RATM - using capitalism to sell communism

[bernorange 8367]

There is a lot of stuff going on in this article.  I found parts of it interesting.  It's long, so I'll just quote a small bit for a taste;

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This November, rock's most successful and pugnacious communists will be inducted, six years after they became eligible, to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Rage Against the Machine, a band that kicked the doors down on the 1990s with a then-novel mix of brutally heavy guitars and hip-hop vocals, also blended in unlikely tandem two other disparate traditions of American life.
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RATM's actual lyrics tend more toward domestic denunciations—against racism, cops, public education, mass media, misogyny, American exceptionalism, and the oppression of non-elite classes. Most of all, the group proclaimed itself from the rooftops as being devoutly anti-capitalist.

But therein lies a paradox deeper than the familiar charges of hypocrisy that greet millionaire Marxists the world over. Immediately prior to their meteoric rise, and one decade before technology toppled the music industry decisively in the direction of the consuming proletariat, Rage Against the Machine signed a deal for the release and, most importantly, ownership of their music with one of the world's largest corporate entertainment conglomerates, Sony, via their subsidiary label Epic.
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https://reason.com/2023/09/01/how-rage-against-the-machine-used-capitalism-to-sell-communism/

[Celery Man 21022]

[G650 14294]

Just chiming in to say I have not modified my stance that Rage are some of the worst douchebags in history

[jimmyjazz 46371]

Still, this was a well-phrased takedown:

[G650 14294]

4/10 at best

[Kennythetiger 9490]

47 minutes ago, G650 said:

Just chiming in to say I have not modified my stance that Rage are some of the worst douchebags in history

Ghost of Tom Joad is badass, though. 
The song, not the Surly member- he skipped a Longhorns football game to go see “Twilight” instead. 

[strangulation! 1716]

greatest musical commie is joe strummer

[Celery Man 21022]

6 minutes ago, strangulation! said:

greatest musical commie is joe strummer

[GhostOfTomJoad 9382]

21 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Ghost of Tom Joad is badass, though. 
The song, not the Surly member- he skipped a Longhorns football game to go see “Twilight” instead. 

[stc 1467]

RATM is one of those bands that's cool in high school when you don't know any better. still occasionally enjoy a song here and there but can't stomach a full album. 

[Rimbo 26175]

Article author seems to think that being able to make money from your job, and being against corporate control of government, are somehow mutually exclusive.

Not saying that RATM are smart enough to recognize the distinction themselves. Or most folks, for that matter. People seem to think that socialism and capitalism are a pair of extremes that can't ever have anything to do with each other, when the reality is that every country blends the two together out of necessity.

[Pescado_Rojo 19452]

13 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Article author seems to think that being able to make money from your job, and being against corporate control of government, are somehow mutually exclusive.

Not saying that RATM are smart enough to recognize the distinction themselves. Or most folks, for that matter. People seem to think that socialism and capitalism are a pair of extremes that can't ever have anything to do with each other, when the reality is that every country blends the two together out of necessity.

[Celery Man 21022]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Article author seems to think that being able to make money from your job, and being against corporate control of government, are somehow mutually exclusive.

Not saying that RATM are smart enough to recognize the distinction themselves. Or most folks, for that matter. People seem to think that socialism and capitalism are a pair of extremes that can't ever have anything to do with each other, when the reality is that every country blends the two together out of necessity.

note the source

[Boss Hogg 808]

Millionaire rock stars utilizing Che Guevara to help market their music will always be cringy. 

That said, one of my most vivid drug memories was tripping and watching my friend's roommate play Killing in the Name of in his apartment on Riverside at 18 years old. That's peak Rage age of course.

[Rimbo 26175]

52 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

note the source

Ah. Libertarians. Say no more.

[Buzzrock 15014]

Less lecturing more touring please.

[Bozo_Casanova 26615]

Is there a less self-aware group of insufferable, pretentious pseudo-intellects than the editors of Reason.com? Every time I read something from them I hear it in the voice of Derill from Kids in the Hall.

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Bozo_Casanova 26615]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Ah. Libertarians. Say no more.

A few years ago my BIL was at some kind of campus area grad school party he was talking to a girl, and this skinny-fat blond guy with bad posture and kind of a weak chin kept trying to get a word in.
When she wasn't having it, he glances over at the bookshelf, reaches over and pulls out a book and says "Gravity's Rainbow? That's my favorite book, behind The Fountainhead."

[Rimbo 26175]

31 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

A few years ago my BIL was at some kind of campus area grad school party he was talking to a girl, and this skinny-fat blond guy with bad posture and kind of a weak chin kept trying to get a word in.
When she wasn't having it, he glances over at the bookshelf, reaches over and pulls out a book and says "Gravity's Rainbow? That's my favorite book, behind The Fountainhead."

Now, I've been outta the game a few decades, and didn't have much game when I did, but that doesn't seem like a top notch pickup line to me. It's up there with "Would you like to come over to my place and clean my dishes for me?" and "I'm friends with Steven Seagal."

[Bozo_Casanova 26615]

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
 

Tell me what you infer from this

[Rimbo 26175]

it's terrifying that there's still more than 10% of the country that thinks climate change isn't a problem at all

[jimmyjazz 46371]

14 hours ago, Rimbo said:

it's terrifying that there's still more than 10% of the country that thinks climate change isn't a problem at all

Yes, 40% is more than 10%.

[DougO 5257]

I just like the music I like for the music. I couldn't give two shits for their political beliefs. If they express themselves in a musical way I can enjoy I can dig it. About 99% of great popular musicians aren't particularly good lyric writers anyway, and the ones that are often aren't particularly good musicians. The verbal part of the song is more like another musical instrument to me. If the lyrics are great, that's a bonus. 

[DougO 5257]

But Rage totally fucking sucks other than a couple of songs I can rock to. And Morello is a massive douche and I don't like his guitar playing, and he can't sing a lick.

[Bozo_Casanova 26615]

16 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
 

Tell me what you infer from this

Weird, not sure why this was posted here - this was meant for another thread.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[G650 14294]

Probably because you hit Submit Reply

[Deej 77012]

22 hours ago, Rimbo said:

it's terrifying that there's still more than 10% of the country that thinks climate change isn't a problem at all

I mean, it won't destroy the planet. Just destroy us. Maybe that's not such a bad thing. 

[DougO 5257]

If it weren't for climate change none of us would be here in the first place.

It's probably just time for us to be wiped out and replaced by higher forms that aren't such gaping pussies.

[ConferenceRoom 6147]

On 9/1/2023 at 9:26 AM, G650 said:

Just chiming in to say I have not modified my stance that Rage are some of the worst douchebags in history

Not even close. 

[G650 14294]

13 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Not even close. 

I've actually tried to legitimately think of worse douches, but I struggle to bring to mind anyone worse than Zack de la Rocha. Fred Durst maybe? The dude from Trapt?

[jimmyjazz 46371]

1 hour ago, G650 said:

I've actually tried to legitimately think of worse douches, but I struggle to bring to mind anyone worse than Zack de la Rocha. Fred Durst maybe? The dude from Trapt?

[G650 14294]

13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Legitimate nominees for the sweepstakes to be sure

[jimmyjazz 46371]

Didn't mean to LongStapp the thread.  Thought those images were smaller.

[Stilicho 1405]

On 9/1/2023 at 10:37 AM, Celery Man said:

This guy didn’t even need a wallet, much less one with bad motherfucker stamped on it.

He just was.