Kenny Paxton/Dave P's Impeachment Game Day Thread

[royiv 9131]

10 minute break... finally passed the witness.

[YGIFS 19449]

2 minutes ago, That Guy said:

10 minute break and then Buzbee gets to cross examine mateer.

 

Good, that way Buzbee isn't rushed in the stall.  And has enough time to do a couple lines plus add a nice base of bronzer without having to frantically do all it at once and accidentally spray the blow.  

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2655]

how da fuck is anything concrete going to come in other than documents with Danny granting all these stupid hearsay objections? Rules of Civil or Criminal evidence should not apply to this proceeding and if the prosecution agreed to that, well shit.

[Beau Vine 53964]

Buzbee is killing this guy on Cross. 

Of course, now he's asking the guy how he deletes every text.  For some reason, Rusty is just sitting quietly while Buzbee asks him if he knows who else deletes all their emails.

 

[Beau Vine 53964]

Did Rusty go to sleep?   Because Buzbee is just destroying this guy and there have been zero objections.  
 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Beau Vine

[royiv 9131]

Buzbee is such a smug asshole, but he's destroying Mateer.

[Zepol87 9163]

34 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Good, that way Buzbee isn't rushed in the stall.  And has enough time to do a couple lines plus add a nice base of bronzer without having to frantically do all it at once and accidentally spray the blow.  

Hate when that happens

[South Austin 52037]

I like how he keeps calling Mateer "Rule of Law Guy."

As a general rule, the cadence of cross-examination generally flows better than direct because the examining lawyer has more control and can ask leading questions. 

I've only caught some of Buzbee's cross during my lunch break, and I have no idea if he's scoring substantive points, but he's coming off as much more crisp and polished than Hardin.

Edited September 6, 2023 by South Austin

[South Austin 52037]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Is it just me, or does Buzbee look like Mike Gundy with 20 more years of alcoholism under his belt? 

Well, since you brought up Gundy, Buzbee's cross of Mateer feels like Gundy's second half against Texas last season.

[SquishMitten 10395]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I like how he keeps calling Mateer "Rule of Law Guy."

As a general rule, the cadence of cross-examination generally flows better than direct because the examining lawyer has more control and can ask leading questions. 

I've only caught some of Buzbee's cross during my lunch break, and I have no idea if he's scoring substantive points, but he's coming off as much more crisp and polished than Hardin.

No. Not so far, at least. Buzbee is very talented at making it sound like he caught the witness in a lie when they aren't. It's a master-class in gaslighting. 

[Beau Vine 53964]

How is Hardin letting Buzbee get away with this "isn't it ironic" questioning?

Edit: Rusty finally woke up, objecting to questions about burden of proof.

Edited September 6, 2023 by Beau Vine

[South Austin 52037]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

How is Hardin letting Buzbee get away with this "isn't it ironic" questioning?

I think he was waiting for him to start quoting Alanis Morrisette, because that would have crossed the line.

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2655]

um hearsay all over the place, Rusty you gonna do something 

[Beau Vine 53964]

WHY THE FUCK is Hardin just letting Buzbee badger the guy over what his "dream job" was?

Seriously, am I missing something?

[Guest]

Went to the session this morning for a couple of hours. 

- Gallery is half empty, maybe more. Kind of weird no one seems to care given the headlines.
- The prosecution is... um, questionable. Not impressed at all. Just kind of rambling. 
- I didn't sit in on the cross-ex, but Buzbee seemed sharp in offering up objections. He also eats Altoids like it's going out of style.
- Patrick is completely lost. Buzbee objects, and if Hardin argued back, then it was overruled. If Hardin seemed to be fine with it, then it was sustained. 
 

[Horn80 6074]

Knew I’ve seen this witness before.

[Guest]

Damn, Buzbee is steamrolling this dude.

[South Austin 52037]

2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Damn, Buzbee is steamrolling this dude.

Again, I'm not sure what substantive points he's scoring, but he's clearly winning the theatrical competition so far.  He's imposing his personality on a very weak and timid witness, and using him for a bunch of talking points and sidebar comments that would be clearly objectionable in a court of law.

Maybe Hardin has a sense that Patrick won't be overruling those kinds of objections, so he's not making a fuss in the interest of showing the jury that he doesn't care much about Buzbee's questions or the testimony.

[chainsaw 9831]

15 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

um hearsay all over the place, Rusty you gonna do something 

Honestly, I think all the hearsay objections make the objecting party (Buzbee) look like they are trying to cover something up. It's smart for Rusty not to object unless he really thinks something improper is happening.

[A-Tex Devil 2444]

Putting this guy up first is like putting your 20 year old center back who came on in minute 108 of extra time up first in PKs then he misses.   It sets a bad tone and may not be recoverable.  
 

I question why people think Hardin was the right choice here.  

[chainsaw 9831]

My take is Buzbee is doing a good job making this guy seem like he sucks and had an axe to grind (which he does and he did) but none of that appears consequential to the validity of the articles of impeachment. By that I mean, it's not changing my mind about whether Nate Paul was getting special treatment (he was).

[Guest]

Just now, A-Tex Devil said:

Putting this guy up first is like putting your 20 year old center back who came on in minute 108 of extra time up first in PKs then he misses.   It sets a bad tone and may not be recoverable.  
 

I question why people think Hardin was the right choice here.  

I'm with you on this. I'd want Dave Maxwell. He's 6'6"!

But seriously, this witness just seems rough and Hardin seems rough. The biggest thing I remember is them talking about finishing questions before answering and constantly toying with microphones. 

[South Austin 52037]

1 minute ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Putting this guy up first is like putting your 20 year old center back who came on in minute 108 of extra time up first in PKs then he misses.   It sets a bad tone and may not be recoverable.  
 

I question why people think Hardin was the right choice here.  

I really hope that side pieces and Home Depot countertops are batting a strong cleanup.

[DDD Dad 14167]

"The General!"

I swear I never heard anyone use that term before Paxton.  Is that a thing?

[Brisketexan 104464]

14 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

"The General!"

I swear I never heard anyone use that term before Paxton.  Is that a thing?

Not with a "The," but yeah - regularly heard people refer to General Abbott, General Paxton.  I always thought it was silly, but it does seem to be a convention that quite a few people follow.

[Beau Vine 53964]

Rusty finally objecting to heresay, and laughing about it.  

[SydneyCarton 47809]

16 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

"The General!"

I swear I never heard anyone use that term before Paxton.  Is that a thing?

While this was the first thing that popped into my head, the second image is what makes the mose sense:

 

[YGIFS 19449]

I loved that show and that car as a kid.  But I was today year's old when I learned that it was just Bo's car, and Luke was along for the ride.  I mean, Luke did drive the car plenty of times.  But I just assumed they bought and maintained it together until such time one of them could bed Daisy in the non-existent backseat.  

But yeah, nobody has ever called any AG "The General", just 'General So-and-So' and even then, it usually stops after the first or second moment of exchanges.  

However, I know a physician in the suburbs of Austin that insists on being called "The Doctor of Neighborhood", to each his own...

[SquishMitten 10395]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Damn, Buzbee is steamrolling this dude.

I'm still a good bit behind, but I don't agree at all. I think Buzbee is flailing around with theatrics while the witness is handling the questioning just fine. I mentioned gas-lighting earlier, and Buzbee is excellent at it. Don't let that fool you

[DDD Dad 14167]

https://formsofaddress.info/attorney_general/#General_Attorney_General

Quote

To me it seems addressing an attorney general as ‘General (Name)’ is an internal practice within the legal profession. It makes sense in the context of a courtroom to identify the role of an attorney general in a way to separate him from others addressed  ‘Mr.’.  But outside the courtroom when (as happens in DC pretty often) there are Army, Marine Corp, and Air Force Generals in the room – addressing an attorney general as ‘General (Name)’ make no sense.

Further among the range of offices with ‘general duties’ … solicitor general, surgeon general, inspector general …. None are ever addressed as ‘General (Name)’

Lastly, the plural of attorney general in the dictionary is not ‘attorney generals’ but is ‘attorneys general’ … emphasizing the office is an ‘attorney’, and ‘general’ is an adjective describing the attorney with a broad range of duties for the state.  Thus, there is no way they would be generals.

[SydneyCarton 47809]

2 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

I'm still a good bit behind, but I don't agree at all. I think Buzbee is flailing around with theatrics while the witness is handling the questioning just fine. I mentioned gas-lighting earlier, and Buzbee is excellent at it. Don't let that fool you

If it's working to some on here, imagine how well it's working on the simpletons this state has elected to the senate. 

[South Austin 52037]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

If it's working to some on here, imagine how well it's working on the simpletons this state has elected to the senate. 

If it's a matter of politics over the rule of law, it don't make a shit whose lawyering is more effective with the "jurors."  They made up their minds before these proceedings started, and neither Hardin nor Buzbee will change them. 

[chainsaw 9831]

someone loaned this guy a spine at lunch

[SydneyCarton 47809]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

If it's a matter of politics over the rule of law, it don't make a shit whose lawyering is more effective with the "jurors."  They made up their minds before these proceedings started, and neither Hardin nor Buzbee will change them. 

Yeah, but now they'll feel really good and jusified about their decisions when they dismiss Paxton. 

[A-Tex Devil 2444]

Mateer getting a little feisty now.  One time when Buzbee is saying, "You aren't answering my question..." this guy needs to respond with, "No, I'm not giving you the answer you want.."
 

 

[Brisketexan 104464]

If it's a matter of politics over the rule of law, it don't make a shit whose lawyering is more effective with the "jurors."  They made up their minds before these proceedings started, and neither Hardin nor Buzbee will change them. 

This is the only correct and necessary answer.
We’d like to pretend that impeachment is a process for determining truth and administering justice. In reality, reading skidmarks in a toilet bowl is closer to that goal than impeachment is.
Impeachment is a political process, from start to finish. The ONLY way that any current senate voted might be swayed is if public opinion (of their voters) dramatically changed during the course of the trial. Which is most unlikely.
They could have taken the vote the day before the trial started, and it would be the exact same count as the vote they’ll take at the end.

[Sawbonz 27375]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

WTF is Rusty doing?

He’s being 81 years old

[DDD Dad 14167]

Buzbee has lost his momentum.  This is turning into a clusterfuck.

[SquishMitten 10395]

Hey, Rusty just said what I said. He thinks this guy is handling Buzbee nicely as well

[Al Czervik 1228]

23 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I loved that show and that car as a kid.  But I was today year's old when I learned that it was just Bo's car, and Luke was along for the ride.  I mean, Luke did drive the car plenty of times.  But I just assumed they bought and maintained it together until such time one of them could bed Daisy in the non-existent backseat.  

But yeah, nobody has ever called any AG "The General", just 'General So-and-So' and even then, it usually stops after the first or second moment of exchanges.  

However, I know a physician in the suburbs of Austin that insists on being called "The Doctor of Neighborhood", to each his own...

I still smile whenever I hear ‘Doctor of Neighborhood’.  Halloween cometh soon and may the monkeys bite freely and without caution. 

[chainsaw 9831]

It works for juries to see the meek guy stand up to the bully. I'm seeing shades of that theme emerge here.

[Sawbonz 27375]

There are some very powerful interests that want Paxton gone. Some have shown their hand and some have not. If they don’t convict the TRP is going to have a civil war on its hands. I don’t think the House would have brought the charges if they didn’t have the votes locked up

[Guest]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

Buzbee has lost his momentum.  This is turning into a clusterfuck.

Yeah, he had momentum and they took a break. Now it's just grasping at straws.

He is good at sounding like anything the guy on the stand says is exactly what he wanted him to say. But the old adage of "a lawyer never asks a witness a question he doesn't already know the answer to" is not holding here.

"But then you went and got lunch at a steakhouse, didn't you?"
"Um, no. I'm a vegetarian."
"And that's exactly why it would make zero sense for you to go there."

[Beau Vine 53964]

Who is this guy?

 

[South Austin 52037]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Who is this guy?

 

He's in charge of the styrofoam cup supply.

[YGIFS 19449]

The guy, who after yesterday's opening statements, rushed out with his modest Senate Intern per diem to the nearest barber and said, "Gimme the Buzbee"

[Brisketexan 104464]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Who is this guy?

 

A dude who just accidentally teleported in from Burning Man.  And the only thought in his head was "man....I went to Burning Man planning to see some seriously fucked up shit....but I was NOT prepared for THIS."

[Guest]

Holy fuck Eric. Get your shit together man. 

[chainsaw 9831]

haha he was about to call him "Mr. Counsel"

[South Austin 52037]

Hardin just strenuously objected!