UCLA will be UW's last conference loss.

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58 minutes ago, flatdawgs said:

This just makes me sad. 

Cannibalism will take over - there's no one or two teams clearly better than the rest - but the P12 may be the best conference top to bottom this year. It's just a damn shame what's happened to what was always an enjoyable and sometimes a great conference to watch.

I'm just hoping UCLA will be UW's last conference loss.

I was at that game.  We dominated from beginning to end. So glad we don’t play the dawgs this year.

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I was at that game.  We dominated from beginning to end. So glad we don’t play the dawgs this year.

Yeah, the ASU loss was a fluke, but UCLA beat our asses. UW looks a bit better so far this season. What the Dawgs did to Michigan State today should be illegal - it was complete domination. Of course nobody saw it since it was streaming on freaking Peacock. Welcome to our new home.

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Pac pecking order should start to take shape with 6 of the 8 ranked teams playing each other.  Really don't know how anyone is going to navigate this conference schedule without a couple of losses.  SC probably SC has the best chance, but that D is really suspect.

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Washington at Arizona should be a good game and I honestly have no idea how I would even attempt to watch it. It’s fucking dumb. 

I can get you a streaming site with random porn site pop ups. That's how I plan to take any of those games in. 

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I can get you a streaming site with random porn site pop ups. That's how I plan to take any of those games in. 
Nothing random about those popups. But yeah, wasted my last free trial getting LHN last week so anything outside of ESPN/ESPN+ family will require the eyepatch and parrot for me.
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I can get you a streaming site with random porn site pop ups. That's how I plan to take any of those games in. 

Nothing random about those popups. But yeah, wasted my last free trial getting LHN last week so anything outside of ESPN/ESPN+ family will require the eyepatch and parrot for me.

mdleast did a free trial of FUBO TV because it had the PAC 12 Network. You could try that for that 3 game weekend. 

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mdleast did a free trial of FUBO TV because it had the PAC 12 Network. You could try that for that 3 game weekend. 
Already did that for the last LHN game last year. (Didn't remember till I tried again) I know there are workarounds to get more trials, but I can't be bothered. I'm already paying for Hulu+ live tv, seems crazy I'm missing anything for the near cable price we pay now
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3 hours ago, ousux said:

Already did that for the last LHN game last year. (Didn't remember till I tried again) I know there are workarounds to get more trials, but I can't be bothered. I'm already paying for Hulu+ live tv, seems crazy I'm missing anything for the near cable price we pay now

You can sometimes find livefeeds on YouTube. I did that for the first USC game against San Jose State. 

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This is part of why the PAC died. It shouldn't be this much of a chore to watch PAC12 games. 3 games on a channel hardly anyone can get. 

 

What I don't get it why the P12 Network doesn't just basically give it to DTV for pennies in its final season.  What in the hell are you holding out for?

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You can sometimes find livefeeds on YouTube. I did that for the first USC game against San Jose State. 
Yeah, I've seen those pop up in my reccomended feed from time to time. If it wasn't for the fact the Pac has some of the best matchups this week I wouldn't care at all tbh.
What I don't get it why the P12 Network doesn't just basically give it to DTV for pennies in its final season.  What in the hell are you holding out for?
Same for LHN
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I'm still kinda sad we and bloU (plus tagalongs) didn't go PAC. Not only would it not be dead man walking, I think by now it could possibly eclipse the SEC and B1G for popularity, especially with more games in CST. Ahh well, off to Hicksville next season...and possibly the beginnings of 3-4 megaconferences in the near future.

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Ruling grants Oregon State, Washington State full control of Pac-12

Kyle Bonagura,  ESPN Staff  Nov 14, 2023 

A state judge in Washington granted Oregon State and Washington State sole control of the Pac-12 board of directors on Tuesday, issuing the ruling at a preliminary injunction hearing in Whitman County Court.

Judge Gary Libey granted a stay of the decision until Monday -- at no objection from OSU and WSU -- as the 10 schools leaving the Pac-12 following the 2023-24 school year initiate the appeals process.

The decision comes roughly two months after Libey granted a temporary restraining order at the request of OSU and WSU that prevented Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff from calling any Pac-12 board meetings.

"I grew up where conduct spoke louder than words. That's how my parents treated me, and that's how I treated my children when they were growing up," Libey said before issuing his decision. "With that in mind, this court finds in favor that the plaintiffs are likely to prevail on their interpretation of the bylaws."

In a small Whitman County courthouse, roughly 15 miles from WSU's campus in Pullman, Libey heard arguments from three parties: OSU/WSU, the Pac-12 and the University of Washington, which entered the case as an intervenor, working on behalf of the nine other departing schools (Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Utah).

Over the course of about 2½ hours, all three parties argued for different outcomes.

OSU and WSU argued -- as they have done for weeks in written briefs -- that conference bylaws were clear that when schools announced they were joining other conferences, they immediately surrendered their seat on the conference board. That, they argued, was how it worked when UCLA and USC announced they were joining the Big Ten and, again, when Colorado announced it was leaving for the Big 12.

It was not only until the other seven announced they also were leaving, OSU and WSU argued, that those schools' interpretation of the bylaws changed and claimed that all 12 deserved a seat on the board.

"There isn't a single document that's been produced which shows that the University of Washington thought that this was the correct position until it provided its notice of withdrawal and now the shoe was on the other foot," argued lawyer Eric MacMichael, for OSU and WSU. "But parties are not allowed to just blatantly flip-flop on the meaning of contractual provisions just so they can have their cake and eat it too."

The conference attempted to maintain an appearance of neutrality, lobbying for the terms of the temporary restraining order -- which required a unanimous vote on any major decision -- to remain in place. The conference's attorney, Mark Lambert, was less assertive when addressing the court, acting more in a capacity of obligation.

Asked by Libey if the Pac-12 wants to continue in its business in the future, Lambert said, "Frankly, that is up to Oregon State and Washington State at this point, and the conference and the commissioner are sensitive to those issues and also sensitive to the notion that without a board that makes things difficult."

The departing schools asked Libey to rule against OSU and WSU outright, which would have essentially given them the right to govern the conference with a 10-2 supermajority.

At the heart of the dispute is forthcoming revenue. The departing schools, as they did in writing earlier this month, expressed concern that OSU and WSU could withhold revenue set to be distributed during this academic year. They also made the case that OSU/WSU's fear that the departing schools could vote to dissolve the conference -- then evenly distribute the remaining assets -- was irrelevant because of their belief that process could be conducted without any board action.

"It's simply the fact that the members could decide to dissolve that they wanted," argued Dan Levin, for Washington. "Of course, in all this time during these proceedings and before, no member has called for such a vote."

It's unclear if the departing schools would attempt to act on that mechanism if they don't win on appeals.

"We are disappointed with the decision and are immediately seeking review in the Washington Supreme Court and requesting to put on hold implementation of this decision," the remaining 10 members said in a statement. "As members of the Pac-12, participating in ongoing and scheduled competitions, we are members of the board under the Pac-12 bylaws. We have the right to the revenue earned by our schools during the 2023-2024 academic year, which is necessary in order to operate our athletics programs and to provide mental and physical health services, academic support, and other support programs for our student-athletes.

"We remain committed to the best interests of our student-athletes, athletic departments, and university communities and will persist in our efforts to secure a fair resolution."

Meanwhile, WSU president Kirk Schulz and athletic director Pat Chun lauded the court's "common-sense decision."

"It has always been our view that the future of the Pac-12 should be determined by the remaining members, not by those schools that are leaving the conference," they said in a statement. "This position is consistent with the action the Pac-12 Board of Directors took when the first two schools announced their departure from the conference more than a year ago.

"We have always been committed to protecting the best interests of the conference, our student-athletes, coaches and fans. Today's news allows Washington State University and Oregon State University to start that process as the controlling members of the Pac-12 Conference Board."

OSU president Jayathi Murthy and athletic director Scott Barnes offered a similar sentiment.

"We are pleased with the Court's decision today that Oregon State and Washington State constitute the only remaining members of the Pac-12 Conference Board," they said in a statement. "We look forward to charting a path forward for the Pac-12 that is in the best interest of the Conference and student-athletes. Our intentions are to make reasonable business decisions going forward while continuing to seek collaboration and consultation with the departing universities."

 

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Ruling grants Oregon State, Washington State full control of Pac-12

Kyle Bonagura,  ESPN Staff  Nov 14, 2023 

A state judge in Washington granted Oregon State and Washington State sole control of the Pac-12 board of directors on Tuesday, issuing the ruling at a preliminary injunction hearing in Whitman County Court.

Judge Gary Libey granted a stay of the decision until Monday -- at no objection from OSU and WSU -- as the 10 schools leaving the Pac-12 following the 2023-24 school year initiate the appeals process.

The decision comes roughly two months after Libey granted a temporary restraining order at the request of OSU and WSU that prevented Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff from calling any Pac-12 board meetings.

"I grew up where conduct spoke louder than words. That's how my parents treated me, and that's how I treated my children when they were growing up," Libey said before issuing his decision. "With that in mind, this court finds in favor that the plaintiffs are likely to prevail on their interpretation of the bylaws."

In a small Whitman County courthouse, roughly 15 miles from WSU's campus in Pullman, Libey heard arguments from three parties: OSU/WSU, the Pac-12 and the University of Washington, which entered the case as an intervenor, working on behalf of the nine other departing schools (Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Utah).

Over the course of about 2½ hours, all three parties argued for different outcomes.

OSU and WSU argued -- as they have done for weeks in written briefs -- that conference bylaws were clear that when schools announced they were joining other conferences, they immediately surrendered their seat on the conference board. That, they argued, was how it worked when UCLA and USC announced they were joining the Big Ten and, again, when Colorado announced it was leaving for the Big 12.

It was not only until the other seven announced they also were leaving, OSU and WSU argued, that those schools' interpretation of the bylaws changed and claimed that all 12 deserved a seat on the board.

"There isn't a single document that's been produced which shows that the University of Washington thought that this was the correct position until it provided its notice of withdrawal and now the shoe was on the other foot," argued lawyer Eric MacMichael, for OSU and WSU. "But parties are not allowed to just blatantly flip-flop on the meaning of contractual provisions just so they can have their cake and eat it too."

The conference attempted to maintain an appearance of neutrality, lobbying for the terms of the temporary restraining order -- which required a unanimous vote on any major decision -- to remain in place. The conference's attorney, Mark Lambert, was less assertive when addressing the court, acting more in a capacity of obligation.

Asked by Libey if the Pac-12 wants to continue in its business in the future, Lambert said, "Frankly, that is up to Oregon State and Washington State at this point, and the conference and the commissioner are sensitive to those issues and also sensitive to the notion that without a board that makes things difficult."

The departing schools asked Libey to rule against OSU and WSU outright, which would have essentially given them the right to govern the conference with a 10-2 supermajority.

At the heart of the dispute is forthcoming revenue. The departing schools, as they did in writing earlier this month, expressed concern that OSU and WSU could withhold revenue set to be distributed during this academic year. They also made the case that OSU/WSU's fear that the departing schools could vote to dissolve the conference -- then evenly distribute the remaining assets -- was irrelevant because of their belief that process could be conducted without any board action.

"It's simply the fact that the members could decide to dissolve that they wanted," argued Dan Levin, for Washington. "Of course, in all this time during these proceedings and before, no member has called for such a vote."

It's unclear if the departing schools would attempt to act on that mechanism if they don't win on appeals.

"We are disappointed with the decision and are immediately seeking review in the Washington Supreme Court and requesting to put on hold implementation of this decision," the remaining 10 members said in a statement. "As members of the Pac-12, participating in ongoing and scheduled competitions, we are members of the board under the Pac-12 bylaws. We have the right to the revenue earned by our schools during the 2023-2024 academic year, which is necessary in order to operate our athletics programs and to provide mental and physical health services, academic support, and other support programs for our student-athletes.

"We remain committed to the best interests of our student-athletes, athletic departments, and university communities and will persist in our efforts to secure a fair resolution."

Meanwhile, WSU president Kirk Schulz and athletic director Pat Chun lauded the court's "common-sense decision."

"It has always been our view that the future of the Pac-12 should be determined by the remaining members, not by those schools that are leaving the conference," they said in a statement. "This position is consistent with the action the Pac-12 Board of Directors took when the first two schools announced their departure from the conference more than a year ago.

"We have always been committed to protecting the best interests of the conference, our student-athletes, coaches and fans. Today's news allows Washington State University and Oregon State University to start that process as the controlling members of the Pac-12 Conference Board."

OSU president Jayathi Murthy and athletic director Scott Barnes offered a similar sentiment.

"We are pleased with the Court's decision today that Oregon State and Washington State constitute the only remaining members of the Pac-12 Conference Board," they said in a statement. "We look forward to charting a path forward for the Pac-12 that is in the best interest of the Conference and student-athletes. Our intentions are to make reasonable business decisions going forward while continuing to seek collaboration and consultation with the departing universities."

 

The PAC2 has full voting rights now 😋

 

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