Clemson (-12.5) at Duke, 7:00 on ESPN

[MuellerHorn 4624]

5 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

It not just Venables, Dabo has stacked the coaching staff with a bunch of inexperienced former players. 

Yep, this. It's all about his guys and his culture. However, it's not actually about the protection of the program; rather, it's about his self-righteous ego.  It'll be his downfall.

Edited September 5, 2023 by MuellerHorn

[WBT 20979]

Yeah, I thought that should be post-possession change

[BurntOrange&White 41868]

Damn, hopefully that doesn't cost Duke the game

 

[The Ace of Aces 5377]

1 minute ago, millhouse said:

Idiots. He started the slide too soon but the late hit gives it to them 

Plus it’s a spear hit/targeting.  Awful.  

[Huckleberry 34661]

Yep, 4th down play was over. Late hit is I believe technically after the change of possession. 

[C-Man 27779]

Holy shit. It's dead ball.

That’s not how it’s supposed to work — right?

[DaysOff 8210]

Yeah, I thought that should be post-possession change

That's what he said before the break

[LonghornSean 4103]

Ban the QB slide. It’s a magnet for targeting and such a tough play for defenders to react to.

[Topper13 3639]

Can't do that

[jw4381 3249]

I think it's Duke ball after the play ended?

[Napoleon 8834]

Just now, WBT said:

Yeah, I thought that should be post-possession change

Awesome!

Ball is turned over on downs first.

YES!!!

[DigDug 1738]

Klubnik why are you sliding, just stupid

[MonkeyDoughnut 10803]

Can you target after the play?

[Sawbonz 28223]

The qb shouldn’t be able to slide that late

[Surly Bevo 25749]

Yea but if it is targeting how is that post possession?  I mean if that was a WR and the pass was sailed over his head pretty sure that would be a first down....I mean I won't mind but still seems odd.  

[Huckleberry 34661]

Just now, C-Man said:

That’s not how it’s supposed to work — right?

I think so. We're all used to defenders doing something stupid like that on 3rd down. Totally different on 4th down. I think, but we'll find out. 

[Vic Mackey 47960]

Such a dumb penalty to take. He was telegraphing his slide. Just get out his way

[Vito Andolini 9451]

This will be a helluva call if indeed post possession. Swinney will lose his shit.

[DigDug 1738]

Just now, LonghornSean said:

Ban the QB slide. It’s a magnet for targeting and such a tough play for defenders to react to.

Completely agree with this.  

[Huckleberry 34661]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

Yea but if it is targeting how is that post possession?  I mean if that was a WR and the pass was sailed over his head pretty sure that would be a first down....I mean I won't mind but still seems odd.  

Late hit with targeting. Late by definition is after the play. Targeting can also happen during the play. 

[AUS-97HORN 12051]

Just now, YChang said:

Man, you always see that happen… someone too eager to take out a QB 

but thats also the exact play that drives us crazy.

 

even on the reply it looked like the duke guy jumped at the exact moment that Klubnick started dropping.    Im not really sure how the hell the defender is supposed to avoid a head hit there when he was aiming for the guys chest. 

 

i was suprised to hear that its a post posession foul. 

[Napoleon 8834]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

Yea but if it is targeting how is that post possession?  I mean if that was a WR and the pass was sailed over his head pretty sure that would be a first down....I mean I won't mind but still seems odd.  

He was down short of the 1st down.

Ball gets turned over on downs.

QB gets hit, so Duke has to move the ball back 15 yards.

[The Ace of Aces 5377]

Duke got CRAZY lucky 

[Nicole44 22315]

Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick! Devils might actually turn into a football school.

All kidding aside, this is what a good HC can do. Elko is a good HC. Good luck keeping him.

[Horn80 6361]

Dead ball?  Lol

[millhouse 2733]

Wow, that's crazy, but rules are rules

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

Wow! Duke got the ball back

[jw4381 3249]

bahahahahaha

[GreenspointTexas 9971]

They explained it pretty well

[DaysOff 8210]

Fuck yes. Correct call. Play dead.

[C-Man 27779]

Sorry, that’s a horribly bad rule.

Klubnick is a dumb ass.

[Vito Andolini 9451]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

I think so. We're all used to defenders doing something stupid like that on 3rd down. Totally different on 4th down. I think, but we'll find out. 

That’s a great distinction being FOURTH DOWN. That’s the key. 

[DaysOff 8210]

Stfu Dave. You're wrong and stupid

[BurntOrange&White 41868]

1 minute ago, Horn80 said:

Dead ball?  Lol

Yes because play is over once he starts to slide.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

Lmao @35 trying to hype the crowd almost after fuckin up the entire game and his teammates giving him the death stare

[AUS-97HORN 12051]

2 minutes ago, millhouse said:

Wow, that's crazy, but rules are rules

of all the idiotic NCAA rules related to targeting, the fact that they dont have an exception written into the rule specifically on a 4th down play like that seems even more idiotic

Edited September 5, 2023 by AUS-97HORN

[JBJ 3827]

Announcer is dumb.  A LATE hit can only be deadball.

Edited September 5, 2023 by JBJ

[msucolt45 4231]

Duke with a 2 TD lead, less than 10 min left.

Hook’em!!!

[UTEX_ME 4289]

Just now, AUS-97HORN said:

of all the idiotic NCAA rules related to targeting, the fact that they dont have an exception written into the rule specifically on a 4th down play like that. 

still 15 yard penalty for Duke though so they were "penalized" correct?

[SameSame 1752]

Obviously IQ tests aren't a big criterion for Clemson quarterbacks

[Nicole44 22315]

That replay command center looks like most of them left for margaritas or something. 

[Surly Bevo 25749]

So a 4th down late hit out of bounds would work the same way?  Seems shaky....I mean it may be the rule, but that seems like a bad rule.  

[MuellerHorn 4624]

3 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

of all the idiotic NCAA rules related to targeting, the fact that they dont have an exception written into the rule specifically on a 4th down play like that. 

I disagree. It was fourth down and the runner was down short of the line to gain, so possession changes. It's no different than if someone walked up to Klubnik as he was walking off the field and targeted him. It's still after the play ended.

Edited September 5, 2023 by MuellerHorn

[Huckleberry 34661]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Sorry, that’s a horribly bad rule.

Klubnick is a dumb ass.

How so? Play was over. As soon as Klubnik was down possession changed. It's not a specific rule, it's the basic rule of football. If you don't reach the line to gain on 4th down it's the other team's ball. 

[Sgt Hulk 14450]

Lol duck clemson 

[millhouse 2733]

Monster punt. Needs to learn the Dickson love wedge

[UTEX_ME 4289]

 

[hornbri 1511]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

So a 4th down late hit out of bounds would work the same way?  Seems shaky....I mean it may be the rule, but that seems like a bad rule.  

This

[msucolt45 4231]

That replay command center looks like most of them left for margaritas or something. 

They went to get “Carolina BBQ”! Which is shredded stuff and half a loaf of bread!

Hook’em!!!

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

2 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Announcer is dumb.  A LATE hit can only be deadball.

Nope.  If QB throws ball on 4th down and ball in air, a late hit on QB results in first down there.