Game Thread 2023 Texas @ Alabama - 6pm on ESPN

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58 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

As a combo, I’ll take Beck and Humphrey over Sanders and Whitt. Sanders can be a liability in the run game. Beck was knocking fools down and is still in the NFL. And Humphrey was an elite slot and able blocker there.

And regarding our current group of receivers, I’ll take the 2018 group. They were reliable and pretty dominant. They got open, caught balls, and put up big numbers. In the Tom Herman passing game and with Ehlinger at QB.

And although 2018 Duvernay was not yet the 2019 version, Worthy has a long way to go to approach elite level where he consistently gets open, has some sort of catch radius, and holds onto the ball when he does track passes. He’ll be a slot receiver in the NFL. If he doesnt get more consistent and prove himself, he’ll be a Day 2 pick.

While they came through last week, it was another game where Texas receivers were outplayed by their counterparts. Thats been pretty consistent against decent competition since Duvernay left.

The game was 5 days ago.  You’re not celebrating anymore, you just have a drinking problem.  

[Longhornlove 4779]

12 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I think it looks more complete because we are finishing the pressure instead of coming up short. We only had like 27-28 sacks last year while being number 2 in pressures. This year through two games we already have 7 sacks, couple that with only getting 14 turnovers last year and having 5 through two games. It’s going to be a much better defense with fewer holes. 
 

 

Don’t forget Mo Blackwell is about to return and that means less Jett bush. So defense likely will get a little better. Derrick Williams and the younger players improving as the season goes will allow us to be a fresh defense. 

I know Jett is an easy target but that guy has been far from a weak link on this defense. If they didn't trust him, do you really think he would be playing significant snaps against Alabama?

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10 hours ago, SDG said:

This one?

 

[BurntOrange&White 39566]

1 minute ago, Longhornlove said:

I know Jett is an easy target but that guy has been far from a weak link on this defense. If they didn't trust him, do you really think he would be playing significant snaps against Alabama?

My disdain for white walk ons getting playing time supersedes my realistic answer here. 

[lilMAC25 3777]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

As a combo, I’ll take Beck and Humphrey over Sanders and Whitt. Sanders can be a liability in the run game. Beck was knocking fools down and is still in the NFL. And Humphrey was an elite slot and able blocker there.

And regarding our current group of receivers, I’ll take the 2018 group. They were reliable and pretty dominant. They got open, caught balls, and put up big numbers. In the Tom Herman passing game and with Ehlinger at QB.

And although 2018 Duvernay was not yet the 2019 version, Worthy has a long way to go to approach elite level where he consistently gets open, has some sort of catch radius, and holds onto the ball when he does track passes. He’ll be a slot receiver in the NFL. If he doesnt get more consistent and prove himself, he’ll be a Day 2 pick.

While they came through last week, it was another game where Texas receivers were outplayed by their counterparts. Thats been pretty consistent against decent competition since Duvernay left.

[Herbie Hancock 7303]

I deal with dumb shit for a living. So it's not very often I can say with certainty that before 8am I've already seen the absolute dumbest shit I will see for the entire day, but ol' Eskimo woke up this morning and said hold my crack pipe.

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2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

While they came through last week, it was another game where Texas receivers were outplayed by their counterparts.

[Reynolds Woodcock 4658]

2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

As a combo, I’ll take Beck and Humphrey over Sanders and Whitt. Sanders can be a liability in the run game. Beck was knocking fools down and is still in the NFL. And Humphrey was an elite slot and able blocker there.

And regarding our current group of receivers, I’ll take the 2018 group. They were reliable and pretty dominant. They got open, caught balls, and put up big numbers. In the Tom Herman passing game and with Ehlinger at QB.

And although 2018 Duvernay was not yet the 2019 version, Worthy has a long way to go to approach elite level where he consistently gets open, has some sort of catch radius, and holds onto the ball when he does track passes. He’ll be a slot receiver in the NFL. If he doesnt get more consistent and prove himself, he’ll be a Day 2 pick.

While they came through last week, it was another game where Texas receivers were outplayed by their counterparts. Thats been pretty consistent against decent competition since Duvernay left.

I don’t think your receiver take is that crazy (Duvernay in particular), but I can’t fuck with your tight end take. JT is our best tight end since at least Jermichael.

[BurntOrange&White 39566]

1 minute ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

I don’t think your receiver take is that crazy (Duvernay in particular), but I can’t fuck with your tight end take. JT is our best tight end since at least Jermichael.

Xavier is arguably a top 3 WR in program history. JT > Beck and it's not particularly close....as you stated above. 

 

[Longhornlove 4779]

57 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My disdain for white walk ons getting playing time supersedes my realistic answer here. 

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56 minutes ago, Longhornlove said:

I know Jett is an easy target but that guy has been far from a weak link on this defense. If they didn't trust him, do you really think he would be playing significant snaps against Alabama?

I agree. Everyone has PTSD from him starting at defensive end. He's a pretty good linebacker coming off the bench.

[Cairn Horn88 8162]

Looks like Paul lost a bet:

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

I uploaded some gifs onto Giphy 

 

[gsoda3 3234]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Xavier is arguably a top 3 WR in program history. 
 

what.  roy, ship, mcgarity, mike adams, kwame, bj johnson, limas, devin.  off the top of my head.  

Edited September 14, 2023 by gsoda3
forgot quan!

[Red Five 40627]

2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

what.  roy, ship, adams, mcgarity, mike adams, kwame, bj johnson, limas, devin.  off the top of my head.  

And X is better than most of them. 

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8 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Looks like Paul lost a bet:

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

And X is better than most of them. 

Not better than Roy or Shipley, so that cuts down the margin for top 3. McGarity and Adams are right there. 

In an alternate universe, Lam Jones gets to play in Sarkisian’s system and it wouldn’t go well for defenses. Metcalf wasn’t a receiver, per se, but could you imagine what Sarkisian would have done with him? 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Doc Daneeka

[Braff Zacklin 13406]

This implied disrespect to the Quan will not stand.

[BurntOrange&White 39566]

6 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

what.  roy, ship, mcgarity, mike adams, kwame, bj johnson, limas, devin.  off the top of my head.  

Just two games into his junior season Worthy is already

Second most receptions in a single game(14) behind Shipley(15)
12th in receiving yards in a career, with 10 yards he passes Limas in this category for 11th and if his current pace for the season continues and he's healthy will finish top 5 in career in just 3 seasons.
Second in receiving touchdowns in a season(12) behind Shipley(13)
Third All time in receiving touchdowns(21) behind Roy(36) and Shipley(33)
11th in receptions for a career(134) - If he gets to his 61 catch average this season that will push him past BJ, Kwame, Mike Adams, Duverney, and Collin Johnson. 


 

[Valmy77 13093]

12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

And X is better than most of them. 

Better at what? Not at catching footballs.

Now granted maybe some of those guys actually dropped more passes than I remember. It has been awhile.

 

[Valmy77 13093]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just two games into his junior season Worthy is already

Second most receptions in a single game(14) behind Shipley(15)
12th in receiving yards in a career, with 10 yards he passes Limas in this category for 11th and if his current pace for the season continues and he's healthy will finish top 5 in career in just 3 seasons.
Second in receiving touchdowns in a season(12) behind Shipley(13)
Third All time in receiving touchdowns(21) behind Roy(36) and Shipley(33)
11th in receptions for a career(134) - If he gets to his 61 catch average this season that will push him past BJ, Kwame, Mike Adams, Duverney, and Collin Johnson. 


 

Well ok I stand corrected. It doesn't feel like he is as dominant as those guys but numbers don't lie. 

I just don't remember seeing the ball head towards Roy or BJ and thinking "shit I hope he doesn't drop it" the way I do with X.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Valmy77

[Pam Cummings 9560]

Lulz at Collin Johnson being mentioned in this discussion

 

Edited: ok BJ Johnson. Much more understandable. Played before my time.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Pam Cummings

[BurntOrange&White 39566]

2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Well ok I stand corrected. It doesn't feel like he is as dominant as those guys but numbers don't lie. 

I just don't remember seeing the ball head towards Roy or BJ and thinking "shit I hope he doesn't drop it" the way I do with X.

I have Shipley as the best receiver in program history because in big games Shipley showed up....Roy's OU games are a big negative.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10138]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just two games into his junior season Worthy is already

Second most receptions in a single game(14) behind Shipley(15)
12th in receiving yards in a career, with 10 yards he passes Limas in this category for 11th and if his current pace for the season continues and he's healthy will finish top 5 in career in just 3 seasons.
Second in receiving touchdowns in a season(12) behind Shipley(13)
Third All time in receiving touchdowns(21) behind Roy(36) and Shipley(33)
11th in receptions for a career(134) - If he gets to his 61 catch average this season that will push him past BJ, Kwame, Mike Adams, Duverney, and Collin Johnson. 


 

Are we going to at least asterisk the guys who played under Greg Davis if looking at stats?  Different times and OCs muddy the waters for sure.

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just two games into his junior season Worthy is already

Second most receptions in a single game(14) behind Shipley(15)
12th in receiving yards in a career, with 10 yards he passes Limas in this category for 11th and if his current pace for the season continues and he's healthy will finish top 5 in career in just 3 seasons.
Second in receiving touchdowns in a season(12) behind Shipley(13)
Third All time in receiving touchdowns(21) behind Roy(36) and Shipley(33)
11th in receptions for a career(134) - If he gets to his 61 catch average this season that will push him past BJ, Kwame, Mike Adams, Duverney, and Collin Johnson. 


 

Imagine if he didn’t drop so damn many

[USNALonghorn 5024]

4 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Saying you'd take the 2018 Texas receivers and TE over the 2023 Texas receivers and TE is, uh, certainly something.

I’d take the 2019 version of Duvernay over Worthy based on the reliability argument. I can imagine DD being even more dangerous in Sark’s offense.
 

I would NOT take anyone over AD Mitchell and wouldn’t even consider Beck over Sanders. 

[UTEE97 3429]

11 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Well ok I stand corrected. It doesn't feel like he is as dominant as those guys but numbers don't lie. 

I just don't remember seeing the ball head towards Roy or BJ and thinking "shit I hope he doesn't drop it" the way I do with X.

This is where I stand as well. When you think about those great receivers that played here, you don't think about drops. Shipley and Duvernay were probably two of the most sure handed pass catchers we have had in recent memory.  With Worthy, I hold my breath every time there is a slightly difficult catch that needs to be made. He can do some damage if he catches the ball though.

Edited September 14, 2023 by UTEE97

[gsoda3 3234]

24 minutes ago, Red Five said:

And X is better than most of them. 

which of those 6 is X better than? 

[JBJ 3648]

I remember a thread about Duvernay having too many drops.  He had 0 career drops when it was created.

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

7 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Are we going to at least asterisk the guys who played under Greg Davis if looking at stats?  Different times and OCs muddy the waters for sure.

Roy got all those stats and half of his catches were unblocked hitch screens 2 yards behind the LOS

[gsoda3 3234]

1 minute ago, UTEE97 said:

This is where I stand as well. When you think about those great receivers that played here, you don't think about drops. Shipley and Duvernay were probably two of the most sure handed pass catchers we have had in recent memory. 

same.  if anything someone like limas sweed's stock is boosted by a greater factor than it oughtta be for clutch catches.

[gsoda3 3234]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Roy got all those stats and half of his catches were unblocked hitch screens 2 yards behind the LOS

i'll say this:  roy, bj, sloan, montrell flowers, shanahan... they all got a lot better at blocking.

[Red Five 40627]

3 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

which of those 6 is X better than? 

Not Roy or Shipley. Duvernay is probably a push. Definitely over Sweed and McGarity. Probably Adams but that's fairly close too.

[bernorange 8348]

22 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

This implied disrespect to the Quan will not stand.

If the ball was thrown to Quan, he was going to catch it.  That's how I remember it anyway.  Dude was clutch.

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

1 minute ago, bernorange said:

If the ball was thrown to Quan, he was going to catch it.  That's how I remember it anyway.  Dude was clutch.

And whatever poor soul had to tackle him was going to feel it the next day. One of my favorites even before his game against USC.

[Handcruser 2805]

This offensive line isn’t as good as the 2014 unit.

-eskimohorn.

[gsoda3 3234]

7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Not Roy or Shipley. Duvernay is probably a push. Definitely over Sweed and McGarity. Probably Adams but that's fairly close too.

limas and mcgarity maybe.  i can't rate X over devin.  devin was so dependable and he was 100% all the time, which are the two knocks against X.  X has that deep threat that's so rare but the drops and lack of effort are huge downsides.

Edited September 14, 2023 by gsoda3
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[Red Five 40627]

3 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

limas and mcgarity maybe.  i can't rate X over devin.  devin was so dependable and he was 100% all the time, which are the two knocks against X.  X has that deep threat that's so rare but the drops and lack of effort are huge downsides.

I forgot BJ Johnson (mom joke). Definitely put X over him. 

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[TrashMaster G 17385]

4 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Saying you'd take the 2018 Texas receivers and TE over the 2023 Texas receivers and TE is, uh, certainly something.

Dumb is the word you're looking for.

[Pam Cummings 9560]

13 minutes ago, bernorange said:

If the ball was thrown to Quan, he was going to catch it.  That's how I remember it anyway.  Dude was clutch.

Yep he had great hands here. It was crazy to me that he got to the NFL and forgot how to catch.

[WinningIsHard 4016]

52 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I uploaded some gifs onto Giphy 

 

[Butch Had Not 2940]

Cash twins over all. Fight me. 

[C-Man 27029]

50 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I have Shipley as the best receiver in program history because in big games Shipley showed up....Roy's OU games are a big negative.

Roy would look better today if he'd had better coaching at Texas -- Mack/GDGD (sorta) figured it out right after he left for the NFL. He was here for Mack's prime "pussy" years.

[Valmy77 13093]

13 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

Cash twins over all. Fight me. 

Poor bastards played when all the passing records for Texas were still held by Bobby Layne.

[Braff Zacklin 13406]

1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

Poor bastards played when all the passing records for Texas were still held by Bobby Layne.

Ah, yes, back in the day when a "forward pass" meant telling a lady she had nice headlights and you wanted to see them.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Braff Zacklin

[Frank Drebin 5611]

Roy playing with Colt would have been something.

[PTINS 3442]

30 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

The duality of man ...

Absolutely love the de-cleater block ..., Top 10 all time ...

and ...

what appears to be the second coming of the Phil Mickelson "Big Air" jump for joy.

[C-Man 27029]

Not sure how to rate these (other than Jordan Shipley at #1) but there are the best WR's this school has ever had:

Jordan Shipley

Quan Cosby

Devin Duvernay

LJH

Roy Williams

Kwame Cavil

Mike Adams

Honorable Mention: Xavier Worthy, Wane McGarity, BJ Johnson, Marquise Goodwin, Limas Sweed, Jaxon Shipley

We probably have a few other players in addition to Worthy who will make it on to this list before they leave the 40 Acres.

[C-Man 27029]

5 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

As a combo, I’ll take Beck and Humphrey over Sanders and Whitt. Sanders can be a liability in the run game. Beck was knocking fools down and is still in the NFL. And Humphrey was an elite slot and able blocker there.

And regarding our current group of receivers, I’ll take the 2018 group. They were reliable and pretty dominant. They got open, caught balls, and put up big numbers. In the Tom Herman passing game and with Ehlinger at QB.

And although 2018 Duvernay was not yet the 2019 version, Worthy has a long way to go to approach elite level where he consistently gets open, has some sort of catch radius, and holds onto the ball when he does track passes. He’ll be a slot receiver in the NFL. If he doesnt get more consistent and prove himself, he’ll be a Day 2 pick.

While they came through last week, it was another game where Texas receivers were outplayed by their counterparts. Thats been pretty consistent against decent competition since Duvernay left.