Dallas Cowboys Metathread - Oh No We Suck Again!

[Fud 9522]

19 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IIRC there's also a dead money hit in 2025 if they don't re-sign Dak. Not as punitive as Russell Wilson at Denver but it's significant.

$40.4m 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/

If they couldn't extend/re-sign Dak, it probably would have made sense to pivot this current offseason and trade him for premium draft picks and eat the cap hit before Lamb/Parsons get paid 

They will most likely get a 3rd round comp for him though if they let him leave, along with this season's worth of production 

['stache 21589]

Sounds like a prove it year, but as long as fat fuck is coaching well either make the playoffs again and get overwhelmingly out coached in another playoff game, or miss the playoffs altogether. So who fucking cares. Free agency after the season and 6 wins the next year, if we’re lucky, with Lance. All in my ass. The coach sucks, no qb is gonna overcome a complete lack of game planning or adjustment.

[Vic Mackey 46716]

38 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Sounds like a prove it year, but as long as fat fuck is coaching well either make the playoffs again and get overwhelmingly out coached in another playoff game, or miss the playoffs altogether. So who fucking cares. Free agency after the season and 6 wins the next year, if we’re lucky, with Lance. All in my ass. The coach sucks, no qb is gonna overcome a complete lack of game planning or adjustment.

If you are telling your almost 10 year vet that you need to "prove it", that speaks wonders to how much they don't believe in him. Time to move on if thats the case. I'm sure the list is next to none of guys who take 9-10 years to finally get over the hump. I guess you can point to Elway but he had way more success than Dak once he finally won it all and had already been to a Super Bowl. The only one I can think of is Stafford, but it took him going to a whole new franchise and a great coach for QBs. So if that's the case, Dak won't do it here.

But those who think replacing Dak alone is going to magically cure things will have a hard dose of reality. I'm not against replacing Dak at this point but there are still so many holes to fill. OL and DL being the main ones. Those are huge areas of concern. Then their approach to drafting. Last year's class so far looks like a big bag of dog shit. 

 

[mdmost 42490]

You know this ends with Jerry overpaying Dak in the next offseason. This is the way of Jerry. I don't see how anyone can have a shred of optimism about next season. Lame duck head coach. Lame duck DC and defensive staff. Lame duck QB. And people will gladly pay good money to see this in person. 

[Vic Mackey 46716]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

You know this ends with Jerry overpaying Dak in the next offseason. This is the way of Jerry. I don't see how anyone can have a shred of optimism about next season. Lame duck head coach. Lame duck DC and defensive staff. Lame duck QB. And people will gladly pay good money to see this in person. 

I have none. I think we can dick around to the playoffs because we own Washington and NYG and can usually split Philly. Especially with the extra playoff spot these days. But in terms of actually winning in the playoffs? No hope. Only if we somehow get matched up with a shitty team like Tampa a few seasons ago. But once we face a legit team, no shot. And let's not pretend this Green Bay team was super legit. They caught fire late and were a sleeper team but weren't a contender. But we made them look like one. That was about as bad a playoff loss as I can remember. Minnesota 2009 and Detroit 1991 also come to mind. Just dominated start to finish and stood no chance. Except this one was at home. Embarrassing. 

Edited March 26 by Vic Mackey

[futureman 22353]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

The only one I can think of is Stafford, but it took him going to a whole new franchise and a great coach for QBs.

Stafford is also talented, unlike the dipshit we have.  Dak would have lost 60 straight games in Detroit.  Dak fucking sucks. 

['stache 21589]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

If you are telling your almost 10 year vet that you need to "prove it", that speaks wonders to how much they don't believe in him. Time to move on if thats the case. I'm sure the list is next to none of guys who take 9-10 years to finally get over the hump. I guess you can point to Elway but he had way more success than Dak once he finally won it all and had already been to a Super Bowl. The only one I can think of is Stafford, but it took him going to a whole new franchise and a great coach for QBs. So if that's the case, Dak won't do it here.

But those who think replacing Dak alone is going to magically cure things will have a hard dose of reality. I'm not against replacing Dak at this point but there are still so many holes to fill. OL and DL being the main ones. Those are huge areas of concern. Then their approach to drafting. Last year's class so far looks like a big bag of dog shit. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

I have none. I think we can dick around to the playoffs because we own Washington and NYG and can usually split Philly. Especially with the extra playoff spot these days. But in terms of actually winning in the playoffs? No hope. Only if we somehow get matched up with a shitty team like Tampa a few seasons ago. But once we face a legit team, no shot. And let's not pretend this Green Bay team was super legit. They caught fire late and were a sleeper team but weren't a contender. But we made them look like one. That was about as bad a playoff loss as I can remember. Minnesota 2009 and Detroit 1991 also come to mind. Just dominated start to finish and stood no chance. Except this one was at home. Embarrassing. 

I'm just sick of people blaming Dak for McCarthy's incompetence (and Garrett before him). That Green Bay game was 100% coaching. LeFleur knows how to do it, McCarthy is a fat piece of shit. Defense wasn't anywhere near their receivers. Meanwhile, our receivers are all covered, an no adjustment. Just mindboggling how a coach can be so incapable of even trying to adjust when the opponent comes out hot. The fact that McCarthy wasn't fired that evening is why this franchise is fucked, forever. The owner is fucking pathetic.

[Vic Mackey 46716]

18 minutes ago, futureman said:

Stafford is also talented, unlike the dipshit we have.  Dak would have lost 60 straight games in Detroit.  Dak fucking sucks. 

Stafford is very talented at throwing pick 6's for sure.

 

[Vic Mackey 46716]

17 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

I'm just sick of people blaming Dak for McCarthy's incompetence (and Garrett before him). That Green Bay game was 100% coaching. LeFleur knows how to do it, McCarthy is a fat piece of shit. Defense wasn't anywhere near their receivers. Meanwhile, our receivers are all covered, an no adjustment. Just mindboggling how a coach can be so incapable of even trying to adjust when the opponent comes out hot. The fact that McCarthy wasn't fired that evening is why this franchise is fucked, forever. The owner is fucking pathetic.

But fanbase will continue to only blame Dak and think it will magically change after. Remember hearing this same stuff at the end of Aikman's tenure. And we all know the black hole between Aikman and Romo. 

Not a ton of hope for Trey Lance, who couldn't even succeed in the SF QB friendly system to succeeding in our circus franchise. Good luck with that young man who has almost no QB experience at this level.

[The Dog 43483]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

If you are telling your almost 10 year vet that you need to "prove it", that speaks wonders to how much they don't believe in him. Time to move on if thats the case.

If that's the case then the smart move is to cut him or trade him with a post 6/1 designation - although the 2025 dead money hit is the same it does save Dallas $29 million in cap this year with a $26.5 million dead money hit.

again, not as punitive as Wilson with Denver but if you're going "all in" on a rebuild it's the right thing to do. 

I sure hope this is what Jerry does because there are a LOT of teams that would pay Dak for his services. 

[Braff Zacklin 13299]

On 3/25/2024 at 1:17 PM, mdmost said:

The incoherent scribblings on his Football Man notepad are impressive. GMing the hell out of this offseason

 

[futureman 22353]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

That Green Bay game was 100% coaching.

is this your attempt at comedy?

[Sgt Hulk 13537]

Seeing how we crushed it in FA 

7-9 this year at best. Dak will throw for 6500 yards though because we have no run game and always playing from behind 

[futureman 22353]

1 hour ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Seeing how we crushed it in FA 

7-9 this year at best. Dak will throw for 6500 yards though because we have no run game and always playing from behind 

dak's specialty, fluffed up garbage stats that make mouth-breathers like drew think he's elite.  we've done it for 8 goddamn years, what's another one.

[Pam Cummings 9423]

15 hours ago, mdmost said:

You know this ends with Jerry overpaying Dak in the next offseason. This is the way of Jerry. I don't see how anyone can have a shred of optimism about next season. Lame duck head coach. Lame duck DC and defensive staff. Lame duck QB. And people will gladly pay good money to see this in person. 

That would be so dumb. I don't have any faith that these idiots figure out how to win. But giving Dak a big contract and security hasn't worked. Let's see what happens when the motherfucker knows he is under real pressure to perform. And I'm not talking regular season stats. I'm talking about being a real leader in the playoffs. Not a dude throwing pick 6s and looking dejected on the sidelines doing absolutely zero to inspire or lead his teammates.

[tokamak 6324]

10 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Seeing how we crushed it in FA 

7-9 this year at best. Dak will throw for 6500 yards though because we have no run game and always playing from behind 

Well he'll also be running for his life because 40% of our starting OL is going to be guys off the street.

[Vic Mackey 46716]

Well he'll also be running for his life because 40% of our starting OL is going to be guys off the street.

Yep, OL is going to be bad. DL is also going to bad. Won't be able to run the ball or stop the run. Recipe for disaster.

[LTtxfan 48727]

19 hours ago, Fud said:

$40.4m 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/

If they couldn't extend/re-sign Dak, it probably would have made sense to pivot this current offseason and trade him for premium draft picks and eat the cap hit before Lamb/Parsons get paid 

They will most likely get a 3rd round comp for him though if they let him leave, along with this season's worth of production 

Saw Adam Schefter say dead cap hit of over $95mill for Dak that could be spread out over a few years.  I thought the $40.4mill number on Spotrac was more accurate??

[Fud 9522]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Saw Adam Schefter say dead cap hit of over $95mill for Dak that could be spread out over a few years.  I thought the $40.4mill number on Spotrac was more accurate??

I saw cowboys twitter people correcting him on his tweet 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 689]

Trey Lance is the plan.  It was written when they made the trade.

All we've heard from Dak lately was that he was skipping the probowl to prepare for the birth of his child (who wasn't born until 2 months after the probowl), a sexual assault scandal, and that they've restructured his contract to free up $5mil in cap space.  Also, remember Dak wanted this 4 year deal so he could sign a bigger 3rd contract.  The cowboys were pushing 5 years.  They'll let him walk, because Jerry thinks he's smarter than the field and he found gold with Trey.

Trey is 23 years old.  He's younger than Bo Nix and Michael Penix.

 

[Vic Mackey 46716]

Trey Lance is the plan.  It was written when they made the trade.
All we've heard from Dak lately was that he was skipping the probowl to prepare for the birth of his child (who wasn't born until 2 months after the probowl), a sexual assault scandal, and that they've restructured his contract to free up $5mil in cap space.  Also, remember Dak wanted this 4 year deal so he could sign a bigger 3rd contract.  The cowboys were pushing 5 years.  They'll let him walk, because Jerry thinks he's smarter than the field and he found gold with Trey.
Trey is 23 years old.  He's younger than Bo Nix and Michael Penix.
 

I know nothing about the draft and all these mock drafts. How likely would Penix be available at our spot? If he's there, any interest? No idea how he would compare to Lance but you'd get control of him for 5 years and would be cheaper.

[EvilCaseMcCoy 689]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

11 hours ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

Trey Lance is the plan.  It was written when they made the trade.
All we've heard from Dak lately was that he was skipping the probowl to prepare for the birth of his child (who wasn't born until 2 months after the probowl), a sexual assault scandal, and that they've restructured his contract to free up $5mil in cap space.  Also, remember Dak wanted this 4 year deal so he could sign a bigger 3rd contract.  The cowboys were pushing 5 years.  They'll let him walk, because Jerry thinks he's smarter than the field and he found gold with Trey.
Trey is 23 years old.  He's younger than Bo Nix and Michael Penix.
 

I know nothing about the draft and all these mock drafts. How likely would Penix be available at our spot? If he's there, any interest? No idea how he would compare to Lance but you'd get control of him for 5 years and would be cheaper.

You draft Penix and you're basically stating that Dak is done.  They are trying to save face and act like Dak has a chance to earn it if he wins the Super Bowl or gets close.  But really he's just a lame duck and should be demanding a trade. 

[Vic Mackey 46716]

You draft Penix and you're basically stating that Dak is done.  They are trying to save face and act like Dak has a chance to earn it if he wins the Super Bowl or gets close.  But really he's just a lame duck and should be demanding a trade. 

Them not extending Dak or Fat Mike this off-season tells me they are done with both barring some miracle season. I think they were ready to extend both this off-season until the Green Bay disaster.

[Drew 2267]

You draft Penix and you're basically stating that Dak is done.  They are trying to save face and act like Dak has a chance to earn it if he wins the Super Bowl or gets close.  But really he's just a lame duck and should be demanding a trade. 

This. Dak should not take another snap for this team.

He has a no trade clause so they should be working on a trade. It does NEITHER side any good to go through it this year.

Dak is risking injury without a contract.

And Dallas is literally letting a franchise QB walk and getting NOTHING back.

Just piss poor team management if they’re really ready to move on.

Get what you can from him.

[EvilCaseMcCoy 689]

3 hours ago, Drew said:

He has a no trade clause so they should be working on a trade. It does NEITHER side any good to go through it this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've already shopped the idea and had no bites. Look how the Russell Wilson trade turned out for Denver and the Deshaun Watson trade for Cleveland.  Minnesota got nothing for Kirk and LV got nothing for Carr. 

Now look at the $$ Baker and Cousins just got in free agency.  Thats basically the floor.  Is a team willing to give up picks AND a huge contract for Dak?  Or just wait til next year. 

The Cowboys value Dak more than the rest of the league, that was clear during the last negotiations.  If they aren't willing to commit then who else is?

[mdmost 42490]

Sweet Jesus

 

[BurntOrange&White 38889]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Sweet Jesus

 

ALL IN!

[Surly Bevo 24604]

5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Sweet Jesus

 

Jerry likes to honk a boob, Zeke likes to honk a boob.  It's kizmet.  

[gofuckyourself 8066]

Came here to see if the Zeke BS was posted.

Then I was mildly surprised there's not a "2024 Offseason thread" -- only to realize that it's perfect, including this Zeke story.

Just one continuous clusterfuck of season, offseason, drafts, hirings, rehashing the same shit and Jerry mismanaging the fuck out of this franchise yet continuously printing money off multiple generations going to games and buying merchandise.

Move to rename the thread and just leave it forever as:

20xx Dallas Ouroboros': Deja Vu All Over Again

[Surly Bevo 24604]

Renaming or starting a new thread is too much work for this dildo smack franchise.

[Texzilla588 766]

Came here to see if the Zeke BS was posted.
Then I was mildly surprised there's not a "2024 Offseason thread" -- only to realize that it's perfect, including this Zeke story.
Just one continuous clusterfuck of season, offseason, drafts, hirings, rehashing the same shit and Jerry mismanaging the fuck out of this franchise yet continuously printing money off multiple generations going to games and buying merchandise.
Move to rename the thread and just leave it forever as:
20xx Dallas Ouroboros': Deja Vu All Over Again

Zeke is done. 2420 touches and soon to be a worn out 29 years old. The nfl brick wall for RBs is 1500 touches and 27 years old.

[LTtxfan 48727]

22 hours ago, mdmost said:

Sweet Jesus

 

Zeke should pay jerruh to play for Cowboys😋  

[TexMexBuddha 984]

Came here to see if the Zeke BS was posted.
Then I was mildly surprised there's not a "2024 Offseason thread" -- only to realize that it's perfect, including this Zeke story.
Just one continuous clusterfuck of season, offseason, drafts, hirings, rehashing the same shit and Jerry mismanaging the fuck out of this franchise yet continuously printing money off multiple generations going to games and buying merchandise.
Move to rename the thread and just leave it forever as:
20xx Dallas Ouroboros': Deja Vu All Over Again

I check in once a year to say c ya next year. Lol. Never changes.

The ghosts of my Cowboys shake their damn heads...

[futureman 22353]

I still think the Dak extension is coming.  Lots of offseason left to go. 

[tokamak 6324]

Check out the Texans making moves to improve their team. Are they allowed to do that?

[Pam Cummings 9423]

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2024/04/03/mayor-eric-johnson-still-pushing-dream-of-a-dallas-based-nfl-team/

 

Fuck Jerry, I hope this happens just to screw the bitchass Jones family.

['stache 21589]

Dumb idea but I’d switch allegiances in a heartbeat if the Chiefs moved to the Cotton Bowl.

[Pam Cummings 9423]

12 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Dumb idea but I’d switch allegiances in a heartbeat if the Chiefs moved to the Cotton Bowl.

I'd switch so fucking fast it isn't funny. I'm already a closet Mahomes lover.

['stache 21589]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

I'd switch so fucking fast it isn't funny. I'm already a closet Mahomes lover.

She's alright I guess, a little too horsefaced for my taste though.

[LTtxfan 48727]

6 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

I'd switch so fucking fast it isn't funny. I'm already a closet Mahomes lover.

[RPM 26097]

On 4/4/2024 at 9:13 AM, 'stache said:

Dumb idea but I’d switch allegiances in a heartbeat if the Chiefs moved to the Cotton Bowl.

No NFL team is moving to the Cotton Bowl. They couldn't even keep the Cotton Bowl at the Cotton Bowl.

[Zeus 5890]

On 3/26/2024 at 5:38 PM, mdmost said:

You know this ends with Jerry overpaying Dak in the next offseason. This is the way of Jerry. I don't see how anyone can have a shred of optimism about next season. Lame duck head coach. Lame duck DC and defensive staff. Lame duck QB. And people will gladly pay good money to see this in person. 

They can go get Jimmy G or Kurt Cousins to backup Dak like they did with Red Rocket. 

[Zeus 5890]

OK here me out lol

Deion and son

https://www.instagram.com/p/C5KOTkRRkBX/?igsh=OW1oa2I4MWltZjR3
 

[Vic Mackey 46716]

They can go get Jimmy G or Kurt Cousins to backup Dak like they did with Red Rocket. 

Jimmy G is grade A dogshit.

[Zeus 5890]

Just now, Vic Mackey said:

17 hours ago, Zeus said:

They can go get Jimmy G or Kurt Cousins to backup Dak like they did with Red Rocket. 

Jimmy G is grade A dogshit.

Yeah lol that was the point of the post

They can fuck around more or tank and draft well

[LTtxfan 48727]

Predictable... 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/Micah-Parsons-Sign-Contract-Controversy-Reveals-Dallas-Cowboys-Dysfunction

[Bozo_Casanova 25903]

“Reveals” is a funny word there, like this situation is somehow exposing heretofore unknown dysfunction in the Dallas Cowboys front office. 

[Pam Cummings 9423]

Negotiating by trashing the guy through the media, let's see how that works out for them.

[Vic Mackey 46716]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Negotiating by trashing the guy through the media, let's see how that works out for them.

The only entity I saw reporting this was 105.3 The Fan. Is Jerry funneling this through them, since they are the flagship station? The Fan is a clownshow and operates like high school lunchroom gossip. I see PFT and NBC running with it, but the only thing they quote is the vague The Fan "report". Clarence Hill said no one of any authority has these opinions of Parsons. So not sure if Jerry and company are just dangling this out there to see how much traction this gains. And if this is really the case, who the fuck would want to sign here long term knowing the front office runs internal smear campaigns when it comes time for contract talk.

Is it Parsons platform of his podcast and how active he is on social media the issue? I do agree he's pretty corny in how he comes across on there but my biggest beef is how he disappears 3 years in a row in the playoffs. That is definitely a legit conversation to have to see if the massive contract he is about to get is really warranted. Could also be how they use him through the year, where he just runs out of gas by the end of the season. Parsons is going to get paid regardless, either from Dallas or another team. Trading Parsons immediately signals a rebuild. But wouldn't trust this front office to get full value for Parsons. Notorious for overpaying when trading for a player and getting way under market value when trading a player (see Amari Cooper). 

[General Colt 117]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Negotiating by trashing the guy through the media, let's see how that works out for them.

The Dallas Cowboys are just a punchline at this point. So glad I stopped giving a fuck about them. I still watch the games, but I expect them to choke when they hit the playoffs, and they keep delivering. I have no hope left for this shit show.