Kenny Paxton/Dave P's Impeachment Game Day Thread

[chainsaw 10010]

4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Please tell me Rusty is not giving the closing argument 

 

Maybe it has to be one of the House Managers like with the opening statement

[South Austin 52696]

23 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Please tell me Rusty is not giving the closing argument 

Paxton: “Please tell me Rusty is giving the closing argument.”

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29 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Please tell me Rusty is not giving the closing argument 

 

Also, WFAA mentioning that 7 Senators that were Paxton allies were eating together last night, and that they think Paxton needs two additional Senators along with another Paxton ally, but it has to be across all 16 charges.

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

This is all academic, no.  Isn't it generally assumed that Paxton skates?

Because the GOP has condemned this state to one hundred years of misery and we do not have a second opportunity on earth.

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4 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

This is all academic, no.  Isn't it generally assumed that Paxton skates?

Because the GOP has condemned this state to one hundred years of misery and we do not have a second opportunity on earth.

It's not assumed, because if he was going to easily skate, they would have tossed the charges last week (or never even have gotten to this piont), because the "coup" plotters are all very conservative types that were hand-picked by him to serve under him, and because it's obvious some BMDs/Republican power players want him gone or at least humiliated.

Edit: His securities fraud and his Nate Paul ties have also really irritated the fuck out of Republicans, because it hangs over everything.

But with this timeline, who the fuck knows.

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 90056]

Oh good, Patrick is now going to explain everything that's about to happen, and that everything will be transparent.

Just do the fucking vote - I think everybody understands how that works.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

This is all academic, no.  Isn't it generally assumed that Paxton skates?

Because the GOP has condemned this state to one hundred years of misery and we do not have a second opportunity on earth.

It's not generally assumed of anything except that it's going to be close. There is a cadre of 7-8 that are definitely against impeachment. 

[chainsaw 10010]

If Paxton ever had 10 votes, House wouldn't even have started this process.

To me it looks like there were some legitimate fence sitters at the beginning of the trial. Perhaps as many as 4.

So, nothing is "generally assumed" at this point.

[South Austin 52696]

7 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

This is all academic, no.  Isn't it generally assumed that Paxton skates?

Because the GOP has condemned this state to one hundred years of misery and we do not have a second opportunity on earth.

Hey, the Longhorns just beat Alabama.  We can do this.

[TexasEd 8146]

Patrick laid out the escape route "if an article contains three elements and the senator only believes 2 of them were proven beyond a reasonable doubt then the whole article is not proven"

[Brisketexan 105580]

1 minute ago, TexasEd said:

Patrick laid out the escape route "if an article contains three elements and the senator only believes 2 of them were proven beyond a reasonable doubt then the whole article is not proven"

That's how any crime or civil claim is.  In a court of law.

But, as mentioned previously, this is not a court of law.  Not even close to being one.

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I'm not going to lie, I kind of want Paxton to skate, so that he goes on his revenge tour and tries to ensure that all 60 Republicans in the House that voted against him are booted out of office next year.  That would suck up so many Republican election funds.

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If Paxton ever had 10 votes, House wouldn't even have started this process.

That's what a lot of people are missing - I think it's safe to assume that the House members were talking to their Republican colleagues in the Senate.

[Brisketexan 105580]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not going to lie, I kind of want Paxton to skate, so that he goes on his revenge tour and tries to ensure that all 60 Republicans in the House that voted against him are booted out of office next year.  That would suck up so many Republican election funds.

The only question here is the specific nature and intensity of the GQP civil war, not whether there is one.

Convict Paxton?  GQP civil war.

Acquit Paxton?  GQP civil war.

Outcome either way: the people of Texas somehow continue to get good and fucked.

[CooterBrown 18091]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not going to lie, I kind of want Paxton to skate, so that he goes on his revenge tour and tries to ensure that all 60 Republicans in the House that voted against him are booted out of office next year.  That would suck up so many Republican election funds.

I kinda want him to skate because Texans deserve this piece of shit. 

 

[South Austin 52696]

Just now, CooterBrown said:

I kinda want him to skate because Texans deserve this piece of shit. 

Speak for yourself.  I don't deserve that piece of shit.

[Beau Vine 54878]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not going to lie, I kind of want Paxton to skate, so that he goes on his revenge tour and tries to ensure that all 60 Republicans in the House that voted against him are booted out of office next year.  That would suck up so many Republican election funds.

I kind of want him to skate and then have the FBI come fuck his shit up while our lege stands around holding their dicks.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

The only question here is the specific nature and intensity of the GQP civil war, not whether there is one.

Convict Paxton?  GQP civil war.

Acquit Paxton?  GQP civil war.

Outcome either way: the people of Texas somehow continue to get good and fucked.

Paxton won't have much power if he's booted out though, so the civil war won't be much.  We've already seen that Paxton doesn't have much of a base, based on the lack of Paxton supporters in the balcony or protesting outside.  As Attorney General though, he could stir up a lot of shit and continue to fundraise against those Republicans.

And like I said, if he's booted out, they probably ban him from future office, which means he could not raise any more campaign funds, which means that  the campaign funds he currently controls become extremely valuable (assuming they aren't stripped from him somehow), and I don't think he wastes them on a revenge tour.

Listening to Patrick reading the charges, I didn't realize that Paxton didn't contest that he was having an affair with Olson.

[SydneyCarton 48309]

7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm not going to lie, I kind of want Paxton to skate, so that he goes on his revenge tour and tries to ensure that all 60 Republicans in the House that voted against him are booted out of office next year.  That would suck up so many Republican election funds.

And it's irrelevent, they'd be replaced by equal, or more likely, bigger crazies. Net loss Texas. Get the motherfucker out. 

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Paxton won't have much power if he's booted out though, so the civil war won't be much.  We've already seen that Paxton doesn't have much of a base, based on the lack of Paxton supporters in the balcony or protesting outside.  As Attorney General though, he could stir up a lot of shit and continue to fundraise against those Republicans.

And like I said, if he's booted out, they probably ban him from future office, which means he could not raise any more campaign funds, which means that  the campaign funds he currently controls become extremely valuable (assuming they aren't stripped from him somehow), and I don't think he wastes them on a revenge tour.

Listening to Patrick reading the charges, I didn't realize that Paxton didn't contest that he was having an affair with Olson.

If Paxton actually got impeached, he would immeidately move to a neighboring red state and run for AG. 

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

I kind of want him to skate and then have the FBI come fuck his shit up while our lege stands around holding their dicks.

That is a real possibility. And he's still got the securities fraud stuff.

I think he gets booted out though.  Even the simple idea of him starting a Republican civil war heading into a Presidential election has to make some Senators really nervous.

[TexasEd 8146]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

And it's irrelevent, they'd be replaced by equal, or more likely, bigger crazies. Net loss Texas. Get the motherfucker out. 

If Paxton actually got impeached, he would immeidately move to a neighboring red state and run for AG. 

He will likely be Trump's choice for US Attorney General if Trump wins, whether removed from Texas or not.

He has proven he has no qualms with weaponizing a department of justice and taking care of allies.

Edited September 15, 2023 by TexasEd

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WFAA mentioned that even after today, he's still impeached, because the additional four articles relating to the securities fraud (there are 20 in total) are playing out in actual court.

[South Austin 52696]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

WFAA mentioned that even after today, he's still impeached, because the additional four articles relating to the securities fraud (there are 20 in total) are playing out in actual court.

Interesting.  So even if he's acquitted by the Senate after these proceedings, he's still on leave and the interim AG is still in charge?

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1 minute ago, TexasEd said:

He will likely be Trump's choice for US Attorney General if Trump wins, whether removed from Texas or not.

I was thinking that, and he'd have his campaign funds to weasel his way into Trump's graces....but he would also be a loser with the Nate Paul shit hanging over his head, and Trump doesn't like losers.

Sounds like the House gets 10 minutes, defense gets 60, and then House gets 50 minutes.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

It's not civil war, it's a motley group of partisans looking for small victories against an occupying force of huns (GOP). I don't want Paxton to skate.  If he loses, it's the equivalent of me putting laxative in the potato soup of a bunch of German officers and not getting caught.

We're like the dutch in WWII.

[Captainant 27974]

Just now, The Original Greaser Bob said:

It's not civil war, it's a motley group of partisans looking for small victories against an occupying force of huns (GOP). I don't want Paxton to skate.  If he loses, it's the equivalent of me putting laxative in the potato soup of a bunch of German officers and not getting caught.

We're like the dutch in WWII.

If anyone could take this impeachment a bridge too far, it's Rusty. 

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1 minute ago, South Austin said:

Interesting.  So even if he's acquitted by the Senate after these proceedings, he's still on leave and the interim AG is still in charge?

Yep, he's still technically impeached until those work their way out.

Here's a list of all 20 charges

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/25/ken-paxton-20-articles-impeachment/

I'm guessing these three are part of the ones not being voted on today:

Article 11, obstruction of justice

Paxton abused the judicial process to thwart justice by causing “protracted” delays after a Collin County grand jury indicted him for securities fraud for soliciting investors in Servergy Inc. without disclosing that the McKinney tech company was paying him to round up investors. Those delays “deprived the electorate of its opportunity to make an informed decision when voting for attorney general,” the resolution said.

Article 12, obstruction of justice 

Paxton abused the judicial process to thwart justice when Jeff Blackard, a donor to his campaigns, took legal action that “disrupted payment of the prosecutors” in the securities fraud case against him, causing a protracted delay in the case.

Article 13, false statements in official records

Before and after holding public office, Paxton made false statements to mislead the public and public officials by lying to the State Securities Board during its investigation of Paxton’s failure to register as an investment adviser as required by state law.

This could be the fourth charge:

Article 14, false statements in official records

Before and during his time in office, Paxton made false statements on personal finance statements required by Texas law by failing to “fully and accurately disclose his financial interests” on disclosure forms.

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I really wish Andrew Murr had been running things instead of Rusty.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

If anyone could take this impeachment a bridge too far, it's Rusty. 

And how bloody bored we'd be!

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Holy shit Murr is going hard in the paint on Paxton.

And doing it to Paxton's face.

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 90056]

Buzbee is up, should have setup a drinking game for this.

Did Buzbee put up a poster of Rusty in the background?

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[South Austin 52696]

Bad timing to be on a Zoom hearing with about 50 attorneys.

[chainsaw 10010]

The video is not working?

[atomheartbevo 90056]

I like the overly tan face and slicked-back hair.   Exactly the kind of attorney I'd want in this situation.

[Captainant 27974]

Just now, South Austin said:

Bad timing to be on a Zoom hearing with about 50 attorneys.

eh, it's all livestreamed on youtube and you can scrub back in time to watch if you care to

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

I like the overly tan face and slicked-back hair.   Exactly the kind of attorney I'd want in this situation.

Yeah the chat is calling him "diet trump" lmao

[atomheartbevo 90056]

Biden's policies come to die in Texas, take a drink everybody!

And Buzbee's Powerpoint presentation died.

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[chainsaw 10010]

If you ask me this time should be taxed against Paxton.

[TexasEd 8146]

14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I was thinking that, and he'd have his campaign funds to weasel his way into Trump's graces....but he would also be a loser with the Nate Paul shit hanging over his head, and Trump doesn't like losers.

Sounds like the House gets 10 minutes, defense gets 60, and then House gets 50 minutes.

The Nate shit is federal and Trump could pardon Paxton in order to appoint him.  That would be 100% in character

[atomheartbevo 90056]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Biden's policies come to die in Texas, take a drink everybody!

60 Republicans in the House voted to impeach, but this is about Biden!

Shout out to Texas Tribune, Dallas Morning News, and the Houston Chronicle.

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[chainsaw 10010]

How long into Paxton's closing statement will it take before he acknowledges the existence of Nate Paul

Ah yes, the famed "i got texts from my buddies about this" defense.

[atomheartbevo 90056]

Buzbee missed his calling as a Joel Osteen/televangelist type.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

Ain't no evidence.

[chainsaw 10010]

Isn't Paxton literally going to Maine after this?

[atomheartbevo 90056]

"THE BUSH ERA IN TEXAS ENDS TODAY!"

"THEY CAN GO BACK TO MAINE!"

Edited September 15, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[Beau Vine 54878]

25 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

He will likely be Trump's choice for US Attorney General if Trump wins, whether removed from Texas or not.

Can he afford that?

[Horn80 6241]

Anyone want to buy snake oil?

[atomheartbevo 90056]

I want to take Buzbee's closing argument, and give it the Tilton treatment because he sounds a lot like Tilton

 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2853]

George H. W.  Bush shat this guy out when he ate some bad cheese enchiladas.

[Guest]

Fucking Dave Maxwell, wearing a hat. Can't trust that shit.

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Just now, FirstTimeCaller said:

Fucking Dave Maxwell, wearing a hat. Can't trust that shit.

"SIX FOOT SIX!  WEARS A HAT!"