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Pac 12 2023- The final countdown

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Chip has to go

Yeah, it's time. How do you beat USC in the Coliseum and then lay an egg at home to under .500 Cal? I thought he would get another year with the Big 10 transition but you might be pulling that trigger after an even worse year next season. 

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Very, very happy to be the final conference champion and have eternal conference scoreboard on every single team except UCLA (damn you, @Sbbruin!)

But this is a bittersweet moment too, because this conference was a hell of a lot of fun. Goofy, crazy, siblings beating the hell out of each other, best road trips of any conference, some fun rivalries and the unfortunate habit of eating our own nearly every season. I loved it, knew all the conference teams and their fans (normally great with a couple of exceptions), went to games at every other school. It was ours, way out here on the West Coast/Best Coast, and although the fan bases were smaller than elsewhere, they loved the game, the rivalries, and the pageantry no less than anyone else. It filled my fall Saturdays for many years. I will miss it every season going forward.

The conference only had one blueblood; perhaps that was part of its eventual demise. Tonight's UW win broke a tie for conference titles with UCLA - but still far behind USC. Now the enshittification of CFB brings my team to a conference we are very familiar with but that we will never fully be a part of. I will miss the Arizonas and Utahs and Oregon States and Cals. College football in this part of the country will never be the same. RIP, Pac-12. You'll be missed.

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The sentiment for the Pac 12 from people who were gleefully rooting for the Big 12’s demise is delicious. I don’t understand what a bunch of non-blue blood schools scattered across the eastern edge of the Great Plains did to the national sports media, but man, those fuckers wanted us to die.

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10 hours ago, flatdawgs said:

Very, very happy to be the final conference champion and have eternal conference scoreboard on every single team except UCLA (damn you, @Sbbruin!)

But this is a bittersweet moment too, because this conference was a hell of a lot of fun. Goofy, crazy, siblings beating the hell out of each other, best road trips of any conference, some fun rivalries and the unfortunate habit of eating our own nearly every season. I loved it, knew all the conference teams and their fans (normally great with a couple of exceptions), went to games at every other school. It was ours, way out here on the West Coast/Best Coast, and although the fan bases were smaller than elsewhere, they loved the game, the rivalries, and the pageantry no less than anyone else. It filled my fall Saturdays for many years. I will miss it every season going forward.

The conference only had one blueblood; perhaps that was part of its eventual demise. Tonight's UW win broke a tie for conference titles with UCLA - but still far behind USC. Now the enshittification of CFB brings my team to a conference we are very familiar with but that we will never fully be a part of. I will miss the Arizonas and Utahs and Oregon States and Cals. College football in this part of the country will never be the same. RIP, Pac-12. You'll be missed.

Amen, brother.

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As a late arrival with a kid at Oregon I’m feeling very nostalgic.  Even before he attended, I always loved Pac 10/12 after dark: fucking wildest ride in cfb.  
 

Im glad Shoe Daddy got us a landing spot, but it’s not the same when your games are in *checks notes* Lafayette as opposed to ogling co-eds in Tempe after the weather turns in Late October. 

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PAC 12 still on life support... One option is for Wazzu/OreSt to merge with the Mountain West Conf and call it the "New PAC 12"

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The Washington state Supreme Court declined on Friday to review the Pac-12's appeal of a lower court ruling that gives full control of the conference to Oregon State and Washington State, keeping in place a legal victory for the league's two remaining schools over its 10 departing members.

“We are pleased with the Washington Supreme Court’s decision today. We look forward to continuing our work of charting a path forward for the conference that is in the best interest of student-athletes and our wider university communities,” Oregon State President Jayathi Murthy and Washington State President Kirk Schulz said in a joint statement.

Last month, a superior court judge in Whitman County, Washington, granted the two remaining Pac-12 schools a preliminary injunction that sided with Oregon State and Washington State’s argument, saying 10 departing schools relinquished their right to be part of the conference’s decision-making board when they announced they were joining new leagues in 2024.

The decision put Oregon State and Washington State in control of hundreds of millions of dollars in Pac-12 assets, but also made them fully responsible for the conference’s liabilities.

The departing schools appealed the ruling. They contend conference bylaws allow them to continue to be part of the Pac-12 board of directors and have a say in how the conference is run until they actually withdraw from the league in August 2024.

The Nov. 15 ruling was put on hold by the state Supreme Court a few days later and a ruling from September was kept in place that calls for unanimous vote by all 12 schools of any conference business.

Friday's order lifts the stay and puts the preliminary injunction into effect.

Now Washington State and Oregon State can proceed as the sole decision-makers in the conference, though Superior Court Judge Gary Libey, while making his ruling in November, warned the schools about treating the departing schools unfairly and hoarding funds.

The 10 departing schools have said they are concerned that Oregon State and Washington State could deny them 2023-24 revenues from media rights contracts and postseason football and basketball participation that usually would be shared with the entire conference.

An in-season revenue distribution totaling $61 million dollars that otherwise would have been divvied up among 12 members in December was held up recently by the lack of a unanimous vote, according to a report by the San Jose Mercury News that was confirmed to the AP by a person with direct knowledge of the situation. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the conference was not making its internal business decisions public.

Ten Pac-12 schools have announced they are joining other power conferences next year, leaving Oregon State and Washington State facing a future with drastically reduced yearly revenues to fund their athletic departments.

Oregon State and Washington State have a plan to keep the Pac-12 alive and try to rebuild that includes operating as a two-team conference for at least one year, maybe two.

The schools announced earlier this month a football-scheduling partnership with the Mountain West. That partnership could eventually extend to other sports.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/washington-supreme-court-denies-review-pac-12-appeal-105705565

 

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Oregon State, Washington State settle with departing Pac-12 schools

Kyle Bonagura, ESPN  Dec 21, 2023

Oregon State and Washington State have come to an agreement in principle with the 10 departing Pac-12 universities that will end ongoing litigation related to control of the conference, the 12 universities announced Thursday.

The agreement comes in the wake of the Washington state Supreme Court's decision last week not to review a lower court's decision that granted control of the Pac-12 board of directors to OSU and WSU.

As part of the agreement, the 10 departing schools will forfeit an undisclosed portion of revenue distributions over the rest of the 2023-24 school year and have provided "specific guarantees against potential future liabilities."

"In September, as the two remaining members of the Pac-12 Conference, Oregon State University and Washington State University were forced to act swiftly to protect the future viability of the Pac-12. Thanks to the determination and strength of Beaver Nation and Cougar Nation and the excellence of our student-athletes, coaches and staff, we are now closer to achieving our goal," OSU president Jayathi Murthy and WSU president Kirk Schultz said in a joint statement. "Today's news marks a huge victory for our universities and a significant step toward stabilizing the Pac-12 Conference and preserving its 108-year legacy."

The Pac-12 will retain all its assets and future revenues, the presidents added.

This development allows all involved parties to move forward and, for OSU and WSU in particular, a better sense of what their financial picture will look like as they begin the process to rebuild the Pac-12.

In another statement, the departing schools said they'll work out the final details in the coming days.

"For now, we are grateful to resolve this dispute and look forward to competing against each other over the next several months in the Pac-12," their statement said.

Earlier this month, OSU and WSU announced it had come to a scheduling agreement with the Mountain West Conference to play six MWC opponents in football during the 2024 season. They are also close to finalizing an affiliate agreement with the West Coast Conference to host most of its other sports, most notably men's and women's basketball. It's possible the agreement with the WCC could be announced as early as this week, sources told ESPN.

Neither of those arrangements are expected to last beyond two seasons, while the OSU and WSU keep the Pac-12 afloat.

For a conference to exist, the NCAA requires "at least seven active Division I members," all of which must sponsor men's and women's basketball, and for the conference to sponsor at least 12 Division I sports, among other requirements. In the case of departures, the bylaws allow a conference a two-year grace period in which it can exist without the minimum number of schools.

After the two-year period, it is expected that OSU and WSU will have been able to recruit enough new members to meet NCAA requirements, with one possibility being a so-called reverse merger with teams from the Mountain West.

"This agreement ensures that the future of the Pac-12 will be decided by the schools that are staying, not those that are leaving," Murthy and Schulz said. "We look forward to what the future holds for our universities, our student-athletes, the Pac-12 Conference and millions of fans."

There are other arrangements that will need to be made for both athletic departments for next season. For example, the WCC does not offer track and field or swimming, meaning those sports still do not have a clear landing spot.

One possibility for the WSU women's swimming team would be for the Cougars to compete in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation, which hosts 11 sports and has affiliate members from schools all over the country -- including Cal, Stanford, UCLA and USC -- but is mainly made up of schools on the West Coast.

 

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On 12/23/2023 at 9:10 PM, LTtxfan said:

Oregon State, Washington State settle with departing Pac-12 schools

Kyle Bonagura, ESPN  Dec 21, 2023

Oregon State and Washington State have come to an agreement in principle with the 10 departing Pac-12 universities that will end ongoing litigation related to control of the conference, the 12 universities announced Thursday.

The agreement comes in the wake of the Washington state Supreme Court's decision last week not to review a lower court's decision that granted control of the Pac-12 board of directors to OSU and WSU.

As part of the agreement, the 10 departing schools will forfeit an undisclosed portion of revenue distributions over the rest of the 2023-24 school year and have provided "specific guarantees against potential future liabilities."

"In September, as the two remaining members of the Pac-12 Conference, Oregon State University and Washington State University were forced to act swiftly to protect the future viability of the Pac-12. Thanks to the determination and strength of Beaver Nation and Cougar Nation and the excellence of our student-athletes, coaches and staff, we are now closer to achieving our goal," OSU president Jayathi Murthy and WSU president Kirk Schultz said in a joint statement. "Today's news marks a huge victory for our universities and a significant step toward stabilizing the Pac-12 Conference and preserving its 108-year legacy."

The Pac-12 will retain all its assets and future revenues, the presidents added.

This development allows all involved parties to move forward and, for OSU and WSU in particular, a better sense of what their financial picture will look like as they begin the process to rebuild the Pac-12.

In another statement, the departing schools said they'll work out the final details in the coming days.

"For now, we are grateful to resolve this dispute and look forward to competing against each other over the next several months in the Pac-12," their statement said.

Earlier this month, OSU and WSU announced it had come to a scheduling agreement with the Mountain West Conference to play six MWC opponents in football during the 2024 season. They are also close to finalizing an affiliate agreement with the West Coast Conference to host most of its other sports, most notably men's and women's basketball. It's possible the agreement with the WCC could be announced as early as this week, sources told ESPN.

Neither of those arrangements are expected to last beyond two seasons, while the OSU and WSU keep the Pac-12 afloat.

For a conference to exist, the NCAA requires "at least seven active Division I members," all of which must sponsor men's and women's basketball, and for the conference to sponsor at least 12 Division I sports, among other requirements. In the case of departures, the bylaws allow a conference a two-year grace period in which it can exist without the minimum number of schools.

After the two-year period, it is expected that OSU and WSU will have been able to recruit enough new members to meet NCAA requirements, with one possibility being a so-called reverse merger with teams from the Mountain West.

"This agreement ensures that the future of the Pac-12 will be decided by the schools that are staying, not those that are leaving," Murthy and Schulz said. "We look forward to what the future holds for our universities, our student-athletes, the Pac-12 Conference and millions of fans."

There are other arrangements that will need to be made for both athletic departments for next season. For example, the WCC does not offer track and field or swimming, meaning those sports still do not have a clear landing spot.

One possibility for the WSU women's swimming team would be for the Cougars to compete in the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation, which hosts 11 sports and has affiliate members from schools all over the country -- including Cal, Stanford, UCLA and USC -- but is mainly made up of schools on the West Coast.

 

What ever happened to the Comcast debt???

Pac-12 schools are facing a $50 million fiasco after Comcast overpaid the athletic conference’s regional sports network. The company realized it was overcharged for licensing fees from 2012 through 2016.

 

https://cordcuttersnews.com/pac-12-network-must-pay-comcast-50-million-dollar-after-fiasco/#:~:text=Pac-12 schools are facing a %2450 million fiasco,out of San Francisco%2C which is over-budget already.

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On 12/24/2023 at 9:18 PM, LTtxfan said:

What ever happened to the Comcast debt???

Pac-12 schools are facing a $50 million fiasco after Comcast overpaid the athletic conference’s regional sports network. The company realized it was overcharged for licensing fees from 2012 through 2016.

 

My best guess is that the following has something to do with it:

On 12/24/2023 at 9:18 PM, LTtxfan said:

As part of the agreement, the 10 departing schools will forfeit an undisclosed portion of revenue distributions over the rest of the 2023-24 school year

 

 

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