Dallas Cowboys Metathread - Oh No We Suck Again!

['stache 21800]

8 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

What I remember most about McCarthy's hire, was that FJJ didn't interview anybody else (or maybe one or so). In an industry/sport filled with up'n'comers, filled with innovative minds and future hall of fame coaches, that stupid fucking hillbilly hired a coach nobody else wanted without talking to any other candidates. How many fucking years of grief with this fuck who was goddamn out of fucking work - and wasn't going anywhere.

I think the hire came down to the fact that McCarthy came cheap. Seems to me that many years ago I heard an interview with Pete Carroll who interviewed with Jones, maybe when he was leaving UCLA, or thinking about it, but he said that he and Jerry had agreed to everything - set to go, but then the Cowboys came thru with an offer - an offer which Carroll said would have made him the lowest paid coach in the league. He knew right then it was time to cut bait. Jones of course ends up hiring one of those transition groups, maybe Chan Gailey or Dave Campo - complete duds.

Now everyone is talking about Bellichick, a coach who has a major losing record in the NFL in all games without Tom Brady. A coach who couldn't innovate any kind of return for New England post Brady. A coach who told his owner that Brady should be traded, that he was done. (After which, Brady goes down to Tampa and wins another Super Bowl.) I hope FJJ doesn't make the same fucking mistake he made when he hired Fat Fuck.

He likes people who have no other options, they become his yes men. Hell I'd give Bellicheck a shot, he's grumpy enough to probably ignore Jerry's nonsense, but that's precisely why he'd never be hired. Young innovative up and comers are there left and right, he doesn't want that, because they'll get too much credit if they actually make a playoff run. It's truly hopeless unless that entire family dies in a plane crash or something and the team gets auctioned off.

[dcar00 14159]

7 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

What I remember most about McCarthy's hire, was that FJJ didn't interview anybody else (or maybe one or so). In an industry/sport filled with up'n'comers, filled with innovative minds and future hall of fame coaches, that stupid fucking hillbilly hired a coach nobody else wanted without talking to any other candidates. How many fucking years of grief with this fuck who was goddamn out of fucking work - and wasn't going anywhere.

I think the hire came down to the fact that McCarthy came cheap. Seems to me that many years ago I heard an interview with Pete Carroll who interviewed with Jones, maybe when he was leaving UCLA, or thinking about it, but he said that he and Jerry had agreed to everything - set to go, but then the Cowboys came thru with an offer - an offer which Carroll said would have made him the lowest paid coach in the league. He knew right then it was time to cut bait. Jones of course ends up hiring one of those transition groups, maybe Chan Gailey or Dave Campo - complete duds.

Now everyone is talking about Bellichick, a coach who has a major losing record in the NFL in all games without Tom Brady. A coach who couldn't innovate any kind of return for New England post Brady. A coach who told his owner that Brady should be traded, that he was done. (After which, Brady goes down to Tampa and wins another Super Bowl.) I hope FJJ doesn't make the same fucking mistake he made when he hired Fat Fuck.

He can hire Carroll, Belichick without anyone batting an eye.  He will have more trouble with hiring Vrabel or Harbaugh.  It's why he hired McCarthy, no one said anything because McCarthy had won a Super Bowl.  This is the most important thing to Jerry and I think it is why he hung on to Garrett for so long.

and again.  McCarthy went to 1 Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers as his QB.  He ain't getting there with Dak.  but since we are stuck with Dak, I'd go hard after Belichick to see if he could put a D(coaches and players) together that could win a Super Bowl.  Carroll might be able to as well.  I'd be down with Harbaugh for the pure circus of it all.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

18 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

What I remember most about McCarthy's hire, was that FJJ didn't interview anybody else (or maybe one or so). In an industry/sport filled with up'n'comers, filled with innovative minds and future hall of fame coaches, that stupid fucking hillbilly hired a coach nobody else wanted without talking to any other candidates. How many fucking years of grief with this fuck who was goddamn out of fucking work - and wasn't going anywhere.

I think the hire came down to the fact that McCarthy came cheap. Seems to me that many years ago I heard an interview with Pete Carroll who interviewed with Jones, maybe when he was leaving UCLA, or thinking about it, but he said that he and Jerry had agreed to everything - set to go, but then the Cowboys came thru with an offer - an offer which Carroll said would have made him the lowest paid coach in the league. He knew right then it was time to cut bait. Jones of course ends up hiring one of those transition groups, maybe Chan Gailey or Dave Campo - complete duds.

Now everyone is talking about Bellichick, a coach who has a major losing record in the NFL in all games without Tom Brady. A coach who couldn't innovate any kind of return for New England post Brady. A coach who told his owner that Brady should be traded, that he was done. (After which, Brady goes down to Tampa and wins another Super Bowl.) I hope FJJ doesn't make the same fucking mistake he made when he hired Fat Fuck.

I think that much like his draft strategy, the only way Jerry knows how to make it clear that he’s the genius in charge is to choose someone that nobody else would choose.  Essentially wildcatting coaches and players. 
 

but you can’t be lucky enough to wildcat an entire football roster and operation and be good enough to win like he wants to win.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

 

[TreatyOak 16311]

As I'm not a Cowboy's fan, I have to give them a giant thank you for providing us three of the funniest playoff losses of all time, and they occurred three years in a row!  

• Two years ago: The infamous, "who spots the ball/time waits for no one/Marx Brothers ending collapse"
   
• One year ago: The "Immaculate deception/trick play/Ezekiel Elliott/butt dumble ending tragi-comedy"
   
• This year: The "Apocalypse Wow/Extinction Level Event massacre"
   

 

[markstanco 12572]

3 hours ago, DougO said:

This is fact. The myth that Jerry is only interested in making money is false. He wants to win more than anyone, for his own ego. He just doesn't have a clue how to get it done. So at least he's got his money.

You are the fan that jerry loves!!!!!

[Nueces River Rat 5537]

5 hours ago, DougO said:

This is fact. The myth that Jerry is only interested in making money is false. He wants to win more than anyone, for his own ego. He just doesn't have a clue how to get it done. So at least he's got his money.

[Dbeasy 15042]

I got rid of my emotional connection to the Cowboys several years ago once I realized a bunch of moron hillbillies were in charge. Wins or losses have minimal impact on me.

When they hired McCarthy I thought for sure he was just another rube. Three straight 12 win seasons says he’s not a total idiot, but the post season performances show he’s nothing special. He’s losing with pretty good talent. 

Dak is a great QB when there’s not much pressure. He’s a terrible QB with pressure. There are fifty QB’s out there with a similar profile. 

The only move that would hold any interest for me is hiring Harbaugh. That dude would bring the toughness the franchise needs.  Short of that happening, I may not even watch games anymore. 

[Gucci_Suit 2643]

It’s interesting to watch the Steelers and just the difference in the organizations. 

They were down big to start, but their defense stepped up, didn’t commit penalties, and had some pride. 

Completely the opposite of the Cows. Just such a difference in cultures. If Dallas doesn’t get out to an easy lead, they kinda just stop doing work and they pout. 

Pitt will probably lose, but have to respect how they care to fight. 
 

Edit: also, fuck the Steelers. 

Edited January 16 by Gucci_Suit
Fuck them

[markstanco 12572]

6 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

It’s interesting to watch the Steelers and just the difference in the organizations. 

They were down big to start, but their defense stepped up, didn’t commit penalties, and had some pride. 

Completely the opposite of the Cows. Just such a difference in cultures. If Dallas doesn’t get out to an easy lead, they kinda just stop doing work and they pout. 

Pitt will probably lose, but have to respect how they care to fight. 

3 coaches since 1969 says a lot as well.  

[Ricky Butler 2683]

7 minutes ago, Gucci_Suit said:

It’s interesting to watch the Steelers and just the difference in the organizations. 

They were down big to start, but their defense stepped up, didn’t commit penalties, and had some pride. 

Completely the opposite of the Cows. Just such a difference in cultures. If Dallas doesn’t get out to an easy lead, they kinda just stop doing work and they pout. 

Pitt will probably lose, but have to respect how they care to fight. 

lol. 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1359]

[WithoutAClue 15341]

[statsman 5456]

I get that Dak’s contract is a huge burden. It’s “no trade” and “no franchise tag”. To sign Lamb and Parsons, they’re going to have to extend him (and pay him more) to make room under the cap. 

If they wanted to rebuild, they’d like to start by trading Dak, but he is in charge on this. 
 
Question- can they tank? Can they just not pour money into new salaries? Can they trade other players for draft picks? Can they let the OL get so bad that Dak wants them to trade him?

I know Jones wants to win now, but all he is setting up now is a series of disappointments like this year. Would tanking let them get out of this?

[Radical Larry 28566]

[Beau Vine 54208]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's the greatest thing I've ever seen!

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

8 hours ago, 'stache said:

Fucking Greg Olson was telestrating how their defense was different than normal with the two high safeties clogging the middle. So to get Lamb going, he calls a fucking slant right into traffic, pick 6. Dak should have held on to that ball, but at some point, when everyone is covered every play, you have to make a throw. If he takes a sack or throws it away, fans yell that he sucks for not throwing it, without considering that nobody is fucking open because McCarthy got owned and can’t adjust. If I were Dak, I’d beg for a trade.

Ain't no one trading for an average QB making $59M next year.

[Zeus 6015]

8 hours ago, 'stache said:

Fucking Greg Olson was telestrating how their defense was different than normal with the two high safeties clogging the middle. So to get Lamb going, he calls a fucking slant right into traffic, pick 6. Dak should have held on to that ball, but at some point, when everyone is covered every play, you have to make a throw. If he takes a sack or throws it away, fans yell that he sucks for not throwing it, without considering that nobody is fucking open because McCarthy got owned and can’t adjust. If I were Dak, I’d beg for a trade.

Dak sucks dude. 
 

He just throws strait into coverage if that’s the play. McCarthy sucks too don’t get me wrong. 

Baker fucking mayfield and some guy named Dave Canales are just dog walking philly right now. 
 

next week the 49rs offense is going to have the backup qb in by halfway though the 4th against GB defense. It’s going to be a tune up game. 

[tx 3 putt 76874]

 

[dcar00 14159]

the good news is we can all watch the Big 12 Champ game replay which will be on LHN every day for the next 8 months.

[TrashMaster G 17550]

10 hours ago, Texzilla58 said:

The tickets get sold. The real estate continues to appreciate. The TV money comes rolling in. Jerry rescued this franchise from the gotterdamerung it was headed to with latter Murchison and Bum Bright.

He is not the only the field shitting, Dak was. He wasn’t fucking up, parsons was. He doesn’t call plays.

He has a personnel staff with his son and will McCain with 9 fucking pro bowlers, a top qb, a top WR, talented o linemen, which performed in season. Got a 2 seed. Shit the bed again. Jerry had nothing to do with that. That’s on Mike, Quinn, the position coaches, and the team leaders. It’s not working. Jerry needs to realize it’s endemic in the culture going back to Wade. And he’s an enabler of it. His attitude, his lack of accountability for players, the poshness of the Star. Softness.

Id like to see a driver like vrabel and a new qb, a top Qb coach, a dc focused on the modern game.

Counterpoint: Almost 30 years of ineptitude and there is ONE common factor.

It ain't Dak.

It ain't McCarthy.

It ain't Quinn.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

the good news is we can all watch the Big 12 Champ game replay which will be on LHN every day for the next 8 months.

Uh 8 months?

[Tired Horn 738]

11 hours ago, DougO said:

This is fact. The myth that Jerry is only interested in making money is false. He wants to win more than anyone, for his own ego. He just doesn't have a clue how to get it done. So at least he's got his money.

I don't think that's actually true. It's close, but it's missing one thing.

Jerry wants to win more than anyone so long as he can take the credit for it. He doesn't want to win a Super Bowl if the price is a coach who can take a substantial part of the credit. And that's why we're stuck in Groundhog Day. It all comes back to Jerry's malign influence. In their best playoff losses, they're just that critical bit off, like a person with an abnormal heartbeat. In their worst playoff losses, they have no heart or real work ethic. 

After three decades of Jerry's World, all you can really do is just laugh it off.  

[Pam Cummings 9639]

5 hours ago, Tired Horn said:

I don't think that's actually true. It's close, but it's missing one thing.

Jerry wants to win more than anyone so long as he can take the credit for it. He doesn't want to win a Super Bowl if the price is a coach who can take a substantial part of the credit. And that's why we're stuck in Groundhog Day. It all comes back to Jerry's malign influence. In their best playoff losses, they're just that critical bit off, like a person with an abnormal heartbeat. In their worst playoff losses, they have no heart or real work ethic. 

After three decades of Jerry's World, all you can really do is just laugh it off.  

When all the other teams lost, did their owner even talk about it publicly? Nope.

 

When the Cowboys lost, every camera and microphone was pointed in Jones direction.

 

The circus has just become so normalized that we don't even point out the obvious absurd shit anymore.

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

 

 

[tokamak 6395]

What's confounding to me is that Jerry made his money wildcatting. He has a reputation as a very good businessman. You'd think a guy with that profile would be accustomed to pushing his chips all in and taking big swings. But he's consistently shown himself to be extremely risk-averse in his management of the team. Safe coaching choices like Garrett and McCarthy and letting them hang on too long because the team is posting decent regular season records. Perpetually kicking the contract can down the road for his favorite players instead of making the hard decision. Where's the sense of ruthlessness?

This is what happens when you have an entire organization in service to one person's ego.

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

23 minutes ago, tokamak said:

What's confounding to me is that Jerry made his money wildcatting. He has a reputation as a very good businessman. You'd think a guy with that profile would be accustomed to pushing his chips all in and taking big swings. But he's consistently shown himself to be extremely risk-averse in his management of the team. Safe coaching choices like Garrett and McCarthy and letting them hang on too long because the team is posting decent regular season records. Perpetually kicking the contract can down the road for his favorite players instead of making the hard decision. Where's the sense of ruthlessness?

This is what happens when you have an entire organization in service to one person's ego.

A successful wildcatter told me years ago that a wildcatter needs three things to succeed:

1) Trust in his own judgment, even or especially when everyone else says he is wrong;

2) Comfort with public failure; and

3) a knack for getting access to other people’s money

Edited January 16 by Bozo_Casanova

[mdmost 43001]

It's a multifaceted shitstorm. You have a meddling owner who undermines his head coach constantly but he's not going anywhere until he heads across the rainbow bridge. You have a QB who has amazing stats in the regular season but falls apart in the playoffs that is so entangled in your cap that getting rid of him destroys your cap space but also extending him can help you financially but saddles you with him instead of being able to move on. You have a head coach who is like the QB. He possibly only won previously because of a franchise QB at the last stop. But he's also a 12 win coach every year.

I think the only real path forward is to get better on defense. Quinn needs to go regardless. If he doesn't get a head coaching position, move him out. The defense was more to blame for the loss. You seem pretty set on offense but need to retool the defense more. Maybe a new scheme will be helpful. Who knows. I don't see much hope for this franchise but it's interesting to try to figure out how to improve it. But as we've seen the pieces constantly change except for one. And maybe it all goes back to that. 

[markstanco 12572]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

 

Ive seen this somewhere before I think

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

Honestly if this team is in playoff contention come Thanksgiving and I can watch em with my family, I'm happy.

Anything else seems like a pipedream. 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

A successful wildcatter told me years ago that a wildcatter needs three things to succeed:

1) Trust in his own judgment, even or especially when everyone else says he is wrong;

2) Comfort with public failure; and

3) a knack for getting access to other people’s money

The issue with all of that is if you are a wildcatter who punches enough dry holes  because you have a lot of trust in your wrong decisions you are never to be heard from again. 
 

You own a piece of an acknowledged  monopoly it’s harder to make you go away for your shitty decisions. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

2 hours ago, markstanco said:

Ive seen this somewhere before I think

I suck, sorry

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

5 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

if you are a wildcatter who punches enough dry holes  because you have a lot of trust in your wrong decisions you are never to be heard from again. 

Sure, but what if you do well enough early on to buy the Dallas Cowboys?

[lilMAC25 3789]

[tfoolry 8202]

 

 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1359]

Per Stephen A Smith, Aaron Rodgers called McCarthy a buffoon. Per CBSSports.com

The story also states that Rodgers got tired of seeing his receivers run the same routes all the time, which only happened because McCarthy refused to change his offense. To fix things, Rodgers apparently decided to start changing the plays that McCarthy was calling on the field, which happened nearly one-third of the time. 

Basically, things got so bad that receivers weren't sure if they should run the routes that McCarthy had called or if they should run the routes that Rodgers had called. That led to an ugly situation in November involving Equanimeous St. Brown. 

The site also directs to an interesting post from Sean McGown:

 

 

 

 

[Tired Horn 738]

1 hour ago, tfoolry said:

 

 

This, in a nutshell, is your problem. Most NFL owners don't even talk after a loss. They certainly don't gather reporters around to watch them blubber nonsense like some Hemingway satire called "The Old Jackass and Yet Another Lost Football game." Almost anyone has more sense than that. But Jerry simply cannot help himself--he's a camera-seeking missile. His ability to do this is sooooo much more important to him than the fate of his team on the field, and it always will be.

 

[petscii 1189]

7 minutes ago, Tired Horn said:

This, in a nutshell, is your problem. Most NFL owners don't even talk after a loss. They certainly don't gather reporters around to watch them blubber nonsense like some Hemingway satire called "The Old Jackass and Yet Another Lost Football game." Almost anyone has more sense than that. But Jerry simply cannot help himself--he's a camera-seeking missile. His ability to do this is sooooo much more important to him than the fate of his team on the field, and it always will be.

 

Seriously, the playoffs don't even really start until the Cowboys are eliminated.... 

[tfoolry 8202]

11 minutes ago, petscii said:

Seriously, the playoffs don't even really start until the Cowboys are eliminated.... 

Surly you can’t be serious.  

[petscii 1189]

18 minutes ago, tfoolry said:

Surly you can’t be serious.  

Surliously.

[gyroprotagonist 2592]

Both sides of the ball were outcorched.  Fans in the stands were stunned and could not get into the game from the beginning.  Most had brought out the anointing oil and put Dallas in a rematch with SF in the NFC title game.  Again, something HC should be taking care of.

Would McCarthy get hired as a HC if he were let go?  

[Hate 20107]

5 hours ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Honestly if this team is in playoff contention come Thanksgiving and I can watch em with my family, I'm happy.

Anything else seems like a pipedream. 

Tell me you were born in the 90’s without telling me you were born in the 90’s.

[C-Man 27196]

1 hour ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Per Stephen A Smith, Aaron Rodgers called McCarthy a buffoon. Per CBSSports.com

The story also states that Rodgers got tired of seeing his receivers run the same routes all the time, which only happened because McCarthy refused to change his offense. To fix things, Rodgers apparently decided to start changing the plays that McCarthy was calling on the field, which happened nearly one-third of the time. 

Basically, things got so bad that receivers weren't sure if they should run the routes that McCarthy had called or if they should run the routes that Rodgers had called. That led to an ugly situation in November involving Equanimeous St. Brown. 

The site also directs to an interesting post from Sean McGown:

 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, gyroprotagonist said:

Both sides of the ball were outcorched.  Fans in the stands were stunned and could not get into the game from the beginning.  Most had brought out the anointing oil and put Dallas in a rematch with SF in the NFC title game.  Again, something HC should be taking care of.

Would McCarthy get hired as a HC if he were let go?  

I don't think he'd be in football if Jerry hadn't called him three seasons ago. I don't think anybody would hire him now either. (All that said, I'd take what Rodgers says with a grain of salt. I don't think he needs to be challenging anybody else's IQ level.)

The defense needs a serious talent infusion. Our LB's were TINY this season once LVE, who wasn't exactly Mike Singletary, was forced to retire. We don't have a run-stopper In the middle of the line. Our DB's are suspect or boom-or-bust (Bland/Diggs). Parsons either tires himself out by the end of the season or playoff teams just scheme him better. He was non-existent Sunday.

['stache 21800]

Fuk Rodgers, but everything he's saying sounds true based on what I've been bitching about for at least two years now. Dak does not suck, but I'm not going to even bother making that argument anymore, nobody hates the Cowboys QB more than Cowboys fans. I'll just say that Baker Mayfield is just the most recent example of a shitty QB that can win games with good coaching. I don't know yet if Jordan Love is any good, but he has good coaching, and anybody could have completed some of those passes when there wasn't a db within 5 yards. Even if Dak were average we'd have far more success if our dumbfuck coaches were actually coaching and finding ways to beat good defenses instead of just running the same shit over and over without midgame adjustments. Even if McCarthy is axed (the fact that we still don't know says all we need to know about Jerry's ineptitude), he'd just hire another oldhead or retread that nobody else wants and who will do the same shit. Who needs young innovative coaches who are running the league these days? Just do the same shit and hope it works. Fuck it all.

Edited January 16 by 'stache

[Quagmire 2147]

So Jerry should be dead in around 8-10 years unless he harvests more homeless people organs ?

[petscii 1189]

50 minutes ago, Quagmire said:

So Jerry should be dead in around 8-10 years unless he harvests more homeless people organs ?

Do you think Jerry Jones Jr (Steven?) is going to be an improvement?  

[dcar00 14159]

Baker Mayfield has as many playoff wins as Dak Prescott.  Which also includes a win with the Cleveland Browns, who have 5 total playoff wins since the AFL/NFL merger 54 years ago.

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

32 minutes ago, petscii said:

Do you think Jerry Jones Jr (Steven?) is going to be an improvement?  

Yes. I don’t think he will insist on being the GM, and will actually hire a football guy for that role 

[Beau Vine 54208]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

(All that said, I'd take what Rodgers says with a grain of salt. I don't think he needs to be challenging anybody else's IQ level.)

[Pam Cummings 9639]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Fuk Rodgers, but everything he's saying sounds true based on what I've been bitching about for at least two years now. Dak does not suck, but I'm not going to even bother making that argument anymore, nobody hates the Cowboys QB more than Cowboys fans. I'll just say that Baker Mayfield is just the most recent example of a shitty QB that can win games with good coaching. I don't know yet if Jordan Love is any good, but he has good coaching, and anybody could have completed some of those passes when there wasn't a db within 5 yards. Even if Dak were average we'd have far more success if our dumbfuck coaches were actually coaching and finding ways to beat good defenses instead of just running the same shit over and over without midgame adjustments. Even if McCarthy is axed (the fact that we still don't know says all we need to know about Jerry's ineptitude), he'd just hire another oldhead or retread that nobody else wants and who will do the same shit. Who needs young innovative coaches who are running the league these days? Just do the same shit and hope it works. Fuck it all.

Any coach with balls would tell Jerry to get out of the way and cut it out with all the interviews and nonsense. So thats why coaches with balls dont get hired.