Project 2025- Cadres Decide Everything!

[956 Worldwide 34715]

For those of you not close to @Brisketexan on the ledge, I invite you to explore the massive Heritage sponsored Project 2025:

https://www.project2025.org

Many astute observers noted that despite clear autocratic tendencies, the DJT admin was hamstrung as much by its own incompetence and inability to manage as it was by the resilience of our democratic institutions and processes. 
 

Heritage says “I got you fam.” Note that this is a roadmap for any new GOP admin. I invite you to explore their clear and well-thought out roadmap to politicize the federal bureaucracy; ideologically mobilize the defense, intelligence, security, and foreign policy apparatus; propagandize domestic and overseas publicly funded media; and draft all other executive branches into solidifying GOP rule and fighting on their side of the culture wars. 
 

This is a horrifically, wonkily written handbook on how to Orbanize the United States federal government. It is not getting near enough attention, this is a clear warning sign of American authoritarianism moving from populist angry noises to ruthlessly implemented public policy. 
 

The title of this thread comes from Josef Stalin, who famously declared that “кадры решают всё” — the (personnel) cadres decide everything. The key to Communist Party rule and implementation is the proper selection and preparation of party/state functionaries along ideological lines. That extremely accurate observation should by the subtitle of this report, as it is clear preparation to eliminate non-partisan expertise and public service with ideological warriors across all levels. 
 

And if you’re into that kind of thing, they want you to express interest in a job. 

[bolverk 29672]

19 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

For those of you not close to @Brisketexan on the ledge, I invite you to explore the massive Heritage sponsored Project 2025:

https://www.project2025.org

Many astute observers noted that despite clear autocratic tendencies, the DJT admin was hamstrung as much by its own incompetence and inability to manage as it was by the resilience of our democratic institutions and processes. 
 

Heritage says “I got you fam.” Note that this is a roadmap for any new GOP admin. I invite you to explore their clear and well-thought out roadmap to politicize the federal bureaucracy; ideologically mobilize the defense, intelligence, security, and foreign policy apparatus; propagandize domestic and overseas publicly funded media; and draft all other executive branches into solidifying GOP rule and fighting on their side of the culture wars. 
 

This is a horrifically, wonkily written handbook on how to Orbanize the United States federal government. It is not getting near enough attention, this is a clear warning sign of American authoritarianism moving from populist angry noises to ruthlessly implemented public policy. 
 

The title of this thread comes from Josef Stalin, who famously declared that “кадры решают всё” — the (personnel) cadres decide everything. The key to Communist Party rule and implementation is the proper selection and preparation of party/state functionaries along ideological lines. That extremely accurate observation should by the subtitle of this report, as it is clear preparation to eliminate non-partisan expertise and public service with ideological warriors across all levels. 
 

And if you’re into that kind of thing, they want you to express interest in a job. 

 

You're right; it's not getting enough attention...at all. I posted about it back in July in the Pathetic Man thread, and Satchel also made a thread, which got a grand total of one reply. The plan essentially sets up an existential crisis for this country, and no one wants to talk about it.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by bolverk

[wildcat09 29354]

I haven't reviewed all of the details of their plan but am familiar enough with its aims and something like it has seemed like their obvious next step for years now. I said a few months ago in the Tuberville thread that he was stalling promotions in the hope that Trump would get to appoint officers who would help him carry out his next coup attempt. That's entirely consistent with this plan.  

Too many people still think the fever on the right will break. It won't. They're getting worse and will only continue to get worse. There's nobody of any substantial influence on the right trying to chart an alternate path.

[Stilicho 1397]

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."

A good portion of my second run through undergrad dealt with European politics throughout the interwar years, specifically how movements like fascism, Nazism, ultra-nationalism, and totalitarianism managed not only to gain traction, but come to be embraced by majority populations and how that in turn allowed those folks to carry out some of the most horrific crimes humanity has ever recorded. 

This stuff reads a lot like that stuff. It's not a 1:1 (it more resembles the lead up to the Spanish Civil War than 1930s Germany, imo) but it's closer than I think most ever imagined. And yeah, the danger goes beyond Trump. This roadmap is simply waiting for the next GOP winner. And at some point, there will be another GOP winner.

Short of continuing massive voter turnout and... I don't know... hyper-vigilance(?) I'm not sure how else you combat this. In Spain, the pendulum between right and left governments in short succession finally broke out in civil war when Franco and the military chose a side. In Germany, beyond all the economic factors from Versailles, the left wing went after each other (socialists v. communists) while trying to fend of the Nazis electorally. Everyone is well aware of how that plan worked out.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Stilicho

[bolverk 29672]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I haven't reviewed all of the details of their plan but am familiar enough with its aims and something like it has seemed like their obvious next step for years now. I said a few months ago in the Tuberville thread that he was stalling promotions in the hope that Trump would get to appoint officers who would help him carry out his next coup attempt. That's entirely consistent with this plan.  

Too many people still think the fever on the right will break. It won't. They're getting worse and will only continue to get worse. There's nobody of any substantial influence on the right trying to chart an alternate path.

I recall you saying that and thinking, oh shit, he's right. It's all laid out there in plain sight and I can't, for the life of me, understand why the alarm bells aren't going off. Are the Dems just too scared to be called alarmists, or are they just sleepwalking through congressional corridors? And where the fuck is the media on this? I've seen one news article on this, and that's it.

[wildcat09 29354]

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I recall you saying that and thinking, oh shit, he's right. It's all laid out there in plain sight and I can't, for the life of me, understand why the alarm bells aren't going off. Are the Dems just too scared to be called alarmists, or are they just sleepwalking through congressional corridors? And where the fuck is the media on this? I've seen one news article on this, and that's it.

The elected Dems are mostly old as shit and can't see it. Dick Durbin is still waiting for GOP blue slips before giving nominees for judicial seats a hearing for fuck's sake. As for the media, they've become so used to horse race-style political reporting they don't know why or how to report on what actual officials intend to do with power and how it might impact Americans. They can't figure out how to frame it into "how will the GOP plan to abolish American democracy impact their chances in 2024" so it's ignored.

[Brisketexan 105142]

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I haven't reviewed all of the details of their plan but am familiar enough with its aims and something like it has seemed like their obvious next step for years now. I said a few months ago in the Tuberville thread that he was stalling promotions in the hope that Trump would get to appoint officers who would help him carry out his next coup attempt. That's entirely consistent with this plan.  

Too many people still think the fever on the right will break. It won't. They're getting worse and will only continue to get worse. There's nobody of any substantial influence on the right trying to chart an alternate path.

This.

The right isn't even trying to be subtle or clever.  It's all right there, out in the open.  Again, the rule of "when someone tells you who they are, believe them."

And the bolded is the truth, and states where we are.  The American right is not a political movement to be opposed.  It is a Christofascist terrorist movement to be defeated, at all costs.  It is an existential threat (they like to use that term to describe shit like letting drag queens sing Dolly Parton songs at a local bar, which makes the issue of "existential threats" yet another example of "every accusation is a confession.")

They want to end the Republic as we know it.  They want to install an authoritarian Christofascist state, with no allowance or tolerance for any political opposition.  They are willing to bring that change about by force, ideally force applied by the very arms of government itself against the people.  They are no less a fascist terrorist movement than Al Qaeda, and because there are many more of them and they are right here among us, they are 100,000X the existential threat that Al Qaeda ever was.

Their stated, intended path ends in blood.  That path always does.  The history books don't lie about that part.

[bolverk 29672]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.

The right isn't even trying to be subtle or clever.  It's all right there, out in the open.  Again, the rule of "when someone tells you who they are, believe them."

And the bolded is the truth, and states where we are.  The American right is not a political movement to be opposed.  It is a Christofascist terrorist movement to be defeated, at all costs.  It is an existential threat (they like to use that term to describe shit like letting drag queens sing Dolly Parton songs at a local bar, which makes the issue of "existential threats" yet another example of "every accusation is a confession.")

They want to end the Republic as we know it.  They want to install an authoritarian Christofascist state, with no allowance or tolerance for any political opposition.  They are willing to bring that change about by force, ideally force applied by the very arms of government itself against the people.  They are no less a fascist terrorist movement than Al Qaeda, and because there are many more of them and they are right here among us, they are 100,000X the existential threat that Al Qaeda ever was.

Their stated, intended path ends in blood.  That path always does.  The history books don't lie about that part.

Yup

 

Adding the tweet for good measure.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by bolverk

[TwiceHorn 31472]

5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I haven't reviewed all of the details of their plan but am familiar enough with its aims and something like it has seemed like their obvious next step for years now. I said a few months ago in the Tuberville thread that he was stalling promotions in the hope that Trump would get to appoint officers who would help him carry out his next coup attempt. That's entirely consistent with this plan.  

Too many people still think the fever on the right will break. It won't. They're getting worse and will only continue to get worse. There's nobody of any substantial influence on the right trying to chart an alternate path.

Goddammit.  I think you're right.  Trumpism will break, yes.  But Heritage is a serious organization, or used to be, and reflects what serious conservatives (ie not Trump morons) think.  So, things like this, and the GOP in Texas, and Florida, and various other places are going to keep attempting this shit post-Trump.

The thing is, though, that without Trump energizing the base, and despite the utter ignorance of these plans by the electorate and willful disregard of it by the Democratic Party, they may never get enough votes to implement it.

Democrats really need to wake the fuck up.  And conservatives or whatever the fuck we are now that aren't down with the fascism need to wake the fuck up too and not vote their goddamn tax returns.  

These people want to end The United States of America as it has been known for its entire existence.  It's flawed as fuck, but a fascist dictatorship or oligarchy is not the solution.

Edited September 7, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[Incredulity 11674]

 

 

[Guest]

That side just seems so much better organized than the side of sanity.

[Brisketexan 105142]

1 minute ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

That side just seems so much better organized than the side of sanity.

A problem captured well in this documentary:

[Stilicho 1397]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

A problem captured well in this documentary:

[gmr548 16580]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

These people want to end The United States of America as it has been known for its entire existence.  It's flawed as fuck, but a fascist dictatorship or oligarchy is not the solution.

I think it's worth noting that America was founded as an oligarchy of white, protestant, landowning men and didn't move too far off of that for 150 years; and that motivates these people.

[TwiceHorn 31472]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I think it's worth noting that America was founded as an oligarchy of white, protestant, landowning men and didn't move too far off of that for 150 years; and that motivates these people.

The world was pretty much an oligarchy of white landowning men at that time, at least the prosperous western world.

That doesn't change the fact that the premise of the nation was revolutionary at the time and remains worth preserving.

[Stilicho 1397]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

The world was pretty much an oligarchy of white landowning men at that time, at least the prosperous western world.

That doesn't change the fact that the premise of the nation was revolutionary at the time and remains worth preserving.

I've always looked at this as the goal. The words were written by folks that obviously didn't fully embrace them, but that's what we're supposed to be doing: working to try and match those words with reality. The words, not Thomas Jefferson's itinerary, are supposed to be the destination. 

[pyrohornIII 4814]

I don't think good is dumb.   It just has this natural tendency to believe the best in people.  It's a lot like Trump getting elected, no one thought it was really possible until it happened.   Trump wasn't lying until he was.  Q-Anon was a small group of conspiracy nuts, until they weren't.  People look at this stuff and think there's no way this happens, especially when so much of what they are doing runs counter to what has been engrained in them as a Christian ethos.  None of this fits with that.  But they hear "christians" and assume that whoever uses that label is harmless.   

 

Dumb might be the right word.  But when you tolerate others and their points of view, no matter how different from yours, that's more patriotic than dumb.  To let it get this far, to let these people keep building their machines, to not vote them out, that IS dumb, or apathetic.   

[Brisketexan 105142]

5 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I don't think good is dumb.   It just has this natural tendency to believe the best in people.  It's a lot like Trump getting elected, no one thought it was really possible until it happened.   Trump wasn't lying until he was.  Q-Anon was a small group of conspiracy nuts, until they weren't.  People look at this stuff and think there's no way this happens, especially when so much of what they are doing runs counter to what has been engrained in them as a Christian ethos.  None of this fits with that.  But they hear "christians" and assume that whoever uses that label is harmless.   

 

Dumb might be the right word.  But when you tolerate others and their points of view, no matter how different from yours, that's more patriotic than dumb.  To let it get this far, to let these people keep building their machines, to not vote them out, that IS dumb, or apathetic.   

You started out not getting it, then you did.

Believing the best in people is flat-out dumb.  Evil is real.  History books would be fucking empty if we tore out all the pages covering the evil that men do.  Bet that evil will happen.  You'll be right WAY more often than you're wrong.

"Different points of view" are "I think that we should build roads with tax dollars" vs. "no, I think they should be tolled."  The points of view these fuckers are espousing?  Those aren't differences of opinion.  They are expressly stated to ELIMINATE all other points of view, or at least the ability of people with those other points of view to have a say, a voice, a vote, and maybe even to continue to live here.  It's totalitarian bullshit, and if push comes to shove, its proponents should be shot, because if they win, that's the only fucking way you'll ever have a voice again.

[956 Worldwide 34715]

Good isn’t dumb. Good is fair. 
 

The fundamental flaw is this- one side believes that playing fair is more important than winning and the other side believes that cheating is justified if you win. 
 

There’s not a good way to reconcile those views and things break once one side decides on the latter. You can’t force them back into the fold. 

[gmr548 16580]

The world was pretty much an oligarchy of white landowning men at that time, at least the prosperous western world.
That doesn't change the fact that the premise of the nation was revolutionary at the time and remains worth preserving.

Right, and you have similar movements in other Western nations.

I’m saying they don’t want to end the United States as it has been known for most of its existence. They want to return it to what they believe it was founded as and existed as for much of its history. And there is some degree of truth there. They can sugar coat that message and sell it to the (mostly white) masses.

[TwiceHorn 31472]

11 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Right, and you have similar movements in other Western nations.

I’m saying they don’t want to end the United States as it has been known for most of its existence. They want to return it to what they believe it was founded as and existed as for much of its history. And there is some degree of truth there. They can sugar coat that message and sell it to the (mostly white) masses.

I know.  You're right.  Or maybe even take it to a point before the US existed.

Still, I think it's worth remembering that as flawed as this country has been since it's inception, it has still been a remarkable "experiment" that has changed the world for the better.  We should keep it going.

 

[Captainant 27669]

13 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Good isn’t dumb. Good is fair. 
 

The fundamental flaw is this- one side believes that playing fair is more important than winning and the other side believes that cheating is justified if you win. 
 

There’s not a good way to reconcile those views and things break once one side decides on the latter. You can’t force them back into the fold. 

It's the same dynamic as the intolerance paradox, in which those who are perfectly tolerant will find themselves shouted down and silenced by the intolerant. We cannot let fascist tactics continue to be so effective in our rhetoric. When someone fucking lies or spreads disinformation we MUST call them out on it. No matter where we are or what that fascists title or name is. 

Quietly sitting on our hands as our freedoms and rights are stripped back under christofascist and ultranationalist movements is simply letting the fascists win. They will never give the other side a turn. They want to eliminate the other side. It's not a dialogue, it's a fucking war. 

[Mole 4333]

Has anyone read much of their document?  I short circuited on page 1 of chapter 1. The fire hose of lies and angry buzzwords that don’t really mean anything are a lot to take in. Maybe page 2 digs up the bar for intellectual honesty, but I anticipate a difficult read.

[Captainant 27669]

16 minutes ago, Mole said:

Has anyone read much of their document?  I short circuited on page 1 of chapter 1. The fire hose of lies and angry buzzwords that don’t really mean anything are a lot to take in. Maybe page 2 digs up the bar for intellectual honesty, but I anticipate a difficult read.

Tbh I may throw it at a large language model and ask it to summarize lol