Colorado at tcu - 11am on Fox

[Horny Bull 2766]

Late to the party but get fucked TCU

[Pancho 44996]

8 minutes ago, redswingline said:

Yet, the two examples you provided don't apply.

What the fuck are you even talking about? You’re just typing random shit now because you know you’re wrong. 

Don’t try to walk it back now…

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

7 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Aged well

 

What’s her OF?

[grazinhorn 472]

One can have their doubts about Coach Prime long term and still acknowledge how big this game was for him and maybe even spend a minute rethinking the whole situation (even if one does not change position).

Wait, on second thought, maybe not...  no, definitely not.

 

[Sabalo 998]

Suck it. Suck it all the way back to irrelevance cockroaches.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Sabalo

[redswingline 1065]

8 minutes ago, Horny Bull said:

Late to the party but get fucked TCU

[Catdaddyhorn 3447]

23 minutes ago, redswingline said:

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?

A fan board and social media doesn't qualify as "reputable media".

You're not paying attention. Tom Luginbil said they'd be 1-11 reputable media all over thought they wouldnt be shit.  Theyre lack of depth will ultimately be their downfall but Deion is fucking coach regardless of the flash. 

[Pancho 44996]

4 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

You're not paying attention. Tom Luginbil said they'd be 1-11 reputable media all over thought they wouldnt be shit.  Theyre lack of depth will ultimately be their downfall but Deion is fucking coach regardless of the flash. 

Yup, and lots of the boys on the college football podcasts that people here tout said they’d maybe win 3-4 games. 

@redswingline knows this. He’s just being stupid right now for some dumbass reason. 

I’m not saying Colorado is going to win the Big 12 this year, but many in “reputable media” had them getting blown out this game and only winning 1-4 games overall this season. 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Pancho

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

I know I thought they would get blown out. Wasn't expecting Shadeur (sp?) to be half that good.

[naija 2869]

[redswingline 1065]

9 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I’m not saying Colorado is going to win the Big 12 this year, but many in “reputable media” had them getting blown out this game and only winning 1-4 games overall this season. 

Since you don't even know what conference the Buffs play in, I say let's move on..

 

[Pancho 44996]

4 minutes ago, redswingline said:

Since you don't even know what conference the Buffs play in, I say let's move on..

 

Christ, how dumb are you. 

They are moving to the big 12 next year with the other P12 schools. It was a joke about how this game is going to be a conference game next year…

 

[CurlyDumps 4484]

 

[Zepol87 9191]

Did any of you morons bother to read the Colorado thread? Plenty mfers here shit on him and want him to fail 

[Hank Scorpio 17731]

Doron Sanders is a piece of shit and I hope he fails. 

[Richard Kimball 1497]

Call him anything you want, but he just made about 80% of all the college football coaches shit a brick. 

[VaLonghorn99 341]

TCU, with the home court disadvantage. LOL wtf

[Pancho 44996]

Totally forgot Deion interviewed for the TCU job lol

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

I’m not saying Colorado is going to win the Big 12 this year, but many in “reputable media” had them getting blown out this game and only winning 1-4 games overall this season. 

I think the bigger point is a lot of people drastically overvalued TCU. 

They weren't a 13-2 caliber team last year even though that was their record. Throw in all the production lost and a new OC, that's not anywhere close to a top-20 team. 

[Aqua Buddha 14610]

Have we thought for a second that maybe TCU just kind of sucks?  They're trotting out Chandler Morris for God's sake and Rapey McBriles is calling plays like he's playing video games.

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Have we thought for a second that maybe TCU just kind of sucks?  They're trotting out Chandler Morris for God's sake and Rapey McBriles is calling plays like he's playing video games.

Both things can be true. 

Colorado isn't a 1 or 2 win team (like a lot people predicted) and TCU isn't a top-20 team. That's how you get a 20 point favorite losing at home. 

[markstanco 12612]

I think the bigger point is a lot of people drastically overvalued TCU. 
They weren't a 13-2 caliber team last year even though that was their record. Throw in all the production lost and a new OC, that's not anywhere close to a top-20 team. 

I hate tcu but their record was 13-2 so that is who they were. They were the 180 of Nebraska. Good teams win the one score games, bad teams lose them. To take that away from tcu is just being ignorant about college football.

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

5 minutes ago, markstanco said:

I hate tcu but their record was 13-2 so that is who they were. They were the 180 of Nebraska. Good teams win the one score games, bad teams lose them. To take that away from tcu is just being ignorant about college football.

Luck plays a huge role in 1 score games. 

No matter how good a team plays in one score games, winning at a 88% clip in those type games is not sustainable. It's why Herman was always doomed for failure. It wasn't about being "good or bad" in one score games it was about putting yourself within the range of luck playing a huge factor in determining outcomes. 

[msucolt45 4077]

The old saying of last year’s team has no reference/recollection of this year’s team. Two totally different teams.

Hook’em!!!

[redswingline 1065]

1 minute ago, markstanco said:

I hate tcu but their record was 13-2 so that is who they were. They were the 180 of Nebraska. Good teams win the one score games, bad teams lose them. To take that away from tcu is just being ignorant about college football.

All of those wins meant nothing. They didn't even win the conference. Then they got smashed by Georgia in the worst MNC loss in history. There's no banner going up on their stadium for the wins, unless they are going to pull an aggy and make up a conference title or something.

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

There was an article/study of one-score games in the NFL a few years ago. Almost every year after a team won a bunch of one-score games they regressed toward the mean the following season. 

The Vikings will be the TCU of the NFL this year after winning 11 one-score games last year. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

31 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Have we thought for a second that maybe TCU just kind of sucks?  They're trotting out Chandler Morris for God's sake and Rapey McBriles is calling plays like he's playing video games.

It doesn’t take anything away from how dreadful Colorado was last year and what a job turning things around Deion has done. 

[redswingline 1065]

5 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

There was an article/study of one-score games in the NFL a few years ago. Almost every year after a team won a bunch of one-score games they regressed toward the mean the following season.

Absolutely. I sometimes wonder if the data would be useful for betting on CFB.

Edited September 2, 2023 by redswingline

[ztejas 43538]

4 minutes ago, redswingline said:

Absolutely. I sometimes wonder if the data would be useful for betting on CFB.

I'm pretty sure Vegas prices stuff like that in, amigo. 

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

5 minutes ago, redswingline said:

Absolutely. I sometimes wonder if the data would be useful for betting on CFB.

I had this same discussion about Herman. You don't want a coach that's "good at winning close games." That's a myth when luck is involved. 

Look at all the powerhouse programs over the years (Bama, Georgia, Ohio State). They don't become powerhouses by winning "one-score games" they do it by avoiding luck and blowing teams out. 

 

[ConferenceRoom 6147]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

We are all Colorado fans next week. 

Fuckin’ A, bubba. 

[TwiceHorn 31537]

So, I didn't watch the game.

But my thoughts all along were that this is probably more about Spike without Max Duggan and some of the other magical pieces from last year than anything else.

[pch 1261]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, I didn't watch the game.

But my thoughts all along were that this is probably more about Spike without Max Duggan and some of the other magical pieces from last year than anything else.

Sonny had him second string last year until Morris got hurt-talk about catching lightning in a bottle.  The loss of experience and leadership from the team that got to the MNC game really showed up, but the most impressive thing about yesterday is the fact that Colorado put a team on the field that still hasn't learned each other's names yet and ripped the Frogs a new one in front of the largest crowd in Amon Carter stadium history. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by pch

[Hawndoh 2388]

If Colorado can keep the QB, RB, and the two way athletic freak healthy they can do some damage.

If that kid plays 115 snaps every game it may prove difficult to keep him healthy.

Hopefully their plan is to only play him that much when really necessary.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

13 hours ago, markstanco said:

I hate tcu but their record was 13-2 so that is who they were. They were the 180 of Nebraska. Good teams win the one score games, bad teams lose them. To take that away from tcu is just being ignorant about college football.

This is such a classic stanco post. Just dead wrong in every way. When projecting how good a team will be the next year, you absolutely have to factor in things like point differential and record in one score games to determine how good they actually were.

The good teams win close games lines is utter bullshit. Good teams don’t get caught in a bunch of one score games. Lucky teams win close games and it’s not replicable. 

[Hard Times 302]

No Duggan, Johnston, Miller and a few good players on defense. Things always regress back towards the mean eventually. Sunny Dikes is no Nick Saban. Remember when Aranda was a genius?

[sidis 9832]

My takeaway from this game is that it’s my hope that the Patterson defensive culture is finally out of TCU’s fabric and that Dykes is turning them into cal and smu where they give up 50 points a game. Last year there was still holdover defensively…as well as a 100th year qb and a some talent on offense that’s not there. 

[CashMcCoy 3199]

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

48 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, I didn't watch the game.

But my thoughts all along were that this is probably more about Spike without Max Duggan and some of the other magical pieces from last year than anything else.

How would you define success this year for Colorado?

TCU could be even worse than people are rationalizing them to be and still whipped last year’s Colorado team. What Sanders engineered at Jacksonville State wasn’t a fluke and the impact he’s had at Colorado is real. That was a huge statement win on the road in game 1. It doesn’t mean they’re going to compete for a national championship or even a PAC-12 championship. But it serves notice, to recruits most especially, that, in Coach Prime’s words, “We coming.” Times are changing.

Next up: Nebraska comes to Boulder. Are you betting against the Butfs? They’re now favored in that game. Then they face Colorado State. They could start the season 3-0.

I’d say it’s very likely that Colorado is going bowling this year and no matter how much anyone may try to trivialize yesterday’s win by dismissing TCU, the Sanders era at CU is off to a resounding start. If they go to a bowl game this year and prove themselves a team to be taken seriously even in games where they’re outclassed, there’s no way you can’t call that a success. The recruits will see it that way and they’ll come. In terms of a rebuild, no one could ask for a better start. Poo poo it all you want but the recruits will take notice. I’ll bet there will be a lot of them in the stadium on Saturday. The CU fans will be excited and Nebraska fans travel well. That should be a great atmosphere. 

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

The good teams win close games lines is utter bullshit. Good teams don’t get caught in a bunch of one score games. Lucky teams win close games and it’s not replicable. 

So much this. 

It annoyed me to always read "Herman isn't a good coach because he can't win close games." Nah, he was a bad coach because he was always in close games which allowed luck to determine outcomes. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

22 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

So much this. 

It annoyed me to always read "Herman isn't a good coach because he can't win close games." Nah, he was a bad coach because he was always in close games which allowed luck to determine outcomes. 

Since the start of the 2021 season, Nebraska is 2-14 in games decided by one score. Is it just bad luck that so many outcomes went against them? If it was just luck, wouldn’t the split be closer to 50/50?

No. It’s true that better teams, and better coaches, fare better in close games because they keep their cool and don’t panic or make mistakes under pressure. Clock management, play calling and execution, whether to punt or go for it on 4th down, ball security, etc. There are a lot of ways that coaching and discipline separate the good teams from the not-so-good teams when the game is on the line. It’s not just luck. 

[TwiceHorn 31537]

2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

How would you define success this year for Colorado?

TCU could be even worse than people are rationalizing them to be and still whipped last year’s Colorado team. What Sanders engineered at Jacksonville State wasn’t a fluke and the impact he’s had at Colorado is real. That was a huge statement win on the road in game 1. It doesn’t mean they’re going to compete for a national championship or even a PAC-12 championship. But it serves notice, to recruits most especially, that, in Coach Prime’s words, “We coming.” Times are changing.

Next up: Nebraska comes to Boulder. Are you betting against the Butfs? They’re now favored in that game. Then they face Colorado State. They could start the season 3-0.

I’d say it’s very likely that Colorado is going bowling this year and no matter how much anyone may try to trivialize yesterday’s win by dismissing TCU, the Sanders era at CU is off to a resounding start. If they go to a bowl game this year and prove themselves a team to be taken seriously even in games where they’re outclassed, there’s no way you can’t call that a success. The recruits will see it that way and they’ll come. In terms of a rebuild, no one could ask for a better start. Poo poo it all you want but the recruits will take notice. I’ll bet there will be a lot of them in the stadium on Saturday. The CU fans will be excited and Nebraska fans travel well. That should be a great atmosphere. 

I don't really have an opinion on CU.  I am sort of vested in the notion of TCU returning to earth after last year.

Not really for or against Neon Deion, either.  Talented dude, no question.  Bit of a glory guts for my taste, but whatever.

On the notion of a black coach succeeding at high level CFB, all for it.

[Rickylovesweed 14542]

4 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Since the start of the 2021 season, Nebraska is 2-14 in games decided by one score. Is it just bad luck that so many outcomes went against them? If it was just luck, wouldn’t the split be closer to 50/50?

There are a lot of ways that coaching and discipline separate the good teams from the not-so-good teams when the game is on the line. It’s not just luck. 

It will definitely end up closer to a 50/50 split with more games. Also, that's how luck works. It doesn't always work in your favor or against you. That's why you try to avoid it because it's unpredictable.

What separates the good teams from the not-so-good teams is winning by big margins where a bad call, a bad bounce, a late injury, etc don't impact the outcome. Like I said above, the powerhouse programs over the years don't win a lot of close games. They blow out teams and avoid "lucky" or "unlucky" situations from influencing outcomes. 

 

[Pam Cummings 9663]

Winning one score games is important. But if every game you play is a one score game, you're mediocre.

[Pato del Muerto 52602]

Don’t feel like putting in the effort to google this, but didn’t tcu catch like 5 teams playing their backup qb due to injury- and beat some of them by one score?

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

Nebraska has been losing these games for about 6 years now. It's not just bad luck. They are out on the field making these losses happen, week in, week out, just how they were born to do.

[C-Man 27262]

Don’t feel like putting in the effort to google this, but didn’t tcu catch like 5 teams playing their backup qb due to injury- and beat some of them by one score?

Yes

[Pato del Muerto 52602]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Yes

Thought so. Well that isn’t preparation, it isn’t effort, and it isn’t great in-game situational coaching or execution.  It’s luck that the entirety of the game became easier- against half of the conference schedule. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Pato del Muerto

[LTtxfan 49358]

Good shorter version of game's big plays...

 

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

51 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I am sort of vested in the notion of TCU returning to earth after last year.

I think that’s a common sentiment here. For obvious reasons. And it’s a common response to practically every early season upset; just how good was the losing team anyway? That’s one of the great things about college football. Every team develops differently and we get to fill in a little more of the picture every week. So we won’t know how good either team really is until we see how the season plays out.

But clearly there are posters here who are inclined to conclude that TCU lost because they suck, not because Colorado is good. That way the Frogs aren’t a threat. In fact there’s a tendency among some to say that TCU really wasn’t that good last year. They just got lucky. That’s easy to understand.

I don’t know what the realistic expectations were for TCU this year. I think everyone would agree that Colorado has at least met the most optimistic expectations for the opening game and exceeded all reasonable expectations. And if TCU didn’t live up to their expectations, I think it would be unfair not to give Colorado some credit for that. They came and smacked TCU in the mouth and the Frogs looked like they weren’t expecting it. We”ll just have to wait and see how both teams respond. I’m looking forward to finding out. The start of the Coach Prime era in Boulder is going to be a fun storyline to follow this year. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by WhatTheBuck